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https://www.today.com/video/unarmed-17-year-old-fatally-shot-while-fleeing-pittsburgh-police-1260752963866

Why post such video?

He deserved what he got.

No police mishandling.

apparently a video surfaced earlier today showing Antwon (the 17-year old 'child') shooting someone in a driveby just before the video of police shooting above. The car they ran out of already had rear window shot out. Antwon was found with empty clip in pocket, 2 guns were found in car.
Protesting about this particular case of police use-of-force seems to be misplaced/premature. We'll see.
EDIT: apparently the report of that video was false.

Even if he had a gun in his back pocket, police shouldn't be shooting him running away. Not following police orders should not equal a death sentence. Lethal force is only for when someone's life is being actively threatened.

You are such a fucking asshole

So, you support shooting all the Bundies and the militia men that stood with them in the back....to death....right? Even if they're running away unarmed?
That wouldn't have been Obama and his Jack booted thugs murdering citizens in your mind, it would be an armed gang of criminal thugs getting what they deserve?

I don't believe that for one picosecond.....they're white.

You're trolling particularly hard recently, personal issues or just upset that Trump is failing on so many levels causing you to lash out?

I didn't even watch the video as the forced pathos of the description was enough to put me off. Let's just refer to him as a toddler and call it a day.

Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner.

You can't shoot a fleeing suspect in the back unless the officer has probable cause to believe the suspect "poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm".

No apparent weapon. At the time of the shooting, fleeing teen was merely in a vehicle matching the description of a vehicle seen in a shooting. Officer is white, is part time, and has been through 4 police departments in 7 years (http://www.wtae.com/article/east-pittsburgh-police-officer-identified-in-antwon-rose-shooting/21754207).

As someone who has relatives in the police force, I can tell you that officers don't change jobs that often unless they are having issues or are moving to a completely different area. All 4 of the dept. were in Pittsburgh, so I am willing to bet this officer kept getting cited or failing evals.

That is the problem. We don't have a system in place to PREVENT these unfit officers from simply playing musical chairs with different departments. We have a national criminal database, it is beyond time that we have a national unfit officer database to prevent these assholes from being rehired by an unsuspecting department.

Let him run away to get a bigger gun, to get a hostage, or to harm someone else?

Given that they were in a car with weapons and bullet holes, all of those things were likely to occur. The officer did the right thing to protect the public.

Can you imagine if they didn't shoot, and an innocent bystander got killed? Everyone would be asking why they didn't shoot when they had the chance. It's a tough gig to be a cop.

The kid played with fire and got burnt.

@greatgooglymoogly -- "Lethal force is only for when someone's life is actively being threatened."

and @Mordhaus -- "You can't shoot a fleeing suspect in the back unless the officer has probable cause to believe the suspect 'poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm'."


A fair investigation absolutely needs to happen. BUT, it is at least possible that it was reasonable for the officer to make the judgement call that the kid was an active and significant threat of death or bodily harm to other people.

If he's running away from a car that was clearly used in a drive-by, with weapons in the car... I dunno, man. However questionable the officer's actions are, the kid getting himself into that situation requires a rather longer and even more questionable chain of life decisions.

I'm not saying that stuff is known (I haven't read or watched anything beyond the video), and again a fair investigation into the officer's actions is absolutely necessary. But at some point, I think @transmorpher makes a solid counter argument -- again, IF the stuff about him clearly having just been involved with a drive-by is true. Live by the gun, expect to die by it.

You can go fuck yourself too. I'm sick and tired of this bullshit on this site. So many assholes.

By that logic, anyone running away should be shot to death because they MIGHT get a gun and worse, and anyone not running should be shot to death because they MIGHT be posturing to fight.

At the time of the shooting, the police didn't know there were guns or bullet holes in the car, which could be old holes. The driver was released, which indicates to me it WASN'T used in a drive by at all, or he would be an accomplice and would have been arrested. You disagree? Those guns might be his legal guns and unfired, there's little actual info.

No, if he was running away unarmed, no rational person would ask why they didn't shoot, that's moronic. Any person can be a potential danger. We don't give cops the right to be judge, jury, and executioner on the street based on their assumptions and guesses as you suggest we should. This is America, not the Philippines.

IF......
That's the point, they reportedly had no clue what was true when they shot beyond a kid ran away.....no guns, no active shooting, no identification who was a shooter.....nothing but a car description and a scared kid running away.....a reasonable response if you don't want to die in custody or be framed.

Doesn't your last mean cops should expect to die by the gun and quit complaining? ;-)

You know how to fix that? Don't run away.

Sure....then you just get killed in custody or framed and jailed for life.
Even in the highly unlikely event you find an honest police department, you have to fight the charges they think you might deserve with money and lawyers you don't have (the one they give you will have 200 open cases and 3 minutes to work on your case and will tell you to plea guilty), all after sitting in jail for years waiting for trial because you don't have $200k for bail.... sounds great.....after you. (You have to be black or Latino first though).

You know how you fix that, prosecute every small infraction any officer might be guilty of and remove the criminal cops permanently, like once fired for cause you get bared from any law enforcement job for life. We'll have to replace 2/3 of them and retrain the rest, but we still should, the police as they are are a gang of armed thugs that every now and then do a good deed so they can point to helping grandma get home when caught shooting kids in the back and pretend the former excuses the latter.

I've got no bias, if the police pulled over the wrong car, then I'm happy to retract my earlier comment.

Do what i do, put sifters on ignore(if you need to know how ask) if you have that much of an issue with them. I do it with the same people you seem to have issues with and it works amazingly well for me.

I disagree this site has SO many assholes. I think you are hyper focusing on the couple that upset you. I mean have you participated on youtube, facebook or reddit? VideoSift is by far better than any other community i've EVER seen or been a part of.

(edit) Also never argue down, if you know what i mean

Just because we think it, and may well apply for most of us, personal attacks can't be allowed, or we will end up like every other shit site on the internet. I do understand your anger and frustration though. Like i said above, the ignore option is one you may want to use.

Just the start of the investigation, and they released security video of the drive by.....and this car was just driving behind the car with the actual, now charged shooter, not involved but simply a bystander that was hit with crossfire.
Cop was today charged with criminal homicide (why not manslaughter or murder I wonder).
So much for "if".

Edit: they're now reporting he was in the front seat of the shooters car, not the second car in the video. He's not the shooter, but was involved.
Damn it, news organizations, get your story straight before you put it on the air please.

Thanks for the update.

That obviously makes things much different and worse. But "criminal homicide" would be a murder charge, right? Manslaughter would be a slightly lesser charge, so sounds like they are going full tilt.

That's a good sign I'd say, although still too early to be confident that it will stick.

As I understand it, and I'm no lawyer I just play one on the web, criminally negligent homicide is manslaughter, and could be included. I'll wait until I hear a definite murder charge and conviction before I feel some measure of justice has been served.

*retracted-see below

Sorry, no sympathy.
Don't act guilty by running away.
The cop was doing his job correctly and will be cleared of any wrong doing.

Nope Just a American who see the problem for what it is.
A man deciding not to comply with the police.

Leftest see this a a race issue and will call anyone a A hole who thinks otherwise.

How the left have become so unhinged lately. Leave critical thought to those who can reason and not by those pass judgement from emotional decisions.

Easy to say when you're white, adult, and you weren't just shot at by strangers. Keep in mind this was a kid who had just been shot at, so probably not the world's best decision maker at that moment.....
Choice 1) Submit yourself to the whims of what you believe are racist cops more interested in convicting black kids than the truth that already sound convinced you're a murderer they want to kill, knowing just the accusation will ruin if not end your life or 2) attempt to escape with your hands visible so they know you aren't threatening.

That cop's boss disagrees with you and said he was reckless and unsafe to a criminal extent and didn't follow procedure, as did the DA. You'll excuse me if I put more stock in their professional opinions than yours.
That said, white cop/black kid, so he probably won't be convicted, but be clear that's not the same as being cleared of wrongdoing. There's zero question he did wrong, he shot the wrong unarmed kid in the back 3 times. If it were your kid I doubt you would make excuses for the ex-officer or be so quick to pay him on the back for executing them.

Because I admit when I'm wrong I'll tell you that the news is now reporting he was in the shooters car, not the other car like they said earlier. The video shows he wasn't the shooter, but if reports are now correct it seems he was involved.

While that is a legitimate reason for the police to be on high alert, it's still not enough to require/excuse deadly force against a fleeing suspect according to their rules of engagement or the law, but is likely enough for an acquittal on what they now say are murder charges.