Louis CK - "Apologize"

So funny and yet very sweet at the same time. There's a lesson to be learned here.
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articiansays...

I like Louis CK, but I just had a small realization that he's not making his comedy for people like us, who are right there with him, flabbergasted at other peoples behavior and the world that creates for us. I think this is the first skit where I realized he's making this stuff for all the assholes. The ones that make life such a shitty place, and show them how their decisions and behavior trickle into everyone's lives eventually.

It maybe that I'm the only person who didn't realize this, but it just jumped Louis up another mega-level in terms of respect in my mind. Maybe that's not his true intent with all his comedy, but it certainly seems like it with this piece, and wow, he really does think far outside the realms of contemporary storytelling for what he wants to do with his work. Much respect for artists who want to better the world.

brycewi19says...

I am tempted to say that this doesn't even belong in the Comedy channel. I realize Louis is pure comedy, but this is straight up a social lesson in appropriate behavior.
It was beautiful. Actually not very funny at all. And I totally love that the humor was minimal. Louis had me on the verge of tears with this.

ponceleonsays...

You know, I was kind of expecting it to go to the next level and have a scene at the holding cell where she bumps into a hooker or a biker or something and gives her attitude and gets the living shit beat out of her...

criticalthudsays...

yes, learn how to say sorry when you don't mean it in order to make someone else feel a certain way, and to quickly forgive purposeful aggressive action.
good sociopathic training

dunno. what you guys see a dutiful lesson in good manners I see as training to be disingenuous.

and who is the lesson for? are you condoning that your child should expect an apology every time she's bumped into?
if you train your child to be a princess that the world should be apologizing to, make sure she stays in the USA.

dagsays...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

The lesson was for the sorry sayer, not the receiver. Saying sorry and meaning it is an acknowledgement of causing harm - minor empathy, most definitely Not sociopathic.>> ^criticalthud:
yes, learn how to say sorry when you don't mean it in order to make someone else feel a certain way, and to quickly forgive purposeful aggressive action.
good sociopathic training
dunno. what you guys see a dutiful lesson in good manners I see as training to be disingenuous.
and who is the lesson for? are you condoning that your child should expect an apology every time she's bumped into?
if you train your child to be a princess that the world should be apologizing to, make sure she stays in the USA.

criticalthudsays...

>> ^dag:

The lesson was for the sorry sayer, not the receiver. Saying sorry and meaning it is an acknowledgement of causing harm - minor empathy, most definitely Not sociopathic.>> ^criticalthud:
yes, learn how to say sorry when you don't mean it in order to make someone else feel a certain way, and to quickly forgive purposeful aggressive action.
good sociopathic training
dunno. what you guys see a dutiful lesson in good manners I see as training to be disingenuous.
and who is the lesson for? are you condoning that your child should expect an apology every time she's bumped into?
if you train your child to be a princess that the world should be apologizing to, make sure she stays in the USA.



ok, the first action was purposeful. did the first girl learn a lesson or learn that she could commit purposeful actions and then be forgiven for uttering a phrase? The lesson learned here for a little girl is that she can purposefully act, with malice, and be forgiven right after without ever having to examine her reasoning for committing the malicious act. The catholic church allows for the same behavior. it is essentially saying that you may escape responsibility for your actions by apologizing for it. this is pure fallacy, and a poor way to raise a child.

"say you're sorry" - learning how to say something in response is not learning appropriate behavior.

As to who receives the lesson in the second scene - who is the impressionable one here? who is in their formulative years? if you teach your child at this age that they are special and that they should (creating unrealistic expectations) expect an apology every time someone bumps into them, and the world must be polite to them, you're not doing them any favors.

in the second scene also, most here are in agreement that the older girl should be punished in some way, even though her actions lacked any intent. this is not how the law works, and for good reason.

but seriously, let's breathe for a second and reflect upon just how idiotic it is to force someone to say something they don't mean. this kind of junk in ingrained into our society and you guys are mirroring it. Fight Club got it right.

criticalthudsays...

and the problem was not that the older girl didn't apologize. the problem is that she acted callously. as such, it was a perfect opportunity for the little girls to learn something useful.
here's how you handle it:

dad: hey girls - see how that girl just bumped into you because she wasn't paying attention to anything but herself?
Don't be like her.


and teaching your child to be aware of what proper etiquette is in a given culture is a far far different thing than teaching them to expect it.

dagsays...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

The people who act callously are the ones who find it most difficult to say sorry and mean it. Saying sorry for them is forcing them to shine a lightt on their own faults. An empathetic person would not have done something like that in the first place - but if they did - would not have a problem with apologising.

Saying sorry and meaning it is how callous people become less callous.


>> ^criticalthud:

and the problem was not that the older girl didn't apologize. the problem is that she acted callously. as such, it was a perfect opportunity for the little girls to learn something useful.
here's how you handle it:
dad: hey girls - see how that girl just bumped into you because she wasn't paying attention to anything but herself?
Don't be like her.

and teaching your child to be aware of what proper etiquette is in a given culture is a far far different thing than teaching them to expect it.

gwiz665says...

>> ^dag:

The people who act callously are the ones who find it most difficult to say sorry and mean it. Saying sorry for them is forcing them to shine a lightt on their own faults. An empathetic person would not have done something like that in the first place - but if they did - would not have a problem with apologising.
Saying sorry and meaning it is how callous people become less callous.

>> ^criticalthud:
and the problem was not that the older girl didn't apologize. the problem is that she acted callously. as such, it was a perfect opportunity for the little girls to learn something useful.
here's how you handle it:
dad: hey girls - see how that girl just bumped into you because she wasn't paying attention to anything but herself?
Don't be like her.
and teaching your child to be aware of what proper etiquette is in a given culture is a far far different thing than teaching them to expect it.




criticalthudsays...

>> ^dag:

The people who act callously are the ones who find it most difficult to say sorry and mean it. Saying sorry for them is forcing them to shine a lightt on their own faults. An empathetic person would not have done something like that in the first place - but if they did - would not have a problem with apologising.
Saying sorry and meaning it is how callous people become less callous.

>> ^criticalthud:
and the problem was not that the older girl didn't apologize. the problem is that she acted callously. as such, it was a perfect opportunity for the little girls to learn something useful.
here's how you handle it:
dad: hey girls - see how that girl just bumped into you because she wasn't paying attention to anything but herself?
Don't be like her.
and teaching your child to be aware of what proper etiquette is in a given culture is a far far different thing than teaching them to expect it.



so, you're going to demand that people feel a certain way, according to your expectations? good luck with that!!!!

criticalthudsays...

has anyone considered that Louis is making fun of bad parenting - how to make a scene with your kids, how to teach your children to utter formulaic responses, and how to escalate a fairly common occurrence into a giant mess?
ummm...

budzossays...

Put me down as Louis CK is being a fucking dickhead in this video. I agree with the poster above who said that forcing insincere apologies seems like training people to be sociopaths.

Your kids are not the center of the universe either. The world doesn't need to stop just because something rude or unpleasant happens to your little shitstain brat.

criticalthudsays...

and, if you will bear with my nuttiness and take a logical leap with me:

at the heart of climate change is a psychological issue: an entire species that acts as if the world revolves around them. each unique little special snowflake.

if you are teaching your kids this, you are perpetuating the problem.

dagsays...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

I'm saying that it's up to us to get over our non-confrontational ways and let people know we've been wronged - and demand acknowledgement. It's called living in a community, bitches.>> ^criticalthud:

>> ^dag:
The people who act callously are the ones who find it most difficult to say sorry and mean it. Saying sorry for them is forcing them to shine a lightt on their own faults. An empathetic person would not have done something like that in the first place - but if they did - would not have a problem with apologising.
Saying sorry and meaning it is how callous people become less callous.
>> ^criticalthud:
and the problem was not that the older girl didn't apologize. the problem is that she acted callously. as such, it was a perfect opportunity for the little girls to learn something useful.
here's how you handle it:
dad: hey girls - see how that girl just bumped into you because she wasn't paying attention to anything but herself?
Don't be like her.
and teaching your child to be aware of what proper etiquette is in a given culture is a far far different thing than teaching them to expect it.


so, you're going to demand that people feel a certain way, according to your expectations? good luck with that!!!!

kymbossays...

So climate change isn't a scientific fact, it's human egocentrism? That sounds like a conclusion that started from a concept with a kernel of truth, and was made ridiculous by taking it to it's logical extension.

budzossays...

How does forcing an apology from someone who doesn't want to apologize teach them anything? It teaches them (and the kids witnessing it) to just apologize next time even though they don't mean it. I have my own expression for it: "saying sorry as you elbow people in the side of the head to cross the room is impolite."

EDIT: You say "saying sorry and meaning it is how non-empathetic people become empathetic." ... I'm sorry but that doesn't apply to adults. Also, by the simplest logic, if you demand an apology from someone, they're probably not giving you a sincere apology (i.e. feeling any empathy).

>> ^dag:

The lesson was for the sorry sayer, not the receiver. Saying sorry and meaning it is an acknowledgement of causing harm - minor empathy, most definitely Not sociopathic.>> ^criticalthud:
yes, learn how to say sorry when you don't mean it in order to make someone else feel a certain way, and to quickly forgive purposeful aggressive action.
good sociopathic training
dunno. what you guys see a dutiful lesson in good manners I see as training to be disingenuous.
and who is the lesson for? are you condoning that your child should expect an apology every time she's bumped into?
if you train your child to be a princess that the world should be apologizing to, make sure she stays in the USA.


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