Personally I would not do this, very bad form.

What is bad form?

Calling something a dupe without even looking at the time stamp?

or

Saying hey, "if you are going to declare something a dupe, watch damn video first"?

It happens all the time. This could be easily solved by making the dupe invocation only work if the videos are the same length.

I'm thinking 'somebody' owes MycroftHolmz 100 upvotes and 10 promotes.

But yeah, I've resurrected dead videos with a minute's length difference on one or two occasions, but there was careful duplicate-evaluation involved. Never called a dupe unless I watched both videos in entirety back-to-back, so to speak. Anyway, shall we brainstorm some penalties for incorrect dupe invocations?

*edit* Same length restriction isn't viable. There's thousands of dupes that have had a second's difference, which I assume is a result of host change via net-ripping, and there have been several precedents in which whole minutes of video have added next to nothing to a particular video, thus having been called duplicates (this however clearly isn't the case).

Faux pas! Crucify the bastard!

Unacceptable. There needs to be an undo for these misfires.

Submit it again, mycroft. We'll get it back up. it happens to every man once in a while...

I pretty ticked about this... I have brought this up before. I hate repeating myself. Lucky, Dag, you need to fix this. Seriously. The dupeof invocation is dangerous.

Resubmit!

http://www.videosift.com/video/ACORN-Natl-Spokesman-Gets-Kicked-Off-The-Set-By-Glenn-Beck-1

There...

Not only that, but my vote went to the damn short vid. I did not like the 52 sec. clip because I didn't understand what was going on. This dupe system is broken!

Dag, where are you.

doned. i can has cheesburger naow?

Is dupe a privileged invocation? If not, probably should be.

Mycroft, understand that the way the system is right now, it cannot be undone, so if you are hoping for that, it's just not gonna happen.

Perhaps we could have an added security, be doing it like with ban - the first dupeof invoker adds the link and the second just says *dupeof and it happens, or another says *notdupe and the first dupeof is cleared again.

Perhaps we could have an added security, be doing it like with ban - the first dupeof invoker adds the link and the second just says *dupeof and it happens, or another says *notdupe and the first dupeof is cleared again.

^That's a great idea, Fisk!

Here, here, mycroft. The dupeof invocation is dangerous, and an easy way for Sifters to get rid of videos without discussing them.

The dupeof invocation should ONLY be used when the video is IDENTICAL in every way to the original video.

Man, I wish I had a power point right about now.

*dupeof should send straight to discuss whereas 2 (gold or above) members must agree with a *dupe command. (2) *notdupe commands will return the video

Perhaps we could invoke the "I second the motion" action as we do with "ban"

EDIT - As rottonseed has already mentioned above!!!

Yeah, that's a bit bollocks - I've had peeps say 'Dupe' with no link and when I finally find the video - it's shorter, different clip or, in short, not a dupe.

I recently saw a dupe and watched both through to compare - if they are EXACTLY the same I will delcare dupe of - if I am unsure - ask the poster

One upvote for your rather awesome resubmitted video

Jesus goddamn christ Mycroft. You're treating my mistake like it's the end of the fucking world.

It's a video, I immediately PM'd you and said "oh shit, I just totally fucked this up" and gave you vote tallies from each video at the time I mis-duped. But I still get two super angry PMs, and now this big giant discussion. Good grief man.

This isn't "dangerous". You know what's dangerous? The fucking semi that almost knocked me off the road this morning. THAT is dangers, this is a video. How about you try to "not be a douche" and stop leaving me angry PMs.

Truth be told, only one of my comments was angry.

The bottom line is, you should have watched the video first.

I have brought this up at least once before. And I am using this to fix something that is wrong with the sift, half feigning outrage so lucky and dag do something about it. Don't get me wrong am I really annoyed that you did not watch the damn video first. But I am not going to lose sleep over it.

Keep it HAPPY folks, Something good will come out of this. There is no real problem with discussing this.
I think rottonseed has the right idea!!!

Did I just say that out load

Perhaps we could have an added security, be doing it like with ban - the first dupeof invoker adds the link and the second just says *dupeof and it happens, or another says *notdupe and the first dupeof is cleared again.

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When we brought in the dupeof invocation, we knew that the downside was something like this situation. It's kind of an ugly operation to merge two posts - and it is not easily undone- that's why we reserve the power for high ranks and admonish you all to use it wisely.

I have no tool to *dedupe, and it may just have to stay this way.

Let's keep things in perspective though - this is one honest accident in a sea of legitimate, useful dupeof invocations-

In general, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. I will always be ... your friend. [dies]

If you said we could stone him...or maybe force him to put "MycroftHomlz is my favorite sifter. He is my golden calf." at the end of every comment he makes for a month then I would say "Hey Dag, you know I think that is a jolly good idea and a fitting punishment".

>> ^MycroftHomlz:
What is bad form?
Calling something a dupe without even looking at the time stamp?
or
Saying hey, "if you are going to declare something a dupe, watch damn video first"?


Sorry are you having a go at me? My response was to indicate agreement with your point...I probably should have written it better and not gotten that mysterious comment downvote into the bargain.

Also as someone else said there might be a seconds difference due to rounding errors on timings or whatever but where the videos are markedly different in times and thus content I leave well alone.

April Fool's! Where's Graterbot when you need him?

Sorry, in the future I will remember to put a coversheet on all TPS reports.

Everybody makes mistakes. Not everybody behaves like an emotional douchebag though.

Vol made a mistake one time and he apologized. There's nothing more to this drama in a bottle. Anything else is just dickery.
http://www.videosift.com/talk/Punishment-Suggestion-for-Volumptuous that may be a joke of sorts, but to me it just smell of bitter tears. Let it go, dude.

No, dude... it is a joke.

Well, not so much of a joke anymore. I got called out by Lucky now, and my dupeof privs are revoked.

So now, after two PMs, 3 SiftTalk posts, and even having my name in the tags for a video, I am even further punished.


"there are you fucking happy now" (requested by kulpims)

Why does everyone think this is drama? This talk is not about a particular post but about how the dupe system sucks.

Well that was the intent... And then I decided it would be fun to have a go at Volumptuous as well, which turned out fantastic.

OK..., So MycroftHomlz - Repost your longer version post again, Let us all know, and we will all come and see it!!

Does this sound fair?? Anyone?

I never even got a chance to see it, so lets go...

I've ignored both videos. Is everyone happy to know that?

Also, I'm in San Francisco and was too lazy to see if any sifters are here, and I disappear tomorrow... but I'll be back eventually.

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>> ^MycroftHomlz:
No, dude... it is a joke.


Mycroft, your jokes always turn out so well!

Speaking of dupes, can we get the comments to merge along with the video? I posted a dupe of a good video and had some good comments. Once I realized it was a dupe, I merged, and the excellent comments made to my video vanished. I expect to see results in a fortnight. Dismissed.

Speaking of dupes, can we get the comments to merge along with the video? I posted a dupe of a good video and had some good comments. Once I realized it was a dupe, I merged, and the excellent comments made to my video vanished. I expect to see results in a fortnight. Dismissed.

also, dag - i just noticed u have an underpant on ur head. respect.

Geez, a bunch of douchbags whining here.

How many times has this horrible, horrible, unforgivable mistaken dupe happened? How many times in the last year? HOW MANY TIMES?

Before dupe of, videos were just discarded. At least now there is a record of what happened and if you point out the mistake the votes can be transferred back and the new video discarded and resumbited, or whatever.

I do agree with comments also merging, but I doubt that if easily done with the CMS where comments are attached to the root video.

By the way, cry some more.

Hahaha... *quality. You fucking bitches!

Awarding MycroftHomlz with one star point for this contribution to Sift Talk - declared quality by blankfist.