Corporate media, and their well paid "reporters" should be shot.

Breaking News:
Mother away from her kids for more than five minutes, and probably shacking up with fellow protestors! Shame shame, everybody knows your name!

Meanwhile the wealthy hire people to look after their kids, and who knows how much time they actually spend with them.

Man, a simple upvote is not enough for this comment.

Two upvotes. Four. A dozen.

>> ^Phreezdryd:

Corporate media, and their well paid "reporters" should be shot.
Breaking News:
Mother away from her kids for more than five minutes, and probably shacking up with fellow protestors! Shame shame, everybody knows your name!
Meanwhile the wealthy hire people to look after their kids, and who knows how much time they actually spend with them.

To quote a true American, "Fuck That Shit!"

This story is featured in the Worst Persons on Countdown tonight.
http://videosift.com/video/Worst-Persons-Countdown-10-24-2011

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The modern news media is just a vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity.

No wait, that's Goldman Sachs.

The modern news media is the vampire squid's public relations representative.

Oh, you don't like the vampire squid? Well, then you must be a bad mother, and an unfaithful wife...

>> ^bareboards2:

Man, a simple upvote is not enough for this comment.
Two upvotes. Four. A dozen.
>> ^Phreezdryd:
Corporate media, and their well paid "reporters" should be shot.
Breaking News:
Mother away from her kids for more than five minutes, and probably shacking up with fellow protestors! Shame shame, everybody knows your name!
Meanwhile the wealthy hire people to look after their kids, and who knows how much time they actually spend with them.


You're too kind. I just can't get over how they've zeroed in on this one person and gotten super petty about it. And as Olbermann mentions in another video, the usual right wing suspects are trying a number of discrediting tactics, all lame of course.

Good on her. Hell, bring the kids. Would be a great experience for them. In fact, bring a whole bunch of kids. Set up a community school. See how keen the cops are to get violent then....

This is really sad. And of course she fits their stereotype of a hippy so there is no going back now... just like when the police unjustly beat protesters and when the images hit the media the protesters are subconsciously in the wrong and the story is forever spun.

I considered being shocked, but then realised nothing they do shocks me any more.

Just... wow...

Fuck the "news" media. We have the Internet.

You mean media DISTORTS things, possibly for ratings?

Like when Tea Partiers were framed by the libmedia as racists who wanted to overthrow the government.

I don't see here is any real denying that she's (A) left her family to (B) hang out with a bunch of hippies. 'Left' doesn't mean she has divorced or seperated. It just means she's out doing an activity. Families do things like that all the time, and as long as the husband is on-board with it, supportive, and things have been arranged to have been taken care of while she's gone then fine. What's the problem?

However - what if the husband WASN'T exactly on board with this? What if she just told him "I'm going" and then upped and took off without making arrangements or otherwise taking the steps to make sure her kids were looked after? What if she just really wanted to go be part of this OWS thing, ran out the door, and expected other people to pick up the slack 'indefinitely' as she puts it? I'd say that's quite another story, and I would also agree with F&F that a person who does such a thing is scum. Family comes first.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/she_plans_to_stray_awhile_opuo0dDOjE39dfRDdUZ1sM

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/awol_fla_mom_off_wall_39RPeFcS8xHypyOrCbeh4I

None of the news I've seen so far has obtained the words of the husband. All references to him and the kids are second or third-hand "they said" kind of stuff. I'd be interested to have someone in the media talk to the husband and get his official story about what happened. The interviews with this woman don't inspire confidence in her reasoning capabilities. She seems high-strung, combative, highly emotional, and subject to outbursts. I'd rather get the opinion of someone a bit more steady. Maybe she's right. Maybe she's full of crap. I don't know. What's the husband got to say? The only quote I've seen of his says that he is "puzzled". That doesn't exactly tell me what he really thinks, whether they planned this, or whether he is supportive or not. It implies that he doesn't really have any interest in OWS, but not much else.

>> ^NetRunner:

The modern news media is just a vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity.
No wait, that's Goldman Sachs.
The modern news media is the vampire squid's public relations representative.
Oh, you don't like the vampire squid? Well, then you must be a bad mother, and an unfaithful wife...


Actually, I feel you are being disrespectful to the vampire squid. It is actually a very cool animal, unlike these douches...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_squid

@Winstonfield_Pennypacker, you raise some good points. I would be interested in hearing directly from the husband, also.

What you are ignoring, however, is how it is implied she is having an affair with a co-OWS. At the choice of language used by Fox and Friends (I couldn't link that, I recommend clicking through and listening to how she is portrayed on that show.) She is "disgusting"?

I love reasonableness. However, you are ignoring the unreasonableness of the original report. "Subject to outbursts"? Are you shitting me? She isn't trained in dealing with the media, trained to tamp down a natural response to being attacked like she was.

What you are ignoring, however, is how it is implied she is having an affair with a co-OWS.

I'm not entirely sure of the timeline, but at the time of the F&F broadcast there appeared to be rumors that was the case. So it can be said that F&F didn't do the due diligence to get the truth of it before flapping thier yaps. All they knew was this chick 'left' her family to stay in an OWS tent city with a strange man.

"Subject to outbursts"? Are you ****ting me? She isn't trained in dealing with the media, trained to tamp down a natural response to being attacked like she was

If I wanted to go to some event 'thing' then I would bloody well make sure in advance that my wife, kids, and other close family/friends were aware of what I was up doing. I'd have had a schedule, a map, a budget, a place to stay, money, and supplies. I'd have had a solid 'I'm done' day my spouse was well aware of so she wouldn't worry. And if something came up, I'd ditch the event instantly and go home because that's where parents/spouses belong. To me the most damning thing in this whole story is that Hippie-Chick McProtest is still in NYC. A normal person who isn't an idiot doesn't stay to hang around a bunch of strangers when her family is having a situation.

Because this is how NORMAL people roll. We make sure our spouses are cool before we go anywhere. We don't do stupid things that give the wrong impressions. If someone accuses us of something fishy, the first thing we do is go back to their family to make sure things are OK. It is called common sense. When a NORMAL person gets confronted with a report that they have abandoned thier family they have the truth and facts on thier side to give them everything they need to respond with the trained aplomb of an expert. Something like...

"I deny the false reports and misrepresentations of my behavior. I have not abandoned my family. I planned this event in advance, with my spouse's approval, and I have taken all precautions to care for my family in my temporary absence. Any reports that suggests otherwise are either misinformed or false. I can provide you with the contact information for my spouse, friends, and other individuals who are well aware of my intentions and can verify my statements."

I frankly find it very strange that we have not heard one peep from the husband. Neither have we heard from neighbors, co-workers, or whatever. The only articles I've seen from people that know her say she's a flaky hippie-wannabe. And the "Waiter" sure didn't do her any favors with his stupid response. He might as well have said, "Yeah - she's 'keeping me warm' nights!"

>> ^NetRunner:

The modern news media is just a vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity.
No wait, that's Goldman Sachs.
The modern news media is the vampire squid's public relations representative.
Oh, you don't like the vampire squid? Well, then you must be a bad mother, and an unfaithful wife...


Speaking of Goldman Sachs, I wonder what they're up to right now...

I would like to add something about this mother who's working hard to protest and making her world better and getting crap for it. A woman named Asmaa Mahfouz did the same thing in Egypt, she sparked a youth movement with a video one week before the Egyptian Revolution. Her video is already posted on here...

http://videosift.com/video/Asmaa-Mahfouz-and-the-vlog-that-Helped-Spark-the-Revolution.

Or how about Tawakel Karman mother of three and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate (first Arab woman) for her heading of the "Women Journalist without Chains" organization. As well as her involvement in the Arab Spring and being the public face of the Yemeni Uprising. Her family supports her even when she is away from home. A video of her on Democracy Now is here.

http://videosift.com/video/Tawakel-Karman-Nobel-Laureate-on-Democracy-Now

What I'm pointing out is these women in Muslim countries are protesting and working hard to make their countries better. To fight a corrupt system, and I'm sure they're getting a lot of pushback for being women, sometimes needing protection because they're women. This is what's happening in the US as well, we are no better. We're mocking women for standing up and telling them this is not their place, their place is at home. Well No! These women didn't believe that and they succeeded in doing GREAT THINGS! This woman is fighting for something great as well and she needs our support but mostly she needs morons like the media to stop telling her where she SHOULD be. She knows exactly where she should be!

>> ^Yogi:

I would like to add something about this mother who's working hard to protest and making her world better and getting crap for it. A woman named Asmaa Mahfouz did the same thing in Egypt, she sparked a youth movement with a video one week before the Egyptian Revolution. Her video is already posted on here...
http://videosift.com/video/Asmaa-Mahfouz-and-the-vlog-th
at-Helped-Spark-the-Revolution.
Or how about Tawakel Karman mother of three and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate (first Arab woman) for her heading of the "Women Journalist without Chains" organization. As well as her involvement in the Arab Spring and being the public face of the Yemeni Uprising. Her family supports her even when she is away from home. A video of her on Democracy Now is here.
http://videosift.com/video/Tawakel-Karman-Nobel-Laureate-on-Democracy
-Now
What I'm pointing out is these women in Muslim countries are protesting and working hard to make their countries better. To fight a corrupt system, and I'm sure they're getting a lot of pushback for being women, sometimes needing protection because they're women. This is what's happening in the US as well, we are no better. We're mocking women for standing up and telling them this is not their place, their place is at home. Well No! These women didn't believe that and they succeeded in doing GREAT THINGS! This woman is fighting for something great as well and she needs our support but mostly she needs morons like the media to stop telling her where she SHOULD be. She knows exactly where she should be!


@Yogi,

I have never enjoyed a comment of your so much before.

Hear, hear and three cheers for Yogi!!

It seems like this particular news story was trying to expose some of the fallacies of the foxnews/NYpost piece. That said, this lady has every right to be furious about the original stories.

Is there any law that allows her to sue (faux/NYpost) for defamation of character for being misrepresented?

>> ^notarobot:

Is there any law that allows her to sue (faux/NYpost) for defamation of character for being misrepresented?


Besides the tone ofthe piece, How was she misrepresented?

You know what mothers haven't "abandoned" their families?

Westboro Baptist moms, who take their children with them as they travel the country. Having them hold those signs, teaching them their protest song. Now there's a good cause. Teaching their children a special brand of family values. And the kids aren't abandoned! What could be more admirable?

No, he doesn't. What he does is try and increase doubt to a level that becomes a passive ad hominem attack. Then he hopes that either he's proven right or the discussion dies before he's proven wrong. Either way his assumptive crap has changed at least your mind, which is unfortunate.

Assuming facts not in evidence, your honor.

>> ^bareboards2:

@Winstonfield_Pennypacker, you raise some good points. I would be interested in hearing directly from the husband, also.
What you are ignoring, however, is how it is implied she is having an affair with a co-OWS. At the choice of language used by Fox and Friends (I couldn't link that, I recommend clicking through and listening to how she is portrayed on that show.) She is "disgusting"?
I love reasonableness. However, you are ignoring the unreasonableness of the original report. "Subject to outbursts"? Are you shitting me? She isn't trained in dealing with the media, trained to tamp down a natural response to being attacked like she was.

Ah. You clearly don't know me. I was being polite

Although I would like at least some semblance of journalism, following up leads, etc. That is a pet peeve of mine.

Did you miss the "are you shitting me"? That was me not being polite.




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No, he doesn't. What he does is try and increase doubt to a level that becomes a passive ad hominem attack. Then he hopes that either he's proven right or the discussion dies before he's proven wrong. Either way his assumptive crap has changed at least your mind, which is unfortunate.
Assuming facts not in evidence, your honor.
>> ^bareboards2:
@Winstonfield_Pennypacker, you raise some good points. I would be interested in hearing directly from the husband, also.
What you are ignoring, however, is how it is implied she is having an affair with a co-OWS. At the choice of language used by Fox and Friends (I couldn't link that, I recommend clicking through and listening to how she is portrayed on that show.) She is "disgusting"?
I love reasonableness. However, you are ignoring the unreasonableness of the original report. "Subject to outbursts"? Are you shitting me? She isn't trained in dealing with the media, trained to tamp down a natural response to being attacked like she was.

I think you've dismissed the tone too readily. And also the content.

The article tells us:
She is "obsessed" and "abandon[ed] [her] family" to "[cozy] up to some like-minded radicals". She is "otherwise 'occupied'" and "plans to stray awhile". She is "keeping herself warm at night with the help of a young waiter". In the morning "the pair... woke up... on their little patch of paving stone... and dashed off... to wash up." Her slogan is to "Make Love Not War".

I'm pretty sure there is some defamation of character in there somewhere.

>> ^marinara:

>> ^notarobot:
Is there any law that allows her to sue (faux/NYpost) for defamation of character for being misrepresented?

Besides the tone ofthe piece, How was she misrepresented?

This really pisses me off.

Who gives a shit what this woman is doing? Did she commit a crime? If so get the authorities to deal with her. My bet is she hasn't done anything illegal otherwise that's what they would have led the story with. Instead they try and suggest that she is an immoral person with skewed priorities and not just to discredit her as a person but to discredit the movement as a whole by suggesting that this is the typical type of person who is participating in the OWS protests. No doubt in an effort to put a taint on it with the intent of warding away other people who might be considering joining in.

I am sure that the corporate sleazeballs who orchestrated this travesty of a story thought that this would be a typical conversation once people saw the moronic story about this woman...

"Hey Bob, where are you headed?"
"Well Bill I am heading to the OWS protest because those filthy banker bastards foreclosed on my house and put my family in the street."
"Oh Bob, you don't want to do that. Don't you realize that only promiscuous, child abandoning hippies are down there?"
"Wow, no I didn't! Thanks for saving me from embarrassing myself."

Idiotic.

I would bet that they would find all kinds of horrible people down there protesting if they looked for them, but to what end? Every individual has a different story but that has no bearing on the purpose of the protest. As Phreezdryd suggested, perhaps the media needs to look at the 1% and see how many of them have abandoned, abused, or cheated on their loved ones. If it is a battle of morality they want to have then put me down for 10 bucks on the OWS protesters.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
I frankly find it very strange that we have not heard one peep from the husband. Neither have we heard from neighbors, co-workers, or whatever. The only articles I've seen from people that know her say she's a flaky hippie-wannabe. And the "Waiter" sure didn't do her any favors with his stupid response. He might as well have said, "Yeah - she's 'keeping me warm' nights!"
The paragraphs you have dedicated to this non-story show that you are exactly the type of drone these assholes are trying to stir up in the first place.



You are worrying about shit that doesn't matter, you have no idea what you are talking about, and it's none of your business anyway. She is one of thousands sacrificing who-knows-what to be there and support OWS. She is there doing what she believes in. You aren't. She wins.

Lindsey Lohan hit her head on her garage door. Shouldn't you be on TMZ awaiting updates?

Come on man, I know you're not just a troll like quantum; but this is just a ridiculous stance to take. The story isn't about how this mother did or did not coordinate going to the protest with her family but how the media is exploiting one person and her family to push their agenda... just like they always do except it's really really blatantly obvious now. Let's be honest, it's none of our business wether or not this woman left her family with their consent or not -- that's between her, her husband and her children; it's pathetic when the media turns it into this jerry spingereque b.s. story -- which they do all the time by either promoting someone to absurd standards or demoting them to subhuman levels, whatever will adequately reinforce the story they're trying to sell.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

What you are ignoring, however, is how it is implied she is having an affair with a co-OWS.
I'm not entirely sure of the timeline, but at the time of the F&F broadcast there appeared to be rumors that was the case. So it can be said that F&F didn't do the due diligence to get the truth of it before flapping thier yaps. All they knew was this chick 'left' her family to stay in an OWS tent city with a strange man.
"Subject to outbursts"? Are you ting me? She isn't trained in dealing with the media, trained to tamp down a natural response to being attacked like she was
If I wanted to go to some event 'thing' then I would bloody well make sure in advance that my wife, kids, and other close family/friends were aware of what I was up doing. I'd have had a schedule, a map, a budget, a place to stay, money, and supplies. I'd have had a solid 'I'm done' day my spouse was well aware of so she wouldn't worry. And if something came up, I'd ditch the event instantly and go home because that's where parents/spouses belong. To me the most damning thing in this whole story is that Hippie-Chick McProtest is still in NYC. A normal person who isn't an idiot doesn't stay to hang around a bunch of strangers when her family is having a situation.
Because this is how NORMAL people roll. We make sure our spouses are cool before we go anywhere. We don't do stupid things that give the wrong impressions. If someone accuses us of something fishy, the first thing we do is go back to their family to make sure things are OK. It is called common sense. When a NORMAL person gets confronted with a report that they have abandoned thier family they have the truth and facts on thier side to give them everything they need to respond with the trained aplomb of an expert. Something like...
"I deny the false reports and misrepresentations of my behavior. I have not abandoned my family. I planned this event in advance, with my spouse's approval, and I have taken all precautions to care for my family in my temporary absence. Any reports that suggests otherwise are either misinformed or false. I can provide you with the contact information for my spouse, friends, and other individuals who are well aware of my intentions and can verify my statements."
I frankly find it very strange that we have not heard one peep from the husband. Neither have we heard from neighbors, co-workers, or whatever. The only articles I've seen from people that know her say she's a flaky hippie-wannabe. And the "Waiter" sure didn't do her any favors with his stupid response. He might as well have said, "Yeah - she's 'keeping me warm' nights!"

What WPP does is try and increase doubt to a level that becomes a passive ad hominem attack.

Nope - I view the story from as many angles as possible, come to a conclusion, and then state my perspective from a position of informed certitude. I know this infuriates prog-libs, but I make no apologies for it.

Then that would clearly discredit all the protests worldwide

No - it would not discredit OWS. However, it would supply evidence that Mrs. McProtester was the kind of person Fox News said she was.

Who gives a &&&& what this woman is doing?

Her family, perhaps? A parent has responsibilities and obligations beyond their own selfish whims. If a person ditches thier responsibility without the family's explicit leave then others are not out of place for saying she lacks character. What is needed is more information - specifically the husband's side of the story. What cursory evidence we have seems to suggest that she left for OWS and her family was not exactly cool with it (IE reports that her husband is 'puzzled'). But without more data nothing definitive can be said.

The paragraphs you have dedicated to this non-story show that you are exactly the type of drone these $$$holes are trying to stir up in the first place.

I've observed OWS and reached a reasoned conclusion that they're a bunch of prog-lib dupes and union astroturf who are mad at the wrong people. They have no plan, and many of them are attempting to agitate anger, resentment, and (in some cases) violence. I put it to you that it is more accurate to say that YOU are exactly the kind of drone that OWS is trying to stir up.

You are worrying about &&&& that doesn't matter, you have no idea what you are talking about, and it's none of your business anyway. She is one of thousands sacrificing who-knows-what to be there and support OWS. She is there doing what she believes in.

Family solidarity and fidelity matters. I know exactly what I'm talking about. Her true character is as yet undetermined. I live what I believe in every day.

The story isn't about how this mother did or did not coordinate going to the protest with her family but how the media is exploiting one person and her family to push their agenda... just like they always do except it's really really blatantly obvious now.

I think that prog-libs are seeing things that don't exist with this crazy 'push their agenda' foolishness. This is Fox & Friends. It's a morning 'chatting idiots' show like Good Morning America. Look - just because someone on TV says something that is not flush with YOUR political perspective does not mean there is some sinister master agenda that seeks to undermine you.

There are multiple media studies that show the news media - as a whole - is far more slanted left than it is right - and that even FOX news isn't anywhere near as 'right wing' as prog-libs think it is. But even I don't think there the leftist slant is some 'agenda' the news media has. I think that the news media is simply populated by prog-libs who pick stories and portray them from a left-wing bias because that's how they think things are.

When a prob-lib journalist sees a bunch of prog-lib OWS protesters, they feel sympathy for them and report accordingly. When they see a bunch of conservative Tea-Party protestors, they despise them and report accordingly. And that's exactly how it all went down. The media mostly treats OWS with kid gloves and slobbers all over them because leftist like them. But the Tea Party was 'conservative', and so it got no such softshoe treatment. The TP has been entirely peaceful. Not one cop has been injured. Not once have they had to be tear gassed, or 'evicted', or otherwise cause trouble. But to the media they were a bunch of dangerous, evil, racist, thugs. But that isn't the media's 'agenda'. It is a result of thier perception bias.

For example - let's say you are a typical prog-lib. Compared to the national 'average', a prog-lib is way left of center. If we use a 100 point scale where 1 means "liberal" and 100 means "conservative" then a prog-lib is way down in the teens or twenties. So they see the world from that perspective, and their friend do too. So when they encounter an opinion that is actually "moderate" (say 50 on the scale) they see it as "right-wing" because it is so far to the right of themselves.

When you occupy a far-left opinion, pretty much ANYTHING you encounter other than similarly far-left opinions appears to be radical "neo-con" right-wing extremism. In reality, that is totally untrue, and most of the stuff they see as 'right-wing' is actually centrist. So when Fox & Friends expresses the rather centrist opinion that a woman who abandons her family is a bad person, prog-lib hackles go up because the woman is a fellow prog-lib and such a moralization is clearly some sort of 'right wing' agenda seeking to undermine the OWS group you empathize with.

"state my perspective from a position of informed certitude".

I'd say that's the problem right there. The black and white thinking of someone much more on the conservative end of things than I think you are admitting to.

I do appreciate you wanting more facts. However, you didn't wait for them before opining.

I think the main point was -- why do you need any facts at all about this woman? It's one woman who gave one print interview who ended up smeared on national television. And you have soooo many opinions about her lack of character based on a few minutes of video.

I'd say that's the problem right there. The black and white thinking of someone much more on the conservative end of things than I think you are admitting to.

I've never said I wasn't conservative. I've said many times that I'm quite fiscally conservative, socially liberal, libertarian leaning, and a constitutional constructionist. But I certainly do not ascribe to the kind of moral relativism where everyting is 'grey' and there is no right or wrong. If that makes me 'conservative' then so be it.

However, you didn't wait for them before opining.

This woman's story hit almost 2 weeks ago. I waited over a week before saying a peep, but when I did hear about it I tried to find out more data.

I think the main point was -- why do you need any facts at all about this woman?

Because in order to properly judge F&F you need to know the facts. F&F is guilty of nothing except judging the gal based on what data they had at the time. At the time, the reports were "this woman left her family and is shacking up with some OWS dude". They jumped the gun because they didn't have "the facts" and you are saying "why do we need any facts?" Uh - we need the fact so we can form a proper conclusion about her. Dur. If her family is cool with what she did - more power to her. If they aren't - then she is - in fact - a slimeball.

And you have soooo many opinions about her lack of character based on a few minutes of video.

If you read carefully, you'll note I've never stated my opinion about HER. I've always said, "if". If she did this... If her husband was... If. I have stated my opinions about what she did "IF". There's a difference.

Socially liberal?

Bullshit.

And I say that after viewing you from as many angles as possible, coming to a conclusion, and then stating my perspective from a position of informed certitude.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'stacy hessler, mom of four, ows, defamed' to 'stacy hessler, wayward wife, mom of four, ows, defamed' - edited by calvados

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Blah, blah, blah, calling people names as though I'm still in first grade, and making shit up that might or might-not be possible and then acting like it was somehow research...


Anyone who has kids and a soul would be highly cautious of ever reporting a story like this. "Jumping the gun" is an absolutely pathetic excuse for for mis-reporting the facts in a case that doesn't need to be urgently reported on. They could have taken their time, but they didn't because they aren't reporting facts. They are presenting an agenda.

Believe it or not, some people that disagree with you actually still believe that what they do is important. And some people feel that they have a responsibility to do what is important to them. This woman might believe that she is fighting for her children's very future, that "the enemy is at the gates" so to speak. Just because she's not holding a rifle doesn't mean that she's not fighting a war.

To bring this woman's children into a discussion with no facts is abuse. Using them as a weapon against her harms them as much as it harms her. No wonder she's angry, attacking children is viewed by many in this society as one of the lowest things a person can do.

Look. Lets get this straight. There is an obvious smear campaign going on. Rather than airing, openly discussing, and trying to come to terms with the complaints of the many thousands of protesters out there all around the US and the globe, the new media decides to post smear articles about specific individuals.

The mainstream media doesn't want a dialog. They don't want to come to an understanding of what this movement is about. They just want to shut it down because the government doesn't like it, and the news media fears retribution by regulators when it comes time for them to renew their licenses. Its all about greed and self preservation of the corporate profit structure.

That woman should file a slander suit and kick that paper's ass. Facts are facts. If they had facts to back up their accusations. Fine. But they don't. It is bullshit. The reporter(s) and editor involved in the article should now be fired and made into a public spectacle. She then needs to hope whatever judge she ends up with isn't bought off or appointed by a political figure who is anti-OWS.

Socially liberal? Bull...

Like most leftists, you probably approach this from the biased perception of your own political position. You occupy a much further 'left' position than I do, therefore your perception bais tells you that I am not 'left' because I am to the right of yourself. However, you must simply accept the reality that your position is much further left than the national average.

As a person with libertarian leanings, I have the socially liberal position that abortion is the choice of the individual - not the government. I also tend to agree that the war on drugs is not really government's proper role, but that the states should be allowed to legalize some drugs for medicinal purposes. Quite a few of my political positions are 'liberal' or 'centrist' because I come from a consistent position that it is not the government's role to limit the freedoms of citizens.

Anyone who has kids and a soul would be highly cautious of ever reporting a story like this. "Jumping the gun" is an absolutely pathetic excuse for for mis-reporting the facts in a case that doesn't need to be urgently reported on

Well, first we don't know if they 'mis-reported'. That's an allegation. Regardless, since when has that ever stopped the media? Waiting for the 'facts' is not a habit of the news media in general and is in no way limited to either Fox & Friends, or this woman's story. I don't dispute that implies that the news media has no soul. But if we harp on it, then fairness demands equal harping on news outlet who discusses anything without the facts first. If we don't do that, but reserve our outrage only for cases for persons whom we ideologically sympathize with, then what does that say?

There is an obvious smear campaign going on. Rather than airing, openly discussing, and trying to come to terms with the complaints of the many thousands of protesters out there all around the US and the globe, the new media decides to post smear articles about specific individuals.

The OWS hippies have no 'terms' or 'complaints' or other specific 'demands' that they are willing to articulate. There are other videos and comments on the sift on how BRILLIANT OWS is because they refuse to have a leader, a position, a platform, or anything else that pins them down. Please tell me how anyone is supposed to have a meaningful dialog with a group that has no set of real complaints to address?

Regardless, the OWS movement is not the subject of a 'smear'. If anything, the bulk of the news media is engaged in massive cover-ups of thier daily crimes and abuses. There isn't a day that goes by now where there aren't reports of sexual abuse, rapes, theft, violence, arrests, property damage, and other violations of the law. Even Bloomberg - who has gone out of his way to slobber all over OWS - is starting to say they are going to have to take steps to deal with thier crimes and disruption. No one needs to smear OWS falsely. They do just fine smearing themselves.

Your logic is impeccable. Since you hold a "liberal" opinion or two, it makes you a liberal. Never mind the rest of te garbage you spew which runs directly counter to anything remotely "liberal."

And your "position of informed certitude" excuse is indeed crap, considering I haven't even been a member long enough for you to know for certain what my political position is.

Just admit you're a dyed in the wool republican trying to hide in libertarian sheeps clothing. At least then I might have a shred of respect for what you believe.

Nah, that last part was a lie.

Recipe for disaster...
>> ^ChaosEngine:

Good on her. Hell, bring the kids. Would be a great experience for them. In fact, bring a whole bunch of kids. Set up a community school. See how keen the cops are to get violent then....