Cyclists bike as slow as possible in a sprint race

Very intense to see the cyclists jockey for position in this sprint race from 1990. The commentators explain the tactic.
Vexussays...

>> ^KnivesOut:

You must hate car racing. They have like 300 laps, but only the last one matters there too.
Right?>> ^possom:
How about 1 lap instead of 2 silly ones and one real one? I agree, weird.



But in Car Racing they don't go 15 MPH around the track for 299 of the laps

Deanosays...

They still don't explain why though. They just say that Golinelli *must* lead the first lap. Why play cat and mouse? I'd like to see a rider just go for it and see what everyone else says.

possomsays...

No, I don't particularly care for car lap racing. I do enjoy drag racing.

They usually spend the first 299 laps making an effort to pass the car in front of them.


>> ^KnivesOut:

You must hate car racing. They have like 300 laps, but only the last one matters there too.
Right?>> ^possom:
How about 1 lap instead of 2 silly ones and one real one? I agree, weird.


SwimWithSharkssays...

>> ^Deano:

They still don't explain why though. They just say that Golinelli must lead the first lap. Why play cat and mouse? I'd like to see a rider just go for it and see what everyone else says.


at the speeds they are going if you are behind you're doing a LOT less work, so if the front rider just "went for it" the other rider will just stay in the draft, expend less energy, and get him towards the end (which is kind of what happened here).

It is possible to win from the front if you time your attack well, but it's definitely advantageous to be behind, both from a reaction time perspective and drafting

possomsays...

There is no drafting effect in play when moving this slowly and at some points STOPPED.

The issue with being in front is that not only do you have to ride, steer, forward, you also have to be aware and even look back at the opponent to prevent them from passing you, detracting you from just pedaling as hard as possible and going forward (what the race should be)

It is interesting, but I don't see how it warrants a "Race" or sport. IF they wanted a sprint competition, they should just have a straight track equal to 1 lap of this oval, and let them "drag race" it out. While the strategy and stress of being in front or back is interesting, it plays out as very silly and unsportsmanlike. "I am going to try to get behind so I can win".

I did enjoy the video and did upvote;)

SwimWithSharkssays...

the drafting comes into play when people are actually pushing the 200m, the positional jockeying is part of the overall strategy for the race, just like running the clock down to prevent your opponent from responding is in others. Once the "race" portion of the race starts in the final half lap there is definitely no looking back and people are definitely pedaling as hard as possible.

You might prefer to watch "individual pursuit" if you just want the racing without the strategy, in that format the riders start on opposite sides of the track and who goes fastest overall wins, there is no jockeying for position since you're never going to get close enough to each other to draft or influence each other's race in any way.

>> ^possom:

There is no drafting effect in play when moving this slowly and at some points STOPPED.

Deanosays...

>> ^SwimWithSharks:

the drafting comes into play when people are actually pushing the 200m, the positional jockeying is part of the overall strategy for the race, just like running the clock down to prevent your opponent from responding is in others. Once the "race" portion of the race starts in the final half lap there is definitely no looking back and people are definitely pedaling as hard as possible.
You might prefer to watch "individual pursuit" if you just want the racing without the strategy, in that format the riders start on opposite sides of the track and who goes fastest overall wins, there is no jockeying for position since you're never going to get close enough to each other to draft or influence each other's race in any way.
>> ^possom:
There is no drafting effect in play when moving this slowly and at some points STOPPED.



I second watching Pursuit, love that. Pity they got rid of the 1km pursuit in the Olympics. I recall Chris Hoy's run a few Olympics ago being incredibly thrilling.

I still don't get this event though. You'd think with any kind of distance event it would evolve so people maintained an optimum pace until they felt the need to sprint.

yellowcsays...

Different strokes for different folks.

I was caught in a web of suspense. The mind games and tactics are excellent to watch, arguably more interesting than the actual sprint. I mean yeah it's fun to see humans go as fast as they can but it tends to be over in 10seconds or less. The build up is the captivating part.

CheshireSmilesays...

>> ^messenger:

Great call by Phil Liggett, one of my favourite sportscasters in any sport.


FANTASTIC CALLING. i went into this video knowing nothing about professional biking other than the fact that it existed, and he told me all that i needed to know. bravo.

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