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“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” - Benjamin Franklin

You were warned.

But Americans would rather watch Fox News and be afraid of terrorists than curtail the rampant abuses perpetrated by police every day.

Number of people killed by Police in the US since 9/11 = 5,000, over 350 per year

Number of American civilians killed worldwide from Terrorist attacks in 2011 = 17

Yeah, give the cops more power and bigger guns.

Close...."Those who would sacrifice essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither." is how I've read it repeatedly.
I found it most telling that, when a citizen meeting with a cop ends in a killing, it's 10 times more likely that the cop kills the citizen than it is the citizen might kill the cop. Cops kill over 10 times more citizens each year than there are cops killed, and the ratio of injury is even greater. That's a problem.
EDIT:worse, I saw a report last night that said there's no database anywhere of innocent victims of cops, either by shootings or other physical attacks. This should be publicly available information, both locally, by county, state, and country.

i saw this video earlier and couldn't watch to the end. glad i did now so i know the cop saw reason in the end.

Magic words, "just so you know, officer, you're being recorded."

Funny how reason was found after that.

Numbers don't tell the whole story, do they? Were all of those deaths ruled as unjustified?

According to an article at propublica, as many as 440,000 deaths per year are attributed to poor medical care in hospitals. So what are you doing to do, take all the doctor's scalpels away?

This video shows a cop trying to find marijuana, which is still illegal in most states. What this video doesn't show is the amount of stolen property that is recovered by the same technique, which is bluffing. But of course, people who commit burglaries and thefts don't videotape the encounters they have with police officers.

Today, more and more people are learning their rights and exercising them, and fewer busts are made through bluffing. But the police will adjust to it.

When I worked the road, I didn't give a crap about speeders, so didn't run radar or laser, and I didn't really care about marijuana because alcohol is far more dangerous to people, but I did bust a couple of bikers from a biker gang trying to sell a grocery bag full of marijuana. They also had a 9mm, which would have been used to a criminal manner, I'm sure. By the way, they got off of the marijuana charge because the judge said I didn't have enough probably cause to make the stop, even though I knew through observation that they were up to something highly suspicious.
how'd you like to buy your grass from a biker with a semi-auto on him?

I know, when I was buying grass in my college days, I didn't buy it from bikers, but a lot of people do.

This is a dumb exchange. When the officer says "you are free to go," you go. If an officer asks you a question, you answer with this "am I being detained?" If they say "no," then you refuse to answer the question. If they say "yes," you say, "then I would like a lawyer present to represent me."

It's really simple: they can't ask you questions if you don't let them.

I think you know that the police have fought to keep those numbers from being kept at all. There is no national database that has numbers on innocent people shot by cops. I saw a news story about that just last week.
Cops aren't doctors. If a cop does their job properly and conscientiously, people don't often still die as a result. The same can't be said for Doctors. Also, Doctors don't break into your home and force surgery on you....EVER! ;-)
What the numbers DO clearly and definitively say is, in a meeting between a cop and a citizen, the cop is more than 10 times more likely to kill the citizen than the citizen is to kill the cop. That's outrageous under any circumstance.

Bluffing=lying. Respectfully, since you are now an admitted liar, how can you be trusted about anything?

I wish police would consider that before 'bluffing' citizens out of their rights, often by pretending they don't have any and hoping the citizen will follow what SEEMS like a 'legal command', but is really carefully worded to be a 'forceful request' that only sounds like a command.
Once you've 'bluffed' once, you are untrustworthy for life. Because so many (if not all) police 'bluff' remorselessly, shamelessly, and consistently, most people rightly don't trust ANY of them about anything.

I would prefer to buy my grass at the weed store in full daylight, legally. Sadly, right wing insanity and left wing fecklessness continues to perpetrate the disastrous 'drug war', which is really a militarization of the police and a war on Americans, not a war on drugs...no drugs have been sentenced or fined, but many people are. It's because of this situation that the black market exists, and those in it must protect themselves, because they can't call the police for help. That puts us all in danger...for less than nothing in return.

The courts have ruled that police officers can bluff. You can call it lying. Ever play poker?

Damn those courts again, right?

Immoral, disrespectful, and dishonorable behaviors are not necessarily illegal.

There may be a place for trickery in police work. That place is not "whenever you encounter someone with a frisbee golf bag". We share videos like this, because we see a pattern of excessive trickery and intimidation on the part of police. That needs to change, whether it is legislation, new policies, or enforcement of existing policies that ultimately bring this change.

Are you F*#@ing kidding me?!?
Bluffing in a GAME that ALL PARTICIPANTS VOLUNTEER to play where bluffing is PART OF THE GAME is not the same thing as accosting a citizen who's doing nothing and lying to them in order to trick them into letting you fuck their life up permanently. Consider some asshole doing that to your family, I am 100% certain your tune would change instantly.
...And yes, I've played poker, but I'm not good at it because I'm not good at 'fooling' people. I would never play with cops, they're professional liars.
Just stop talking dude, you're digging a hole you can't climb out of.
Less problem with the courts...FUCK THE POLICE!

yes,we call it lying.
and just because a court has deemed it acceptable does not change the truth that it is still lying.

Like a little bully who stands behind his parent who is defending them, while the bully, at the same time is mocking the other kid from behind their parent's back while they are saying, "My Tommy would never do that."

The courts are trusting you to use the laws morally and with just cause. Using it to trick innocent people or like has been said above to ruin people's lives for your own gain is incomprehensible.

@lantern53. I'm not sure how you can argue with people, and tell them they are wrong. This is your public. the people you swore to protect and serve. What went wrong with you that you have let go of the duty you started with and have come to think of the public as the enemy?
You would go a lot further in life to listen to people's concerns and take this attitude into the workplace and use it to help people. Help people in need and also help people see a better side of police.

We're here to add ideas, and to offer positive criticism (some of us) - the ones that are against you are the ones you've already pushed to far. You are worsening the problem by making even more people dislike police officers and the authority they abuse.

Only someone who shouldn't be trusted to put their trousers on in the morning would allow the law to develop without questioning its validity. You are literally and voluntarily giving up your right to self determination by doing so, and putting your future self determination in the hands of fallible lawmakers.

Why do you think that those in power are perfect? And if not, why do you keep acting like you do - i.e. trusting and allowing anything and everything they say to be your moral compass?

here, let me join you...FUCK THE POLICE!!!


happy?

You guys have a chip on your shoulder against authority and nothing I can say will change that.

Your cup is full.

meanwhile, I'll be over here doing my job.

what an odd dynamic here on the sift in regards to lantern.

many here (myself included) have seemed to put the mantle of responsibility squarely on lanterns shoulders,as if he represented ALL police....everywhere.

this is not only patently false,it is very unfair.

BUT....

and @lantern53 this is very important you understand this very crucial,pivotal point:

the outrage you see here playing out on the sift in regards to police abuse of power and authority (oftimes directed AT you) comes directly from a perspective on how we all view HOW a true police officer should behave.

we feel (i dont mean to speak for everyone..but im going to anyways) that those in a position of power and authority have to be held to a much higher standard than the rest of us.

why?

because they are in a position of power and authority!!!!

and to abuse that public trust.
be it by the use of violence or intimidation,is the greatest of all betrayals.

so when we see a cop abusing his powers,in whatever capacity,we become outraged and angered.
justifiably so in my opinion.

i know you like to poke the hornets nest from time to time and it gives you the giggles.
ok..thats fair enough...
but stop defending the indefensible.

as a police officer you should be the first one condemning those cops who have obviously stepped over the line.
i am willing to be that you have done just that in your time on the force.most cops i know do it that way.
police policing themselves in a roundabout way.

i have full confidence you are good at what you do and have built a skin so thick not much really phases you anymore,but stop defending those cops that are NOT good cops...they are a cancer on your institution and they make those of you who ARE good at what you do treated with suspicion and wariness.

so listen to those here who are telling you how they feel about the bad cops.these are not criticizing you in particular,so dont feel you have to defend every bad cop out there.

so just as you do not represent every cop on the planet,dont allow those bad cops define you.

we are counting on you to be better.

/rant off

Enoch, I agree with you 100%.

In my defense, I am not defending bad behavior or bad cops. They make the rest of us (the majority) look bad.

All I'm trying to do is bring some light to the subject. I have inside knowledge of how things are. There is another side to every story, which is one of the first thing a cop learns.

But there are a lot of rabid cop-haters out there (or gathered together in a cave and surfing videosift) who will never accept anything I say or try to see it from another perspective.

Bad cops are the exception, not the rule, which is my focus in these discussions.

When I say that courts have ruled that cops can lie, it doesn't mean cops go around lying to everyone. It means that during an investigation or investigative stop, you can bluff someone to reveal criminal behavior. The courts will certainly let you know that lying in court will result in your termination, the loss of your pension, your whole career.

I agree with you that cops should be held to a higher standard. I don't like fat cops, rude cops, aggressive cops. My favorite co-workers are those with a good sense of humor, self-deprecation and a common-sense perspective.

But whenever I make a comment on here, people just weave these incredible fabrications of corruption and accusation...eventually I think, fuck it, what a waste of time.

Then I take a break and I try it again. What a fool I am!

"i know you like to poke the hornets nest from time to time and it gives you the giggles.
ok..thats fair enough...
but stop defending the indefensible."

Isn't that the definition of trolling?

you're ONE cop out of hundreds of thousands.

you honestly think you CAN "represent" cops here? You think you SHOULD?

Who elected/appointed you? Why should we consider you credible in any way? Even if I had zero prior contact with you and my opinion of you was neutral or even the slightest bit positive, you're committing an appeal to authority fallacy. You just defended the notion that a cop can/should lie.

Once again, you have this problem with anecdotal evidence. You are ONE datapoint out of hundreds of thousands. You don't have this magic insight you claim to have. you...can only speak for...yourself. The cop in this video has already spoken for himself.

you have NO authority here. You're just like shinyblurry mindlessly quoting the bible as if it should mean something.

You're impotent

You just have to remember Lantern that there are two unwritten rules when it comes to Videosift commentary.

1. Never, in any way, show support for the police.
2. Never show support or defend religion.

If you do either of those things, you will be shat upon as if it was a downpour and you neglected to bring an umbrella. I admit, I will be one of the first to rip into someone over either if they don't have a logical argument; such as people defending Islam. But I am also aware that there are good cops and good religious people out there, they are just rarely videotaped because it lacks sensationalism.

Now I don't have all the information on this video, but I have been stopped in a similar situation many years ago for driving late at night in an expensive sports car. Why, you ask, incredulously? The cop was nice enough in my case to explain that the area I was leaving, having just come from a friend's house where we were playing xbox, was a known manufacturing area for meth. He asked why I was out so late, I told him. He asked if I had any drugs or dead bodies in the car in a joking fashion, I told him that he could clearly see everything in the car but the spare tire so I didn't. He told me the above thing about why he stopped me and let me go. Well, he also gave me a warning for not using a turn signal at a stop sign, but who really uses their turn signals all the time at 3am in the morning?

For my part, I would say this...
Often you at least SEEM to be defending bad behavior or bad cops. That's when I take issue. For instance, you just said it's fine for cops to 'bluff' or lie to gain compliance, or as an investigative tool. Many people, like me, would say that IS bad behavior, the kind only done by bad people/bad cops.
EDIT: When you clearly denounce bad cops and/or their actions, you often get an upvote from me.
I would suggest that you have inside knowledge of how it looks from your perspective, just as we have an 'inside knowledge' of how it looks from ours. We are sharing our perspectives with each other. Neither of us owns the 'truth'.

"Truth" is an idea in the mind of a crazy person...but you don't need to know the "truth" in order to not lie. -Mr. Newt Sr. (dad)

I must think you put me in the rabid cop hater set, but you would be wrong. (please see the 'tough cop does good' video I posted as proof) I don't even feel 'hatred' towards you at all (maybe frustration), I just often disagree strongly with your position. I simply WANT to hold cops to a higher standard and to feel it's proper to give them more respect, not a lower standard than ordinary citizens without authority, a standard which deserves and garners no respect. When too many cops are liars, thugs, thieves, and a vast majority of the rest are protectors of liars thugs and thieves, that's impossible for me and others to do. That hurts 'good cops' more than anyone, but please realize it's the bad cops that did it to you, and they are the one's to be blamed, we are simply reacting to them in understandable ways out of self preservation.
We are seeing that bad cops are less of an exception than previously thought. When we are getting 10+ new abuse videos a week, there's been an escalation in this 'bad behavior' or 'bad cops' that has yet to be addressed, and the only one's that can address it properly are other cops. My position has always been that the perpetrators of these abuses are a minority (I hope), but they are supported and protected by near the entirety of the force. Until that changes completely, you must understand you are in a close group that's looking worse and worse daily to the public you 'serve', and offering less and less benefit to us. If you look at it from that position, you will understand the frustration and anger you often receive here.

To me, if you believe you can lie (bluff, trick, obfuscate the truth, intentionally misdirect, whatever you wish to call the lie) to get evidence or compliance with your wishes, you are a liar. Period. If you do it once, you are a liar. If you do it often, you are a habitual liar. If you do it in court, you are a perjurer. Cops are caught lying in court all the time and rarely if ever see any consequence, certainly not one the public sees. To me, I think it's important that they should be prosecuted publicly to the fullest extent of the law EVERY time, because it's a dereliction of duty and an abuse of power that damages the entire force and to an extent, society (by damaging trust in authority), on top of the crime of perjury, and every time it happens 'good' cops get less and less respect and trust. If only good cops were as upset about it as we are, they (you?) would do something to change the culture and stop ANY abuse you might see, not excuse and explain it away.
Just my 2 cents.

Tough guy cop makes good has been added as a related post - related requested by newtboy.

Mordhaus, we are on the same page.

A lot of what I write is intended for those who just read but don't comment. I am trying to reach those who would like an insight. Many here have come to their own immovable attitude.

your position is quite immovable....so that doesn't say much about you either.

you don't have to change your mind...but we do? that's rather selfish.

you conflate any criticism of any cop with judging all cops, which is a bullshit argument. There are lots of videos here that demonstrate good, professional cops.

Not only that but every single criticism of a cop on this sift is backed up with a video demonstrating first hand evidence of a cop behaving badly. Where's your evidence to refute it? "just trust me?" Yeah, that doesn't cut it along with your admission that its ok for a cop to lie.

You dance back and forth from being an internet tough guy to pretending that you're so victimized by the people on this site that you voluntarily visit and comment on. You're giving us all whiplash.

"A lot of what I write is intended for those who just read but don't comment"

Then you've come to the wrong site sonny. Once again, you've made a very dumb mistake.

Bullshit. I have done both of those things and haven't been even lightly pooed on.

The difference is that I don't show support for police when they're clearly in the wrong (or at the very least I offer them the benefit of the doubt), and I don't support or defend bigotry, abuse or charlatanism in the guise of religion.

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