This Adobe Photoshop "expert" obviously doesn't know how a scanner works. This was discussed extensively on Reddit.

*lies

Adding video to channels (Lies) - requested by Duckman33.

Wow. Just how retarded is the presenter and the "Photoshop Expert"?

I agree... this is almost EXACTLY like Nero burning Rome!...What an obvious comparision.

But in truth... if as the host puts it... people with degrees... degrees FROM universities are saying it's a fake... thats enough for me!

Regardless of the lack of knowledge the two have. If this IS a original birth certificate than there would not be layers other that the document and the background.

I did as they said and went to link they posted This link and I was able to pull this apart. I have been around photoshop / Illustrator / Adobe products for the last 15 years

This is clearly an altered document.


Download it and open it up in illustrator

You too will realize how altered it is.

Here's a very simple explanation I found on a forum I frequent:

When you scan a document into PDF, you can use a mode which does text recognition. This will produce a document with layers. It stores the text as actual text instead of an image. This option is there because it typically generates a smaller PDF file.

In the areas where the birth certificate is near-black, Adobe's PDF-rendering engine eliminates the 8-bit RGB data and replaces it with a 1-bit layer with alpha. It's all in the interest of reducing file size

Try scanning ANY item directly into Acrobat using the twain tool, which the EXIF data shows was done. Run OCR on it, as is required by all federal and state agencies that work under the paperwork reduction act. Multiple control layers are added, as are masks for objects.

Hilarious. I do hope the Dems are purposefully messing with the teabaggers' heads. This is awesome. It is an affront to the democratic process, but still awesome.

Ha ha ha! I love it mfsteele, that is the explanation, and these guys continue to jump to a given conclusion without looking at the other possibilities. Same as 911 nut jobs, same as so many others. Thanks for the simple desc

That would be fine if you just wanted the text from the document. In this case the the document as a whole is what is of interest. Anyone with any graphic sense would scan into photoshop since the image would be a photo. This would present itself as 1 and only 1 layer.

No one would OCR scan to PDF execpt those with out photoshop. Sure the scanner will have software provided for OCR ( optical character recognition). in such case then you would und up with a plain text document with no background. According to what you wrote, then all of these TEXT areas would have to be reassembled and arranged to fit onto the green pattern background. That does not make sense. Why would anyone pull a document apart just to put it back together? The only logical way to do this is to scan into Photoshop and save as a jpeg or equivalent. To convert it ti PDF then I would open it in Illustrator and do a save as PDF.Or on a Mac just print to PDF



In the video they use Illustrator to open the document. Illustrator will open a PDF and if there were any layers then they would be available also.

Again there is no reason for this document to have this amount of adulteration that this has.


>> ^mfsteele:

Here's a very simple explanation I found on a forum I frequent:
When you scan a document into PDF, you can use a mode which does text recognition. This will produce a document with layers. It stores the text as actual text instead of an image. This option is there because it typically generates a smaller PDF file.
In the areas where the birth certificate is near-black, Adobe's PDF-rendering engine eliminates the 8-bit RGB data and replaces it with a 1-bit layer with alpha. It's all in the interest of reducing file size
Try scanning ANY item directly into Acrobat using the twain tool, which the EXIF data shows was done. Run OCR on it, as is required by all federal and state agencies that work under the paperwork reduction act. Multiple control layers are added, as are masks for objects.

"the layers are in fact a result of the 'Optimized PDF' option"
http://www.nkyvoice.com/2011/04/update-obama-live-birth-certificate.html

>> ^bobknight33:

Words words words words



What would satisfy you? You obviously weren't happy with the short form, and now that the long form has been released, you aren't happy with that. What would it take to convince you? Or are you one of those people who are just so happy to think that they have the secret information that no one else does? Don't you think that if there were a minute chance that Obama were not from this country that the Republicans would take every chance they could to find that out? Hell, they went after Clinton for lying about getting his dick sucked. Don't you think they would be all over this if they could overturn an entire election in their favor?

>> ^spoco2:

Same as 911 nut jobs, same as so many others. Thanks for the simple desc


Yup we're all the same. just like all blacks are the same, and all Asians are the same, and all Mexicans are the same, all Republicans are the same, all Democrats are the same, all Christians are the same, all Muslims are the same....

>> ^Duckman33:

>> ^spoco2:
Same as 911 nut jobs, same as so many others. Thanks for the simple desc

Yup we're all the same. just like all blacks are the same, and all Asians are the same, and all Mexicans are the same, all Republicans are the same, all Democrats are the same, all Christians are the same, all Muslims are the same....


Don't be such a bitch...just get in your box little man so I can put you on the shelf.

OMG Adobe are Terrorists?!?

I thought this was going to be some stand-up comedy or something. Does anyone still listen to these morons? Quantum? Blankfist? You guys still hot for this birtherism crap?

>> ^bobknight33:

That would be fine if you just wanted the text from the document. In this case the the document as a whole is what is of interest. Anyone with any graphic sense would scan into photoshop since the image would be a photo. This would present itself as 1 and only 1 layer.
No one would OCR scan to PDF execpt those with out photoshop. Sure the scanner will have software provided for OCR ( optical character recognition).


The problem is that you are assuming that this was done by a person with graphic sense, or with knowledge of photoshop.

If the birth certificate was simply scanned by some office worker in Hawaii, with no graphic sense and no photoshop available, and sent to the White House for publication, would that not explain the entire thing?

What's photoshop?

> What's photoshop?

To fully answer that, we need to go all the way back to Watergate scandal

Finally...to know the truth.>> ^deathcow:

> What's photoshop?
To fully answer that, we need to go all the way back to Watergate scandal

Look I never cared a rats ass about this until there was a link from a post from this site to download and see for myself. I have not said that the document is a fake. All I am saying is that it is heavily altered.

If OBAMA wanted to post a genuine scanned document then it would not have any alterations on it. So why all teh alterations? Like I said before go download ti for yourself, get a 30 day demo copy of illustrator and see for your self.



>> ^IronDwarf:

>> ^bobknight33:
Words words words words


What would satisfy you? You obviously weren't happy with the short form, and now that the long form has been released, you aren't happy with that. What would it take to convince you? Or are you one of those people who are just so happy to think that they have the secret information that no one else does? Don't you think that if there were a minute chance that Obama were not from this country that the Republicans would take every chance they could to find that out? Hell, they went after Clinton for lying about getting his dick sucked. Don't you think they would be all over this if they could overturn an entire election in their favor?

Your kidding right?
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

What's photoshop?

That site indicate that they have a link so one could reproduce the same effect. I would like that but there are no download links. So I used a image of a test document with a graphic and did how they said and opened it up in illustrator. The result is not ever close to how the site had.

>> ^theali:

"the layers are in fact a result of the 'Optimized PDF' option"
http://www.nkyvoice.com/2011/04/update-obama-live-birth-certificate.ht
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Good question. The news and or OBAMA indicated that his attorney went to Hawaii and obtained it. It then would make sense the the attorney would come back with an official copy/ duplicate. The White house staff would then process it and post it on the web.


To indicate that the "locals" scanned it and then email it or such is a possible point but it still does not answer the alterations.

The white surly have access properly knowledgeable individuals of photoshop and other ADOBE products.

>> ^Mysling:

>> ^bobknight33:
That would be fine if you just wanted the text from the document. In this case the the document as a whole is what is of interest. Anyone with any graphic sense would scan into photoshop since the image would be a photo. This would present itself as 1 and only 1 layer.
No one would OCR scan to PDF execpt those with out photoshop. Sure the scanner will have software provided for OCR ( optical character recognition).

The problem is that you are assuming that this was done by a person with graphic sense, or with knowledge of photoshop.
If the birth certificate was simply scanned by some office worker in Hawaii, with no graphic sense and no photoshop available, and sent to the White House for publication, would that not explain the entire thing?

What...


http://videosift.com/video/What-Birthers-Believe

>> ^bobknight33:

Your kidding right?
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
What's photoshop?



It's on the computer right? Is it next to the any key?

>> ^Mysling:

>> ^bobknight33:
That would be fine if you just wanted the text from the document. In this case the the document as a whole is what is of interest. Anyone with any graphic sense would scan into photoshop since the image would be a photo. This would present itself as 1 and only 1 layer.
No one would OCR scan to PDF execpt those with out photoshop. Sure the scanner will have software provided for OCR ( optical character recognition).

The problem is that you are assuming that this was done by a person with graphic sense, or with knowledge of photoshop.
If the birth certificate was simply scanned by some office worker in Hawaii, with no graphic sense and no photoshop available, and sent to the White House for publication, would that not explain the entire thing?


Not quite...the -real- problem is that you seem to assume that the birther crowd have -any- concern or connection to reality. They don't. They will not -ever- accept that we have a black president. For every bullshit claim that is refuted, they'll simply spawn a new variant.

You can see that perfectly clearly in our own local variety..."fact" just isn't a meaningful concept to them.

Continuing the discussion is like wrestling with pigs...the only thing you're going to achieve is to waste your time and amuse the pigs.

Yes, it seems obvious that it is most probably an altered original of itself, creating a time-waster for his enemies, knowing he will be fine and having a laugh, ridiculing his critics. A very interesting and gutsy "fuck you" type chess move. LOL!! I like it!

It would make sense to me if the alterations people are reporting are merely artefacts caused by scanning the document directly to a PDF.

As the video points out, these "alterations" are so obvious that if someone wanted to hide that it was a fake, it was done purposefully badly. The White house would definately have had people to do this properly.

The other option is that the birth certificate was simply processed very coarsely, either because it was done by someone with no graphical knowledge, or because they wanted the final published document to be as small as possible. After all, they are publishing a document they expect to be downloaded millions of times by skeptics within the first day. Putting up a 10 mb high-fidelity scan would bring the server to its knees and likely cause an even greater outrage.

I'm just saying, of these two possiblilities, the latter is definately the most likely.

>> ^bobknight33:


To indicate that the "locals" scanned it and then email it or such is a possible point but it still does not answer the alterations.
The white surly have access properly knowledgeable individuals of photoshop and other ADOBE products.