Zina Nicole Lahr made things

RIP. She passed away after a hiking accident in November.
*maker
siftbotsays...

Self promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Sunday, January 12th, 2014 12:59pm PST - promote requested by original submitter deathcow.

oritteroposays...

So the moral of this story is don't go and enjoy the outdoors you might slip and fall to your death?

I see exactly no parallels at all to Pippa Bacca, and I'm normally much more of a lumper than a splitter.

Unless you know something I don't, I also see little if any relevance to your gen Y story... she didn't come across as a whiny child, but rather as someone who went out and made stuff and did things.

Velocity5said:

She slipped and fell to her death.

Sounds like a cautionary tale, similar to that of Pippa Bacca.

The world rewards those rare people who are developed enough to be able to enjoy being boring and responsible. (Read that link.) Zina and Pippa would have been happier today if their parents had told them that.

Velocity5says...

@oritteropo

Zina and Pippa Bacca, like many Gen-Yers, thought the world is a fanciful place. More serious people probably wouldn't have died if they were on the same trail as Zina.

Zina and Pippa were both pursuing paths that gave them "warm fuzzies," but would likely result in them being unable to survive except for redistributions from more serious people.

The world is full of frivolous people who have no idea how serious it is. The reason they have no idea is because society encouraged them to be frivolous.


There are secure career paths for people who want to be around creativity. But those careers depend on the same traits all careers depend on: industriousness and defining yourself as being science-minded.

xxovercastxxjokingly says...

Yes, well, gravity is particularly fond of positive, active young people.

oritteroposaid:

Unless you know something I don't, I also see little if any relevance to your gen Y story... she didn't come across as a whiny child, but rather as someone who went out and made stuff and did things.

enochsays...

@Velocity5
it appears to me you do not fully comprehend what it is to be an artist.

the argument you put forth would make sense in the context that being an artist can be quantified as a "career choice".

i assure you....it is not.

artists live in the present.
they reveal new ways of seeing,thinking and feeling in a constant parade of melodies woven together by the very fabric of humanity.

sometimes beautiful..other times horrific.
the artist rips the veil back to reveal a deeper truth.

the artist is sometimes exhalted.
many times vilified.

but it is never simply by choice.
they cant help themselves.
it is who they are.

so they live their lives according to the truth they perceive around them.
the ones who DO make it a career choice are not artists.
they have sold a talent in exchange for comfort and security and we always are the lesser for it.

*promote

Jinxsays...

Why are you so bitter?

Velocity5said:

@oritteropo

Zina and Pippa Bacca, like many Gen-Yers, thought the world is a fanciful place. More serious people probably wouldn't have died if they were on the same trail as Zina.

Zina and Pippa were both pursuing paths that gave them "warm fuzzies," but would likely result in them being unable to survive except for redistributions from more serious people.

The world is full of frivolous people who have no idea how serious it is. The reason they have no idea is because society encouraged them to be frivolous.


There are secure career paths for people who want to be around creativity. But those careers depend on the same traits all careers depend on: industriousness and defining yourself as being science-minded.

TheFreaksays...

I don't think he's necessarily bitter. His life and experience has given him a different perspective on what he sees in this video.

If the character of a person is the subject of a video, then you are invited to form an opinion on what you see. The person making this video framed the subject in such a way to advance their own perception but that doesn't mean every viewer has to share that view.

Every opinion is valuable. If you don't agree with a person's views, then recognize that those opinions are valuable to you because they come from a different experience than your own. Zina would want it that way.

Jinxsaid:

Why are you so bitter?

Engelssays...

Jesus people, its a creative woman who slipped and fell and you all want to make it an analysis of an entire generation's psyche? Well, whatever generation you're in, you're in the over analyze everything generation because sometimes a fall it just a freakin' fall.

Velocity5says...

I think what you're describing as The Artist is the refusal to grow up. The world has advanced: many professional creatives today have to work hard to increase their IQs and manage large data sets. That's good: data is beautiful and complex.

I don't think these things are in-born and unchangable. I think practical people who are intellectually curious can go into any of many secure careers

enochsaid:

@Velocity5
it appears to me you do not fully comprehend what it is to be an artist. [...] artists live in the present.

Velocity5says...

Ha

My family and community were well-intentioned but foolish. Foolishness creates costs for many people other than themselves.

I've experienced more hardships and poverty than most people.

Jinxsaid:

Why are you so bitter?

Velocity5says...

@Engels
I've watched a lot of friends who I grew up with be disappointed with their lives because their parents and the media raised them to be foolish. I'm compassionate and a realist.

Tyler Cowen's book Average Is Over makes a convincing case on the decades ahead. There is no more "treading water" to stay in the same place. If you don't work to improve yourself and your living standards, your living standards will decline.

Plan ahead for what the economy is going to be like once continuing automation, declining IQ in future generations across the West, and increasing globalization have tripled the current unemployment rate.

Engelssaid:

Jesus people, its a creative woman who slipped and fell and you all want to make it an analysis of an entire generation's psyche? Well, whatever generation you're in, you're in the over analyze everything generation because sometimes a fall it just a freakin' fall.

Velocity5says...

Thanks

TheFreaksaid:

I don't think he's necessarily bitter. His life and experience has given him a different perspective on what he sees in this video.

If the character of a person is the subject of a video, then you are invited to form an opinion on what you see. The person making this video framed the subject in such a way to advance their own perception but that doesn't mean every viewer has to share that view.

Every opinion is valuable. If you don't agree with a person's views, then recognize that those opinions are valuable to you because they come from a different experience than your own. Zina would want it that way.

Sagemindsays...

And I think you have little knowledge in this area.
Artist is a state of mind, not a career choice. They see things differently.

Yes, artists need to work jobs to live, and many do, but really not by choice. It's every artists dream to live in and thrive in a creative space. It's the worldly demands that destroy and water down the creative so they never reach their potential.
Some artists are lucky that they manage to find a niche, something that allows them to prostitute their talent in various ways. But don't kid yourself, Those artists are not free to create as they see fit to choose, they are often at the mercy of the client and as such are not free to truly reach their creative potential.

Artists are impractical people.
"secure areas" is a polite way of saying "within the system."

Velocity5said:

I think what you're describing as The Artist is the refusal to grow up. The world has advanced: many professional creatives today have to work hard to increase their IQs and manage large data sets. That's good: data is beautiful and complex.

I don't think these things are in-born and unchangable. I think practical people who are intellectually curious can go into any of many secure careers

deathcowsays...

She fell alright, she fell through a cultural rift of understanding in Videosift members which tore the site to pieces. Going forward things were never the same.

Engelssaid:

Its a woman who fell down. For the love of Jebus.

enochsays...

@Velocity5
i think i understand our difference.
you use the term as a descriptive noun.
i use artist as a verb.
it is a way of being,not a mere title of occupation.

yet both usages are correct.

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