Man Shoots Unmanned Police 'Speed Enforcement' Vehicle

Via Talking Points Memo: "One Santa Fe man is fighting back against the city's program to crack down on people who speed by taking the matter into his own hands — literally. A video released Friday shows an elderly gentleman clad in a white nightgown pull up next to an unmanned speed-enforcement vehicle at about 1:20 a.m and casually unload five gunshots into the windshield before proceeding to drive off...".* Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur break it down on The Young Turks.
ravermansays...

Is fining revenue gathering? Of course it is.
Is speeding endangering the lives of your fellow citizens? Of course it is.
(It's not a matter of opinion. It's proven and documented statistical probability.)

So the secret to beating the system? Just don't speed.

With any luck you'll hit a tree and remove your idiocy from the gene pool - but sometimes you'll hit one of us and hurt our loved ones. So we asked our government to do something to keep us safe from you. That's why there are laws and enforcement.

Yogisays...

I'd like to see people fight speed traps and such things electronically. Like having an App that says where on a major freeway cops like to hang out. If you see one you can quickly report where it is and the phones of other's behind you will warn them to let them know they need to slow down.

I've always wanted to do this with signs and such...with a phone I think it would be even better...and it would be hard for them to police that.

BoneRemakesays...

What is the big deal with speeding anyway ? do people not understand physics and the fact that going ten more miles an hour wont get you where you want to go much faster ?

If you go faster than the ten I said then I revert back to the physics part.

Youz speeders are fucktards.

Darkhandsays...

I find red light cameras actually cause me to drive worse. Because whenever I get close to a stop light that has one if it goes yellow I ALWAYS stop even if I shouldn't. I mean I don't go tires screeching into it, but I will do hard stops because once the light is yellow you're not supposed to be in the intersection.

Then all it takes is someone who has rigged the lights to change a second or two too soon and blam you've got a ticket. How do you DISPROVE that?

Then I have to take time off to go to court and try to fight a ticket?

One day I'm going to get rear-ended at one of these lights. Even though I'm doing nothing wrong stopping not entering an intersection at a red light someone else won't be paying attention.

Thanks Big Brother!

Sincerely,
Future Me

Darkhandsays...

>> ^Yogi:

I'd like to see people fight speed traps and such things electronically. Like having an App that says where on a major freeway cops like to hang out. If you see one you can quickly report where it is and the phones of other's behind you will warn them to let them know they need to slow down.
I've always wanted to do this with signs and such...with a phone I think it would be even better...and it would be hard for them to police that.


That exists already:

http://trapster.com/

The only problem is everyone needs to have it obviously.

When I was growing up people would flash their high beams at you to warn you. Nobody does that anymore.

Darkhandsays...

>> ^raverman:

Is fining revenue gathering? Of course it is.
Is speeding endangering the lives of your fellow citizens? Of course it is.
(It's not a matter of opinion. It's proven and documented statistical probability.)
So the secret to beating the system? Just don't speed.
With any luck you'll hit a tree and remove your idiocy from the gene pool - but sometimes you'll hit one of us and hurt our loved ones. So we asked our government to do something to keep us safe from you. That's why there are laws and enforcement.


The problem is though there is no buffer. If the speed limit is 25 and I do 26 I'll get a ticket? That's really harsh.

I have people that do 40Mph down my 25Mph street and I can't stand that so I'd agree with some sort of speed enforcement. But It needs to be within reason. People need to actually be endangering lives. Not just some guy doing 5 over.

CrushBugsays...

Photo radar has absolutely nothing to do with speed enforcement. It is like swatting your dog on the nose 2 weeks after he pooped in the house. There is no corrective action when the event occurs. Where there is an actual manned speed trap there is usually a measurable drop is speeding and collisions. But they decided it was too expensive to have actual cops do the work, so they switched to random covert surveillance by automation with 30 day notification.

I usually get 1 photo radar ticket a year. Each time I get one, I cannot figure out where it happened or what was going on when it happened. Did I learn anything from it? Nope. I certainly wasn't intending to speed when it happened.

ForgedRealitysays...

>> ^shagen454:

The guy has to be a little crazy to do that. Not that I find anything really wrong with it and I love that he did it; but the guy is obviously a little nutty.


You'd have to be crazy to go to all that effort and then not even break in and steal the thousands of dollars of camera equipment inside... Shit, that one still camera looked REALLY nice. There was other equipment in there too.

If they can afford that kind of hardware and just leave it out on the side of the road and drain the battery, why can't they pay some rent-a-cop to do the same thing?

mxxconsays...

>> ^Yogi:

I'd like to see people fight speed traps and such things electronically. Like having an App that says where on a major freeway cops like to hang out. If you see one you can quickly report where it is and the phones of other's behind you will warn them to let them know they need to slow down.
I've always wanted to do this with signs and such...with a phone I think it would be even better...and it would be hard for them to police that.
http://www.waze.com allows you to do that.

ulysses1904says...

Gosh, you're so right. I really didn't get it until just now. I was one of the "sheeple" for so long and I didn't realize it. Now I'll start speaking in nothing but cliches like these TYT hosts and other college kids.

"Down with the jack-booted fascists!" >> ^Fletch:

>> ^ulysses1904:
"We're all so tired of Big Brother looking over us at all times". It's a speed trap, not a toilet cam ya drama queen.

You really don't get it.
Go back to sleep. The government will keep you safe.

Sepacoresays...

>> ^Yogi:

I'd like to see people fight speed traps and such things electronically. Like having an App that says where on a major freeway cops like to hang out. If you see one you can quickly report where it is and the phones of other's behind you will warn them to let them know they need to slow down.
I've always wanted to do this with signs and such...with a phone I think it would be even better...and it would be hard for them to police that.


Not sure about other countries, but in Australia the standard notification is: after driving past a speed trap, you flash/flick your lights at the on coming cars a couple times (daylight = lights on, off, on, off. Night = dim, normal, dim, normal.. no blinding takes place) for each few cars depending on how far apart they are.

The drivers that know what it means, likely because they learned it when they were kids from their parents doing it, slow down for the trap if they are going a bit fast, everyone checks the speed limit, then they flash the drivers coming their other direction (the ones behind you).. and if enough things like timing, traffic level's, distance from trap etc are right, then you (and most others) would be flashed before you got to the speed trap too. Aim to only do it within a couple of kilometers of the trap, else people get impatient waiting for it and speed up and get caught.

This tactic is used for pretty much any situation where the police have a presence in some respect. Also, if you see someone doing 150km/h+ in a 110 (max speed) zone, flash em, they WILL slow down, because it's better to slow down for a fake flash then risk the chance of the cops grabbing you and taking your dollars and driving points.

Pretty sure you can actually be fined for doing it, but it doesn't stop people from doing it once they pass the cops (if any are present).

In saying all of this, i only condone a 15% increase of the speed limit.. the cops used to allow for a 10% increase/fluctuation which was safer then not allowing any fluctuation.. safer to watch the road more than watching the speedometer .

Sagemindsays...

BC Canada had these photo-radar cars several years ago but finally got rid of them

First of all, they can't prove who is driving the car.
Second, a dirty license plate, get's you pass.
Three, a halogen license plate bulb leaves an over exposed photo of the license so those are also void.

As well, it's just a money grabbing mechanism and didn't ever stop the fast drivers from speeding. By the time you even know the camera-vehicle is there, you've already had your photo taken, then you are off and speeding again. no one stops you. they just collect the fines.

Then you had highways getting clogged. Every time a car was on the side of the road, every one slows down - just in case - then speeds up again after they pass the vehicle.

It got so that, when traveling or driving on the highways, you just drove as fast as you wanted while keeping your eye out for cars parked on the side of the road. Then once you pass the car, you know you are free to speed.

Fletchsays...

>> ^ulysses1904:

Gosh, you're so right. I really didn't get it until just now. I was one of the "sheeple" for so long and I didn't realize it. Now I'll start speaking in nothing but cliches like these TYT hosts and other college kids.
"Down with the jack-booted fascists!" >> ^Fletch:
>> ^ulysses1904:
"We're all so tired of Big Brother looking over us at all times". It's a speed trap, not a toilet cam ya drama queen.

You really don't get it.
Go back to sleep. The government will keep you safe.


Huh? I bet that sounded much more clever in your head. But hey, whatever gets you through your miserable day...

enochsays...

>> ^raverman:

Is fining revenue gathering? Of course it is.
Is speeding endangering the lives of your fellow citizens? Of course it is.
(It's not a matter of opinion. It's proven and documented statistical probability.)
So the secret to beating the system? Just don't speed.
With any luck you'll hit a tree and remove your idiocy from the gene pool - but sometimes you'll hit one of us and hurt our loved ones. So we asked our government to do something to keep us safe from you. That's why there are laws and enforcement.


you talking to me?
because i speed all the time and i mean SPEED..none of that mamby pamby pussy speeding,im talking red-lining as fast as my car can go baby!(ok..that may have been a tad hyperbolic,but you get my point).

do i do this in a 25mph zone? no.
where residential homes are and possibly children? of course not,dont be absurd.
busy highway? with cluttered traffic? again that would be pretty dumb.traffic by its nature has a flow to it and 5 miles more per hour wont make much of a difference.

i am an adult who can make rational and reasonable choices concerning my safety and those around me and i CHOOSE to let my car rip with the windows down and the music cranking usually late at night when few cars are on the road and always a well lit road and/or highway.
i am not risking anybodies safety but my own.the only thing i am truly risking is getting popped by a cop and that is also a risk i chose.
i am ok with that and i have been pulled over a few times with not ONE citation for speeding (though i obviously was).

because that IS the point of this video yes?
a cop pulls me over on a lone highway doing 110mph and all i get is a warning but an automated surveillance camera does not make those distinctions.nor does it differentiate between 1 mile over the speed limit or 30 mph over.it does not discriminate because safety has nothing to do with its function.it serves entirely as a revenue gatherer...period.

now maybe you are speaking of those drivers who zip in and out of lanes,always having to gain that 5-10 of pavement,cutting in and out and driving aggressively.
or the drivers who scream down a residential road doing 50mph where kids play and people walk their dog.
well i can agree with you whole-heartedly on those points.those drivers are disregarding the safety of other people and should be fined etc etc but (and this is the main point) you will NEVER find one of those surveillance cameras in those areas.
why?
because most people dont drive like that and usually only speed on open highways.
(this is not opinion but statistically documented)
there is more revenue to be had on the open highway than there ever could be on your side street.hence surveillance is (usually) on open highways and freeways.
this is about money,moola,scratch and little to do with safety...or the law.

i am sure you did not direct your post at me @raverman nor people who may speed on occasion like i do.i am just using your comment to make a point and to express something that i am seeing more and more and i have to admit that it is a bit troubling to me.
how many of the people i encounter are becoming more and more comfortable with tactics such as this and then rationalize it in a way that,on the surface,does seem reasonable but i ask you...
i ask all of you..
to think a bit further when a government implements such tactics as automatic surveillance under the guise of safety because when we look at it honestly it is anything BUT about concerns for safety.

i do not obey blindly and i aim to misbehave.
i might just start doing that wearing a nightgown.
lets be honest..that was epic.

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