I almost teared up. Powerful stuff.

*wheels

a little back story maybe ? in print that is, because honestly I do not want to watch a six minute video to figure out what this is aboot, I wish to watch this HOG drive ( ) and read a paragraph explaining the situation.

Adding video to channels (Wheels) - requested by BoneRemake.

I met this man a couple of years ago at the WWII monument in DC. He does this every year and salutes for an INCREDIBLY long time. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he has some kind of brace holding his arm up. I know mine would fall off after a mere 10 minutes.

Love the silent oorah at the end.

>> ^MarineGunrock:

I met this man a couple of years ago at the WWII monument in DC. He does this every year and salutes for an INCREDIBLY long time. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he has some kind of brace holding his arm up. I know mine would fall off after a mere 10 minutes.


ya you could tell his shit was getting tired and sore. i once had to present arms to a melting ice cream cone for 4 hours back in basic after getting caught sneaking ice cream from the chow hall on kp duty. thought my arm was gonna fall off. Respect.

god marine dress is so much sharper than the green army shit.

badass

As emotional and symbolic this is for people its still utterly retarded and in fact shallow and ineffective.

Its sad that people still join the army , I believe its because they are forced to financially or because they lack education on politics or the realties of war or what it is to actually be a tool of war.

The most respectful thing anyone could do to honor those that were forced to fight in ww2 and Vietnam is to not join the army and invest all there efforts into raining in government spending on war and lobbying to provide proper support for veterans and troops suffering from the effects of war.

Its quite strange how sum-one will let emotions and symbolism completely override pragmatism and logic , its like how people get all worked up over the burning of a flag more so than they do the trampling of there rights or the desolving of there personal powers in a democracy.



aside from this if there was a legitimate reason to fight a war and I was in it I would not feel that I need anyone to recognize my efforts, the reward would be the outcome of peace that was achieved the best payback would be for people to live as free and normal life as possible.



Id equate it to bringing up children you don't require or expect your children to be some how great full or worshiping of you for you bringing them into the world , you just want them to be happy and live a comfortable life.

>> ^westy:

As emotional and symbolic this is for people its still utterly retarded and in fact shallow and ineffective.
[SNIP]


I think you,sir, are shallow and ineffective.
I also find your rants 'retarded', as you so eloquently put it...

God damn the American government for taking advantage of these people in the ways they have for decades. But, this was very somberly beautiful.

Oorah.

>> ^westy:
...aside from this if there was a legitimate reason to fight a war and I was in it I would not feel that I need anyone to recognize my efforts, the reward would be the outcome of peace that was achieved the best payback would be for people to live as free and normal life as possible...


There's a problem in there Westy. Most of those riders weren't merely "ignored" they were spit on, derided, insulted, and disrespected all because of a few bad seeds in Vietnam. Much like the way a large portion of the Sift regard police.

And no, I honestly don't believe you would think that the "job is the reward" if you had gone through it yourself.

Westy: I don't believe you could be spending a tenth the time reading as you do posting. If you did, I can't imagine you wouldn't have picked up on some basic spelling and grammar rules. If you want people to accept or pay attention to your ideas, why not put in some small effort in writing - and why post if you're not trying to convey ideas?

If you're using "its" as a contraction for "it is", you need an apostrophe: "it's".
If you're talking about something belonging to "they", then you should use "their" instead of "there".

I'm sure you can comprehend those two rules - and following just those two rules would make your posts much easier to read and likely improve your posts' reception greatly.

Moving out from there, there are a tremendous number of spelling and grammatical mistakes in your posts. Some are understandable - it's easy to confuse "reining" and "raining" and only a pedant would jump on you for that kind of error. On the flip side, it's distracting and almost incomprehensible to see "someone" spelled "sum-one". This is a very common English word. Even if you're normally reading another language or have a deep learning/reading disability, how would you have avoided something approximating a proper spelling soaking in at some point? Surely just in the process of posting to this site you would have seen this word spelled correctly thousands of times.

Again, I think the solution is either "spend a tiny amount of time reading instead of posting" or "show a modicum of respect to people reading your posts by making the tiniest effort to spell correctly". Even if your goal is trolling, I think you'll find you get better bites if you put in some effort.

PS: Yes, I'm sure I've made some spelling or grammatical errors in this post. No, I'm not going to proofread it. No, that doesn't make me a hypocrite. I don't believe posts need to be perfect; I just think some effort should be made, and I do make some effort to write reasonably.

>> ^jmzero:

PS: Yes, I'm sure I've made some spelling or grammatical errors in this post. No, I'm not going to proofread it. No, that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

i think that quite pointedly makes you a hypocrite but i digress =)

>> ^smooman:

>> ^jmzero:
PS: Yes, I'm sure I've made some spelling or grammatical errors in this post. No, I'm not going to proofread it. No, that doesn't make me a hypocrite.
i think that quite pointedly makes you a hypocrite but i digress =)


Let me clarify my position by quoting my own comment: "I don't believe posts need to be perfect; I just think some effort should be made, and I do make some effort to write reasonably."

I wrote that specifically to clarify why I don't think I'm being a hypocrite, but I'll clarify a bit further because, as I suspected, someone is always interested in calling hypocrite on the guy who critiques spelling. I believe that my actions and words are consistent with my position above. Again: I don't think people should feel like they need to spend time proofreading posts or should feel like they need to write perfectly; I just think that it's a good thing to put some effort into basic spelling and grammar.

Maybe you disagree with that position. Maybe you think I should put more efforts into my posts. Maybe you can find a post by me that has a lot of mistakes. None of those things would make me a hypocrite; I do try to use proper spelling and grammar, and thus I am - to simplify - practicing what I preach.

it was a joke? relax?

im a grammar nazi too but i dont capitalize or punctuate shit

>> ^jmzero:

Westy: I don't believe you could be spending a tenth the time reading as you do posting. If you did, I can't imagine you wouldn't have picked up on some basic spelling and grammar rules. If you want people to accept or pay attention to your ideas, why not put in some small effort in writing - and why post if you're not trying to convey ideas?
If you're using "its" as a contraction for "it is", you need an apostrophe: "it's".
If you're talking about something belonging to "they", then you should use "their" instead of "there".
I'm sure you can comprehend those two rules - and following just those two rules would make your posts much easier to read and likely improve your posts' reception greatly.
Moving out from there, there are a tremendous number of spelling and grammatical mistakes in your posts. Some are understandable - it's easy to confuse "reining" and "raining" and only a pedant would jump on you for that kind of error. On the flip side, it's distracting and almost incomprehensible to see "someone" spelled "sum-one". This is a very common English word. Even if you're normally reading another language or have a deep learning/reading disability, how would you have avoided something approximating a proper spelling soaking in at some point? Surely just in the process of posting to this site you would have seen this word spelled correctly thousands of times.
Again, I think the solution is either "spend a tiny amount of time reading instead of posting" or "show a modicum of respect to people reading your posts by making the tiniest effort to spell correctly". Even if your goal is trolling, I think you'll find you get better bites if you put in some effort.
PS: Yes, I'm sure I've made some spelling or grammatical errors in this post. No, I'm not going to proofread it. No, that doesn't make me a hypocrite. I don't believe posts need to be perfect; I just think some effort should be made, and I do make some effort to write reasonably.


Gr8 job there ignoring a comment and spending all your time telling sumone how to spell depsite the fact that what they write is enterly legible.

>> ^Norrass:

>> ^westy:
As emotional and symbolic this is for people its still utterly retarded and in fact shallow and ineffective.
[SNIP]

I think you,sir, are shallow and ineffective.
I also find your rants 'retarded', as you so eloquently put it...


if you disagree it would better to explain why rather than to just name call evan if you found my rant retarded at least it wasen't me typing a comment purely to try and insult sum one without thinking.



maby if u had said why its retarded i could have agreed with you or i could have better exsplaind my reasoning.

>> ^Payback:

>> ^westy:
...aside from this if there was a legitimate reason to fight a war and I was in it I would not feel that I need anyone to recognize my efforts, the reward would be the outcome of peace that was achieved the best payback would be for people to live as free and normal life as possible...

There's a problem in there Westy. Most of those riders weren't merely "ignored" they were spit on, derided, insulted, and disrespected all because of a few bad seeds in Vietnam. Much like the way a large portion of the Sift regard police.
And no, I honestly don't believe you would think that the "job is the reward" if you had gone through it yourself.


I didn't know people were spiting on them and what have you and obvously thats stupid for them to do that.


my comment was not about that it was about what was directly visible in the video and peoples blind patratisum and non pragmatic apreach.

well if i was drafted to fight in Vietnam i would be resentful of the government and would have been one of the Manny people to desert to another country, if we wer at war for lagitamte reasons and i was drafted i cetranly would not want to attend a paraid like this and i would not want or exspect people to ohnor or respect me anny more than they should ohnor and respect everyone.



As i said i would want the goverment to treat vterns properly with the right suport and have money put into education and teaching of history to reduce the likelihood of wars happening in the future that would be far more rewarding and befiting of friends i would have lost than some , token paraid.



My view of current troops and vetrens is that im against what they do as a job but i recognize allot of them are forced into the job and i would support them ( not in the killing) but in being nice to them as people and recognizing that they have sufferd allot of emotional truma.

>> ^westy:

Gr8 job there ignoring a comment and spending all your time telling sumone how to spell depsite the fact that what they write is enterly legible.

Gr8 job there ignoring a comment and spending all your time telling sumone how to spell depsite the fact that what they write is enterly legible.

aside from this if there was a legitimate reason to fight a war and I was in it I would not feel that I need anyone to recognize my efforts, the reward would be the outcome of peace that was achieved the best payback would be for people to live as free and normal life as possible.

I didn't know people were spiting on them and what have you...

>> ^jmzero:

>> ^westy:
Gr8 job there ignoring a comment and spending all your time telling sumone how to spell depsite the fact that what they write is enterly legible.

Gr8 job there ignoring a comment and spending all your time telling sumone how to spell depsite the fact that what they write is enterly legible.

"well if i was drafted to fight in Vietnam i would be resentful of the government and would have been one of the Manny people to desert to another country, if we wer at war for lagitamte reasons and i was drafted i cetranly would not want to attend a paraid like this and i would not want or exspect people to ohnor or respect me anny more than they should ohnor and respect everyone."


@westy - Not every veteran was drafted. There are veterans that actually wanted to fight for their country. There are veterans that were proud to do so. There are also citizens that want to show their appreciation to these veterans efforts in keeping their country free.

You absolutely have the right to be a coward and desert your country but, do you have anything to be proud of? Do you have any family that you would fight to defend? Do you have any beliefs that you would fight to defend? Most veterans had all of the above.

"So, from this post, clearly you're spelling poorly on purpose - it's just your fantastically lame gimmick. Sad and stupid, but I guess I won't bother commenting on it further."

Wrong.

Did you read my comment I dont think you understood it , I was primerly saying people should give recognisoin through pragmatic and proactive efforts

....Gump... Whats that about ?

/salute/

Which goes out to all the people who have served in the U.S. armed forces, those at home who honor and support them, and everyone in the vid.

/finger/

Which goes to anyone who insults the above, or belittles their motives.

>> ^Payback:

>> ^westy:
...aside from this if there was a legitimate reason to fight a war and I was in it I would not feel that I need anyone to recognize my efforts, the reward would be the outcome of peace that was achieved the best payback would be for people to live as free and normal life as possible...

There's a problem in there Westy. Most of those riders weren't merely "ignored" they were spit on, derided, insulted, and disrespected all because of a few bad seeds in Vietnam. Much like the way a large portion of the Sift regard police.
And no, I honestly don't believe you would think that the "job is the reward" if you had gone through it yourself.


I'm sorry but that's bullshit. They weren't spit on and derided because of a few bad seeds. They were treated badly because MOST of the country, not just hippies but a Majority of the public believed that the war was fundamentally unjust and immoral. Then you just need some assholes who are going to spit on some guys coming back, and there's a lot of hatred and miscommunication on both sides, it's a nightmare.

Vietnam was a horrific war crime that we inflicted on the people of South Vietnam, we killed them with no just cause, put them in camps, and poisoned them and the effects of that are still seen today in unborn fetuses. Westy is a cunt, but it's absolutely stupid how people defend American wars and Army culture. I'm not going to spit on a soldier but when they said "I fight for your freedom" I'm going to fucking correct him because he simple doesn't. He fights to maintain the Empire, and that is his fault, and my fault. We should all work towards dismantling our Empire and stopping crimes committed in our name.