Big upvote!!

Powerful stuff. Challenged from within.

God I hate Republicans.

A Muslim Republican is even more confused than a Gay Republican.

^ hah!

Now, if only those people actually listened to what McCain and Palin are saying themselves that's essentially the same, and got them to stop it, or lose their vote, it'd be even better.

"A Muslim Republican is even more confused than a Gay Republican."

Maybe they fantasize about being Saudi oil barons.

democracy in action i suppose... it's comforting to see that the fringe gets clipped off the edge of the rug every so often.

and for the record, i would have been just as happy to see the same thing happen in some obama rally. the left isn't immune to wingnuts!

where was this at? anyone know?

Hurray for bigoted Christian wingnuts being shut the hell down! Hurray for reasonable Republicans to give it to them!

As much as I applaud their intent on trying to educate the mccain supporters that think muslim is evil.. they seem to lack the intelligence to do so. I mean.. "I'm not gonna say anything cause I know how the press loves to distort things" ? Its freaking ANP, not fox news ya dumb bitch. If you have something to say, say it, otherwise get off my lawn. And the head talker not wanting to give his name? Sounds like someone didn't think his strategy through completely. You don't inform other people if you don't talk to them.

Wow. That's some pretty epic ownage laid down right there.

I could just about kiss that McCain representative. It takes some cajones to speak out for what is right in the face of what represents a sadly large, yet misinformed group of McCain supporters.

I'll still vote for Obama, but I'm really glad to see videos that show that being a Republican doesn't mean you're an idiot.

It's not unconstitutional to express your negative opinions concerning another religion. This points to the principal flaw with most American men and women, their presuppositions. They believe that their rights were created by the constitution, and the government it describes. This eventually results in the need for every facet of life to be spelled out and authorized by the legislature.

Whereas if you understood what the constitution itself clearly states, that rights are inherent, fundamental, and come from God Himself, you would not need a government to tell you how to live. You could, with your own conscience, seek out God, study His Laws and His Nature, and live accordingly.

What Wax66 said. I agree entirely.

"I don't want to say, because I know how the press can report things."

report = distort, if you strongly disagree with what you said.

Its good to see some trying to put some weight on this, it's sad because if you are Republican you are getting tarred with this brush. I Don't like at all what McCain and Palin stand for, If you want to support McCain, it's sad that the bigoted racists have crept out of the closet for this one...and that includes the McCain campaign.

Islam = Terror Obama = Islam (if you believe fox news) therefore Obama is a terrorist
That Robocall call shit they are pulling is disgusting...


Oh, and check your facts. It appears you 'reported' the facts...

Muslim McCain supporter? What's next? A quick jog up Everest followed by pole-vaulting to the Space Station?

>> ^Sniper007:
It's not unconstitutional to express your negative opinions concerning another religion. This points to the principal flaw with most American men and women, their presuppositions. They believe that their rights were created by the constitution, and the government it describes. This eventually results in the need for every facet of life to be spelled out and authorized by the legislature.
Whereas if you understood what the constitution itself clearly states, that rights are inherent, fundamental, and come from God Himself, you would not need a government to tell you how to live. You could, with your own conscience, seek out God, study His Laws and His Nature, and live accordingly.


But you're missing a few things:
a) Obama is not Muslim
b) Even if he was, religion shouldn't be a deciding factor in electing anyone to office
c) Religion should be completely distanced from politics. You should be able to practice whatever religion you chose, but it should not inform your decisions, your decisions should be governed by logic and morals.
d) Your twisted logic seems to think that God on high is the supreme giver of laws. You can be free to live that way, but it should NEVER govern the laws of the state, NEVER. Religion has no part in politics or government.

NONE

>> ^Sniper007:
It's not unconstitutional to express your negative opinions concerning another religion. This points to the principal flaw with most American men and women, their presuppositions. They believe that their rights were created by the constitution, and the government it describes. This eventually results in the need for every facet of life to be spelled out and authorized by the legislature.
Whereas if you understood what the constitution itself clearly states, that rights are inherent, fundamental, and come from God Himself, you would not need a government to tell you how to live. You could, with your own conscience, seek out God, study His Laws and His Nature, and live accordingly.


The last bit sounds like the Divine command theory, which is flawed.

By that logic, one seems to make the attribution of 'goodness' to God redundant. When we say, 'god is good' we think, (at least I do) that we are ascribing a property to God but if 'good' simply means 'what god commands or wills' then no property is being attributed. The statement 'god is good' merely means 'god does whatever he wills to do' or 'god practices what he preaches' and the statement 'god commands us to what is good' merely meats the tautology 'god commands us to do what god commands us to do'

Sorry but I rather think of morality as not being arbitrary, even if at some point the omnipotence of God seems compromised.

"Is the Good good Because God Wills It? Or Does God Will It because It Is Good? "
Like I said, I agree more with the latter of that quote than with the former.

And I could also argue the following:

"...Principal flaw with most American men and women, their presuppositions. They believe that their rights were created by God, This eventually results in the need for every facet of life to be spelled out and authorized by the Bible.

Whereas if you could consider the possibility that morality does not come from God Himself, but that he would know what perfect virtue is because he is a perfect being, in the same way he follows logic, for if he dictated what was logic and what is not, you could have 1+1=6 and a triangle of 7 sides, his attribute of perfection would be invalid. If this is so, one can argue, that you do not need religion or God to tell you how to live. You could, with your own conscience, and reason and critical thinking, use logic and study Ethics, discover what is virtue and live accordingly."

If there really was a God On High, who was perfect and lovely, absolutely it would be correct to govern exclusively according to his laws. The argument isn't "religion is inherently inapplicable to politics," it's "your beliefs are stupid and wrong, and you should shut the fuck up forever."

Theists have no place in government because they're empty valueless animals, not because they want to follow a perfectly logical progression of behaviour from an absurd premise.

real republicans get a bad rap because of their association with christian fundamentalist.

The truth is in times of prosperity there is a valid argument to be made about being fiscally conservative, and having a tempered isolationist foreign policy.

I just don't agree with the rest of their platform.

This actually makes me very *happy.

Adding video to channels (Happy) - requested by Fjnbk.

Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week. Which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it.

Upvote for hope. Nice to see rational republicans take a stand.

Glad to see some McCain/Palin supporters *trying* to be sensible and reasonable, And without Palin on the ticket, they would have my sympathy.

I also have mixed feelings about the wackoes in this video, on the one hand, Obama is neither muslim or communist, so they are just plain lying and/or being ignorant. Also, even if Obama was muslim, even an extremist muslim, the Palin-sticker on their shirts would make them hypocrites, at best.

That being said, I think questioning candidates religious affiliations is a good thing, and not, as some suggested, racist. Of course, since none of the candidates actually are muslims, I have another desert dogma in mind.

As spoco2 said, its all well and good to separate religion completely from politics, and that religion should "never inform your decisions" But lets be honest, What kind of religion are we talking about here? If you really believe what you say you believe, how can it not inform you decisions?

If the US president REALLY believed, for instance, that the earth was flat, and that the edge was out somewhere out in the pacific, would he/she still be hellbent on protecting the west coast? What for?

Similarly, if you think the earth is 6000 years old, and God has cooked up the perfect plan, whats the point in worrying about climate change?

Rational and informed thinking tells us that infact the earth isnt actually flat, and its closer to 4 billion years old, and we are apes evolved on a climactic knife edge. So if rational conclusions can DIRECTLY contradict religious beliefs, what would a sincere religious believer do? I think Sarah Palin, for instance, Seriously believes the universe is 6000 years old, and that God has a plan for everything, in the same way she believes Alaska is close to Russia. Can she even tell which of these two are fantasy and which is a reality? How compartmentalized and mentally ill must her brain be to give up one of these beliefs on weekdays for the greater good of the climate?

In short, if you are religious, and really believe the things you say you believe, I have a hard time imagining how you can distance yourself entirely from it. So when electing people whose decisions can make or break literally the entire world, I actually think their religious beliefs ARE our business, and that those beliefs should, in the head of an informed voter, disqualify* certain candidates.

(*I must stress not disqualify by law, but by opinion of the individual voter)

Political speech is held as the highest form of speech to which the solution should not be censorship, but rather, more speech. That is what happened here.

the only time religion should be in politics is "do good to everyone." and that's common sense anyway.

^do good to terrorizerists also?

Jesus would have....

oh, shit. can of worms.

how about god's so-called judeo-christian followers try to remember his commandments? don't worship idols, don't kill, forgive trespasses etc... etc...

Voting for the either party would essentially be "palling around with commandment breakers".

^ What would Jesus do? good point...

I don't understand how the conservative christian republicans condemn Obama considering sitting down with Hamas and Hezbollah.

Wouldn't Jesus have done the same thing?

HA HA HA - press distorts things? That's the last thing she needs to worry about. Props to the intelligent human beings confronting the idiotic scum.

>> ^BicycleRepairMan:

Similarly, if you think the earth is 6000 years old, and God has cooked up the perfect plan, whats the point in worrying about climate change?


I have to also add, if they're pulling on one half of the Bible, but not caring about taking care of the planet then they have a rubbish understanding of basic Christian Theology.

If they would actually READ like, the first chapter of the Bible - and perhaps get a scholar to explain the meanings of the ancient Hebrew words - they would notice and cherish this.

Here's a pretty decent analysis for anyone so inclined:

http://www.doesgodexist.org/MayJun08/BiblicalCalltoEnvironmentalStewardship.html
"In the Beginning: The Inception of Man's Responsibility for Creation. In the first two chapters of Genesis, God creates the universe, the earth, and all living things, then man and woman, and pronounced them all "good" (Genesis 1:25) and "very good" (1:31). Unlike most worldly value systems which may focus on the ability of nature to be used or subjective ideas of beauty, the Bible depicts God conferring inherent value to nature itself. In this early part of the creation story, we find the origin of man's responsibility for nature in God's commands to Adam. From the two accounts in Genesis 1 and 2, God declares man's responsibility to "subdue" and have "dominion" over the earth and its creatures (Genesis 1:28), but also he is to "work" (or "till") and "keep" the Garden, and by extension, nature (Genesis 2:15). According to Strong's concordance the Hebrew word for "work" in this passage means to use, and the word translated "keep" means to guard, to protect, and to preserve. Thus from the very beginning God expected man to use the products of nature for his sustenance, but also to be responsible in that use and to preserve the life-giving systems and creatures of the creation."

It's ironic that these days the christian right has taken up media distortion when it was people of their train of thought in big corporations who were/are creating the most drastic distortions/manipulation of thought on the airwaves.

Funny how they're trying to turn it around during this election - no one would have distorted that woman's opinion - they would probably have shown it uncut - the complete and honest dreadful truth that it would have been and that is what she was afraid of. Ignorance breeds fear.

Warning: This video contains normal people PWNing a bunch of crazy bigots.

If our presidential nominee was a Japanese/American, there would be people out there calling Japanese un-American because of Pearl Harbor, claiming Shinto and Buddhism teaches hate.

Makes you sick, doesn't it?

Early in the video, a rep from the official McCain Campaign explains that "Bumpersticker Guy" isn't part of the campaign.

Everything after that is liberals seeking the usual diversity: that is, a diversity of victims to exploit.

good for them.

>> ^Sniper007:
It's not unconstitutional to express your negative opinions concerning another religion. This points to the principal flaw with most American men and women, their presuppositions. They believe that their rights were created by the constitution, and the government it describes. This eventually results in the need for every facet of life to be spelled out and authorized by the legislature.
Whereas if you understood what the constitution itself clearly states, that rights are inherent, fundamental, and come from God Himself, you would not need a government to tell you how to live. You could, with your own conscience, seek out God, study His Laws and His Nature, and live accordingly.


All good up until the god bullshit.

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