This is the McCain that I expected to see after he won the GOP primary, the McCain we all respected, both parties, even Maher and Stewart (see here). This is the best thing I have seen from McCain in a long time, and I hope this sift gets the attention it deserves.

Perhaps, even in defeat, he can regain the respect of some of us who disagreed with him, but once found him to be a decent man.

Just make the concession speech you tired piece of shit. It is too late for this. You had better pull every "risky" "terrorist" ad and throw a muzzle on your incompetent disgrace of a running mate. He wouldn't be making this speech if he was winning right now. He approved those terrorist ads.
* lies
This really makes me angry. Half of those people there are confused about Obama because of the shit McCain himself twisted and smeared. His ads. His speeches. His VP candidate winding people up to the point they were calling for Obama's life. Now McCain is the good guy? He's the voice of reason now? Bullshit.

I expect all of those ads to be off the air tomorrow and Palin to STFU altogether.

I hope that McCain loses but I agree with everything you said hueco.

Well... while i appreciate the gesture... he HAS to bear some of the responsibility... I mean it's admirable that he is showing the leadership... that franknly i'm dissappointed i haven't seen since day one... but this mob mentality, he and palin fueled and fired for the last two weeks...

I truly believe it's never to late... but he was definatly pushing it...

I don't see anything redeeming in these clips. He's on fucking camera, of course he's not going to agree with assertions of outlandish racism and ignorance; that's what the ads are for.

I didn't expect to see that. But I guess he's doing damage control for the Republican party. He seems to have about given up at this point so now he has to tame the lynch mobs and ensure that they can keep some seats in congress. If he kept up the tone of his campaign, the Republican party would have a hard time recovering.

The damage has already been done, several times over, and I doubt that by McCain saying this, Palin will actually ease up much at all. Better late than never, but in this case, not much better.

I feel sorry for McCain in that he does not have enough pull within his own campaign to control what we've been seeing lately out of his camp. I'm not voting for him, but I'll upvote his comments in this video. He's actually a decent man. He needs to reign in some of the people surrounding him, and put a stop to the environment at his rallies/speeches that fosters people yelling out hate speech.

- Also, I would like him to formally address the fact that somebody yelled out at one of his campaigns rallies to kill Obama. If this mob mentality continues to intensify, I will soon be genuinely be concerned for Obama.

I didn't expect to see that. It's a nice gesture, but I don't expect this to be the beginning of a return to sanity and civility for McCain. I don't understand why the hell he would attempt to defend Obama after all the shit he's pulled lately.

Maybe, just maybe, he's waking up to the reality of the situation. Perhaps he's realizing that his tactics aren't working, and he is taking to heart that members of his own party are speaking out against his disgraceful and dishonorable campaign. Or maybe his earpiece fell out and he got all confused.

"I don't trust Obama. I have read about him and he's an Arab."

>> ^Baera:
I feel sorry for McCain in that he does not have enough pull within his own campaign to control what we've been seeing lately out of his camp. I'm not voting for him, but I'll upvote his comments in this video. He's actually a decent man. He needs to reign in some of the people surrounding him, and put a stop to the environment at his rallies/speeches that fosters people yelling out hate speech.

You're far too kind. A lot of the shit coming out of his campaign is coming directly from his and Palin's mouths; especially all this bullshit about Obama's affiliation with Ayers. He deserves defeat, not pity.

>> ^Xax:
I didn't expect to see that. It's a nice gesture, but I don't expect this to be the beginning of a return to sanity and civility for McCain. I don't understand why the hell he would attempt to defend Obama after all the shit he's pulled lately.

"I don't trust Obama. I have read about him and he's an Arab."

He started a fire he can't control. I have no respect for this, the only reason he's doing this is because they're losing ground because of all the 'kill obama' insanity. They are losing the normal people.

He started this and he's going to crash and burn for it.

Good riddance.

In making those ammends, he practically officially gave up the race. He soothed the extremists, which were his front guard... though, who knows... maybe he´s trying to regain the appeal of the normal calm people of the US again.

I don't understand why the Republicans try so hard to impress the extreme right christians. It's not like they have any other options in the fucked up two-party system...

McCain should have gone with the softer style right from the start and try to flirt with the people who have "liberal left-winger values" but believe in the conservative antiregulation economic system etc.

I'm still convinced that McCain, deep down, is a respectable guy. I liked him when he ran for president years ago at least. Now he is surrounded by Republican strategists, the kind that got Bush elected. When you think about it, these are the people that McCain is getting most of his information from, and that may be why he believed (or perhaps still believes) many of the negative images he's been putting out in his adds. If everyone around him is telling him that he is completely right for saying these things then it would be difficult for him to see otherwise.

Perhaps lately McCain has been watching more news about his campaign from places other than Fox. I'm hoping he had a moment where he thought "God, is that really what I sound like?" It is possible that he's just doing this as a political ploy, but I can't bring myself to believe that he is that manipulative. I obviously can't vote for him at this point, but it seems to me that he is a decent guy that has been steered down the wrong road by those dishonest Republican strategists.

McCain might be trying to do the right (sane) thing, but his campaign is still busy fanning those flames.

(Whoops, link fixed. )

>> ^atara:
McCain might be trying to do the right (sane) thing, but his campaign is still busy fanning those flames.


Nice job with the link.

Atara thats very much what I mean...

I want to believe he is trying to do the right thing and show some leadership... but this is a small step in the right direction... i'd like to see a lot more of it... and ENOUGH with the horrible campaign adds... he can't just step back and say these are the 'crazies' he has been fueling this... and that idiot running mate of his has been even worse...

Some one told him, that the Terrorist screaming, and treason screaming was to much and that he better try and tone that down.

Because if obama is killed over that, McCain would have indirect responsibility for it.

I don't buy it and Obama's speech in Fredricksburg is why...

He has had years of doing the same thing, but after all the policies, ads etc, Sarah Palin (who, let's face it, is around more for the "oooh shiny" factor than she is for political accumen) he suddenly has a change of heart?

Seriously, this is the guy that referred to Obama as "that one" not a couple of nights ago? Now he has the deepest respect for him?

The fire is lit and burning, the house has started to collapse and he thinks a thimblefull of deceny at this late hour is going to save it.

As Obama said, he can't just grab a "For change" poster now and have a change of heart in the middle of a crisis. It's disengenuous and too little too late.

I'm not John McCain, but I approve this message...

>> ^Asmo:
The fire is lit and burning, the house has started to collapse and he thinks a thimblefull of deceny at this late hour is going to save it.


I doubt he believes that it will save his campaign... it's more likely that he is getting heat from other Republicans for making the party look worse than it already did. Heck, there are numerous Republicans who refuse to put "Republican" next to their name on the ballot.

>> ^ajkido:

Nice job with the link.


Sorry, fixed it! (That's what I get for trying to reply to something at 6am...)

I actually shed a tear when I saw this.

Things have just been so horrible for so long, and these guys just seem to keep doubling down on how inhuman they act. To see McCain not just relent, but say "You can trust Senator Obama" gives me hope that America isn't dead after all.

I don't think it's a sign that they're going to stop doing what they've been doing, I don't think it redeems him for what he's been doing, and his history certainly gives me reason to think this personal change of heart is self-serving and not an ethical objection.

But for a little while, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, because I want to believe that maybe, just maybe, there's some shred of humanity in these people.

>> ^ajkido:
I don't understand why the Republicans try so hard to impress the extreme right christians...

...because there are MILLIONS of them, they have BILLIONS of dollars, and they ALL vote according to what their extreme right leaders tell them to.

Seems fishy to me that it took him this long to realize Obama is a decent person. JUST after his campaign had to realize that their smear tactics were counter productive. I believe the McCain shown in this video was the real McCain all along, but the sad fact is that he's willing to do about anything to get into the white house. Now that he's about to realize it ain't gonna happen he's trying to save his image.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see more of this from both sides (and from Nader too), but I can't take it for real. Few things are in politics nowadays.

Btw: How the hell can people boo the line "I want people to respect him"? How pathetic is that.

yes, he/they ARE that manipulative.

his campaign injects all these lies about obama into the public's mind through propaganda like fox news and such for the past several months and then only a few days before much of the country will be receiving their mail in ballots in the mail, he tries to be "the bigger man" by implying that it's all false and that obama is a good man.

research some brainwashing tactics and you'll see that people will over all gain some respect for mccain while still having these thoughts about obama in the back of their heads. it's subliminal. it's a political ploy and i'm sure it's working beautifully. just look at the title of this video.

this seriously makes me feel ill. i just wish everyone could see this crap and not make emotional decisions when they choose. this is not a time for emotion, it's a time for logic and rational decision making with the use of cold hard facts.

If he had come out like this he would be beating Obama in the poles. I think this is the McCain, Clinton was afraid of.

It is too late for him now though, it just comes across as an act. And I think it confuses his base.

Give me a break, you guys. Obama pulled the same stuff on McCain. Remember that Spanish language ad that slandered Rush Limbaugh, took his words out of context, and tied him to John McCain? The ad makes a pitiful attempt to make McCain seem like a bigot, when we all know that he is not. That's hate-mongering if I've ever seen it. There are others but I'm going to take a nap instead of finding them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkzvFAOcw6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLa5EeLNUSk

And here's Bill slamming both of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S417X0RsHks

I don't love O'Reilly or McCain or Limbaugh, I'm just pointing out that Obama has gotten his hands just as dirty as McCain. Ugh. I hate these presidential candidates more than any others I've seen in my lifetime.

Were you guys referring to this?
http://www.videosift.com/video/McCains-Latest-Obama-is-a-terrorist-add

At least what that ad says is true, albeit HEAVILY slanted and WAY over the top. Both of these guys are despicable. Mark my words: Obama will not be a good president. And if by some miracle McCain wins, he'll be almost as great a disaster.

>> ^thepinky:
Give me a break, you guys. Obama pulled the same stuff on McCain. Remember that Spanish language ad that slandered Rush Limbaugh, took his words out of context, and tied him to John McCain? The ad makes a pitiful attempt to make McCain seem like a bigot, when we all know that he is not. That's hate-mongering if I've ever seen it. There are others but I'm going to take a nap instead of finding them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkzvFAOcw6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLa5EeLNUSk
And here's Bill slamming both of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S417X0RsHks
I don't love O'Reilly or McCain or Limbaugh, I'm just pointing out that Obama has gotten his hands just as dirty as McCain. Ugh. I hate these presidential candidates more than any others I've seen in my lifetime.


Here's the "context" from Mr. Limbaugh himself:

"If you are unskilled and uneducated, your job is going south. Skilled workers, educated people are going to do fine 'cause those are the kinds of jobs Nafta is going to create. If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people, I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do -- let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."

Actually, that still sounds pretty bigoted to me. Quote is from Limbaugh's Wall Street Journal piece:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122178554189155003.html

I'll bet you anything what she means to say is "he's a Muslim" but to the mentally challenged like her....Mooslum...A-Rab...same thing.

Great how first they boo, then a moment later cheer. It's like a cartoon audience from The Simpsons. "Hey that guy's right!"

As for the tactic, it's panic time. Last week it was "gloves off." Now this? He's simply trying anything that might work.

At this point they are more cheering for a team than any policy or elected official...

I just got back from the UT vs. OU football game... and something stuck me... how much more these people sound like the UT and OU fans cheering at and/or against one another... than people supporting their country/candidate/or belief...

It doesn't even matter to them... McCain could be anti-puppy and these people would support them... (I'm sure there are many in Obama's camp that might apply, but i have NOT Heard the venom anywhere near the level it is with McCain's)

In the end... it's their 'team' thats losing and right or wrong they really don't care anymore.

To respond to the issue they are equally vile... I disagree completely... there seems to be this notion out there that they are both being as vulgar towards one another... I've seen absolutely nothing to support that...

McCain may not be a bigot... but when good men do nothing... they are not good men... these are HIS people... and his VP candidate that are behaving like bigots... and he has intentionally fueled that flame... you can't now step back and pretend like it was there just because it's leaving a bad taste in the mouths of most Americans...

Hook'em Horns!!!

When I read the title "McCain finally doing the right thing," I though I was going to see a video of him ditching Palin as his VP, or a video of him dropping out of the race.

I'm sceptical, seems a bit of sleaze fest.

McCain/Palin incited this lynch mob mentality, but when the ugliness unexpectedly surfaces in prime time he desperately tries to distance himself.

The comment from the guy who says he's afraid of Obama reminds me of the line in Easy Rider - yeah they're afraid, but it's not a runnin fear, it's a killin fear.

i agree with many here that mcain is not a bad guy,but one thing mcain most assuredly is,is an opportunist.that has been his most glaring trait,yet i dont see many pundits,liberal or conservative,pointing that obvious fact out.
the only reason why mcain got the "maverick" nickname was due to the fact during the "saving and loan" hearings(the keating 5),mcain was upfront about his involvement,and actually apologized and asked to be forgiven/
that was it...one "im sorry" and BOOM,he's a maverick,which he then parlayed in the coming years into almost a political brand-name.but if you peruse his voting record,well...not so "maverick-y".what you will also find,among his bad-tempered tirades,is that he is a genuinely likable fellow.
not a bad sort at all.
the reason why this showing of decency and respect is so confusing to many,is that mcain has been a literal puppet for the republican political machine.he is being told what to say,and how to say it.all based on polls,focus groups and a veritable treasure trove of political machinations.
thats why the john mcain we saw in 2000 is unrecognizable to the mcain we see today.
but we all recognize the tactics,now known as "rovian tactics",and why?
because they WORK,or they did,for many, many years, the FEAR quotient worked on the american populace like a hyper-fight-or-flee drug.make people SCARED of a nominee,and your victory is in the bag.
to my utter joy,elation and amazement,those tactics this year seem to be backfiring.no small part due to the internet and its growing independent media.
but i dont think its just "rovian tactics", that strip a politician of his humanity.i think polling and focus groups can be overdone,and cause an almost draining of personality from a politician,remember al gore in 2000?
remember years later when we saw him speak and we were all like "where was this guy in 2000"?
macain is not a bad sort,its his campaign managers,and his advisors,who strip him of his humanity and leave us all watching a puppet dangling from strings.twitching like vacuous doll experiencing a grand mal seizure.
i apologize for the length of my comment,but i felt it necessary to point out the myopic nature of our current political "popularity contest",and who really deserves the blame for the dehumanizing of our politicians.
i dont agree with mcains policies,but the choice of his campaign to delve into "rovian tactics" was his campaign,it's leaders and advisors.
my hope is that these tactics in 2008 will result in an epic fail.in which case will mean that campaign advisors will steer clear of future "rovian tactics" and maybe become more creative,and MAYBE..hope hope hope..create a civil,informative and honest campaign.
we can all hope,cant we?
but my over-riding misanthropic cynicism says that palin will continue to appeal to most base,ignorant and bigoted of us.
i hope in wrong.
till next time..peace.

>> ^Lumm:
>> ^thepinky:
Give me a break, you guys. Obama pulled the same stuff on McCain. Remember that Spanish language ad that slandered Rush Limbaugh, took his words out of context, and tied him to John McCain? The ad makes a pitiful attempt to make McCain seem like a bigot, when we all know that he is not. That's hate-mongering if I've ever seen it. There are others but I'm going to take a nap instead of finding them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkzvFAOcw6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLa5EeLNUSk
And here's Bill slamming both of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S417X0RsHks
I don't love O'Reilly or McCain or Limbaugh, I'm just pointing out that Obama has gotten his hands just as dirty as McCain. Ugh. I hate these presidential candidates more than any others I've seen in my lifetime.

Here's the "context" from Mr. Limbaugh himself:
"If you are unskilled and uneducated, your job is going south. Skilled workers, educated people are going to do fine 'cause those are the kinds of jobs Nafta is going to create. If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people, I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do -- let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."
Actually, that still sounds pretty bigoted to me. Quote is from Limbaugh's Wall Street Journal piece:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122178554189155003.html


Even though I'm right, your comment got a vote and mine got downvoted. It's almost laughable.

Speaking of taking things out of context, did you read the paragraph after the one that you quoted? He says:

"My point, which is obvious, was that the people who were criticizing Nafta were demeaning workers, particularly low-skilled workers. I was criticizing the mind-set of the protectionists who opposed the treaty. There was no racial connotation to it and no one thought there was at the time. I was demeaning the arguments of the opponents."

This time go back and read the entire article and not just the parts that will help you win your argument, m'kay?

Why can't you just admit that Obama's ad was sleazy and stupid? I can admit that McCain's ads have been. OPEN YOUR MIND.

It's not a long article. I'll just post it and save you guys the click:

Obama is Stoking Racial Antagonism
by Rush Limbaugh

I understand the rough and tumble of politics. But Barack Obama -- the supposedly postpartisan, postracial candidate of hope and change -- has gone where few modern candidates have gone before.

Mr. Obama's campaign is now trafficking in prejudice of its own making. And in doing so, it is playing with political dynamite. What kind of potential president would let his campaign knowingly extract two incomplete, out-of-context lines from two radio parodies and build a framework of hate around them in order to exploit racial tensions? The segregationists of the 1950s and 1960s were famous for such vile fear-mongering.

Here's the relevant part of the Spanish-language television commercial Mr. Obama is running in Hispanic communities:

"They want us to forget the insults we've put up with . . . the intolerance . . . they made us feel marginalized in this country we love so much."

Then the commercial flashes two quotes from me: ". . . stupid and unskilled Mexicans" and "You shut your mouth or you get out!"

And then a voice says, "John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that says lies just to get our vote . . . and another, even worse, that continues the policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families. John McCain . . . more of the same old Republican tricks."

Much of the media that is uninterested in Mr. Obama's connections to unrepentant 1970s Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers and Rev. Jeremiah Wright have so far gone along with the attempt to tie me to Mr. McCain. But Mr. McCain and I have not agreed on how to address illegal immigration. While I am heartened by his willingness to start by securing the borders, it is no secret that we have fundamental differences on illegal immigration.

And more to the point, these sound bites are a deception, and Mr. Obama knows it. The first sound bite was extracted from a 1993 humorous monologue poking fun at the arguments against the North American Free Trade Agreement. Here's the context:

"If you are unskilled and uneducated, your job is going south. Skilled workers, educated people are going to do fine 'cause those are the kinds of jobs Nafta is going to create. If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people, I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do -- let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."

My point, which is obvious, was that the people who were criticizing Nafta were demeaning workers, particularly low-skilled workers. I was criticizing the mind-set of the protectionists who opposed the treaty. There was no racial connotation to it and no one thought there was at the time. I was demeaning the arguments of the opponents.

As for the second sound bite, I was mocking the Mexican government's double standard -- i.e., urging open borders in this country while imposing draconian immigration requirements within its own borders. Thus, I took the restrictions Mexico imposes on immigrants and appropriated them as my own suggestions for a new immigration law.

Here's the context for that sound bite: "And another thing: You don't have the right to protest. You're allowed no demonstrations, no foreign flag waving, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. You're a foreigner: shut your mouth or get out! And if you come here illegally, you're going to jail."

At the time, I made abundantly clear that this was a parody on the Mexican government's hypocrisy and nobody took it otherwise.

The malignant aspect of this is that Mr. Obama and his advisers know exactly what they are doing. They had to listen to both monologues or read the transcripts. They then had to pick the particular excerpts they used in order to create a commercial of distortions. Their hoped-for result is to inflame racial tensions. In doing this, Mr. Obama and his advisers have demonstrated a pernicious contempt for American society.

We've made much racial progress in this country. Any candidate who employs the tactics of the old segregationists is unworthy of the presidency.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'McCain, Obama, defend, hate, arab, respect' to 'McCain, Obama, defend, hate, arab, respect, boo, booing, boo urns' - edited by calvados

>> ^thepinky Speaking of taking things out of context, did you read the paragraph after the one that you quoted?

So you are saying that Limbaugh's after the fact apologetics amount to a retroactive recontextualization of what he said on the radio?

The paragraph you quote is not what followed on the radio show, it's how he is attempting to weasel his way out in the article. He has a well documented history of saying absurd and racist things and then making a stink that he was "just making a joke" or that his listeners "didn't take it that way" etc. The fact that he is trying to cover his ass does not indicate that he is not guilty as charged. I submit that his track record suggests exactly the opposite.

It seems a bit hypocritical to invade countries around the world and lecture them on democracy...

... and then have an election filled with out right lies, massive willful ignorance, hate mobs, death threats, propaganda, claims on vote rigging by both sides.

All during a massive financial collapse brought on by debt and greed.

Yay democracy. Yay capitalism.
America preaches the values... but can't set an example for the rest of the world.

Note how all the hate and ignorance seems to be coming from one small minded 40% of the country?

@thepinky, so Limbaugh's a saint, and those jokes weren't in bad taste because they were jokes intended to put words in the mouths of Democrats, and hence the offensive things he said are really the Democrats' fault, because they are the racists, in Limbaugh's opinion?

You then wonder why people downvote your comments?

Limbaugh would happily call you a feminazi, for daring to speak on his behalf.

Don't be offended by my saying that; it's Limbaugh's fault.

OPEN YOUR MIND -- and your eyes and ears too while you're at it.

Dear McCain,

You're up against slanderous, libelous traitors to your country, historical revisionists who hide their crimes with the absolute complicity of the mainstream media. The previous generation of radicals was busily sabotaging the war at home while you were having your arms broken. Expect no mercy now, and sure as hell don't expect "mainstream" liberals--lost to the Siren song of Hope-Change and "free" health care--to listen to "fair" Niceguy McCain.

If The Anointed One knows the radical histories of the company he keeps, then he is one of them.

If he really doesn't know or never knew, then he's a fool and still in no way fit to lead.

The "McCain liberals love and respect" is a loser and patsy. You better wake the f--k up.

Ahhh the voice of reason...

New World Order is winning - Look up Obama is a puppet - Infowars.com
Alex Jones was right and the democrates blocked wallstreet! WAKE THE #(@!( UP!

Look... the simple fact is.. a vote for a Republican Candidate this year is tacit approval for the way the Republicans have run the country for the last eight years.

Don't give me the 'But.. But... Democratic Congress!!!' argument... Bush had six years of a Republican congress who rubber stamped anything the man put on paper.


To reward that party with another president is to suggest to them their tactics of fear (arabs, muslims, terror!!!!), pandering (here's $250 Joe Bob, now ignore the $500 we'll be taking later in taxes), and outright corruption (too many to name, but I will be glad to if anyone wants details) are the way you believe the country should be run.

I don't care if the Republicans ran the Second Coming of Christ (who, by the way, would never be a Republican with all his feed the hungry, visit the sick, and comfort the imprisoned schtick) I would have to vote against them because I cannot, and will not support the way they have been conducting themselves the last eight years, squandering our soldiers, our dollars, and our reputation in the world and at home.

I've had enough. So this independent voter is running a straight Democratic ticket coming election day.

Anyone who thinks this is the "real" McCain hasn't read the Rolling Stones article.

Wish I could upvote your comment 10x, messenger. Instead, I'll provide the link:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Someone forgot to crush the angry pills into his Metamucil that morning.

>> ^dgandhi:
>> ^thepinky Speaking of taking things out of context, did you read the paragraph after the one that you quoted?
So you are saying that Limbaugh's after the fact apologetics amount to a retroactive recontextualization of what he said on the radio?
The paragraph you quote is not what followed on the radio show, it's how he is attempting to weasel his way out in the article. He has a well documented history of saying absurd and racist things and then making a stink that he was "just making a joke" or that his listeners "didn't take it that way" etc. The fact that he is trying to cover his ass does not indicate that he is not guilty as charged. I submit that his track record suggests exactly the opposite.


I'm not defending Limbaugh so much as criticizing the ad. Whatever Limbaugh's record may be, the comments were indeed taken shamelessly out of context, changing Limbaugh's meaning and expressing opinions for him that are obviously not his own.

I hate talk radio. Let me point out something about it. The hosts purposely say shocking, hateful, one-sided things in order to get the listeners excited enough to call in. Limbaugh does what he does. I'm sorry, but his extreme right-wing comments taken out of context are not exactly the best indicator of how McCain feels about Mexicans.

>> ^NetRunner:
@thepinky, so Limbaugh's a saint, and those jokes weren't in bad taste because they were jokes intended to put words in the mouths of Democrats, and hence the offensive things he said are really the Democrats' fault, because they are the racists, in Limbaugh's opinion?
You then wonder why people downvote your comments?
Limbaugh would happily call you a feminazi, for daring to speak on his behalf.
Don't be offended by my saying that; it's Limbaugh's fault.
OPEN YOUR MIND -- and your eyes and ears too while you're at it.


No, he's not. In fact, I thoroughly dislike Limbaugh. Please see comment above. However, there is a difference between "jokes in bad taste" made by a shock jockey and taken out of context and McCain's immigration policy.

However, I see that I can't make you see that Obama is not perfect when it comes to ads. Please go about your business downvoting comments and videos that oppose you and forget that I ever dared to point out that Obama is a politician.

^ I downvote comments that insult people, regardless of my agreement or disagreement with their philosophy. Go and look, I haven't downvoted any of your comments on this thread.

Here's the logic you're using to "make me see":

1. McCain Obama is friends with terrorists, at every rally, and in a flood of ads, nationwide.
2. Obama says McCain is friends with a racist (Rush Limbaugh) in a very targeted Spanish-language ad.
3. Therefore, both "play dirty", therefore McCain isn't any worse than Obama.

I'm sorry, McCain being a raging liar, impugning Obama's patriotism, and trying to get people to think he's some sort of terrorist threat, and using most of his campaign funds to push that message is not equivalent to trying to say McCain and Limbaugh are part of the same party.

Here's why:

1. McCain is, at best, grossly exaggerating the relationship to Ayers
2. Obama denounces Ayers' past actions
3. Ayers isn't massively involved in Democratic party politics

4. Obama is not lying by saying Limbaugh is supporting McCain
5. McCain does not denounce Limbaugh's support
6. Limbaugh is massively involved in Republican party politics

There's also something to be said about the volume at which the message is being put out -- I watch a lot of coverage of this campaign and I've never seen that Obama ad, or any mention of it. The McCain ads, on the other hand, are his main campaign message, and I see an ad about Ayers or some other bullshit in every commercial break.

OPEN YOUR MIND.

There isn't even a slight level of moral equivalency here.

^ Well, you're right about that. Terrorists and racists are two very different things. Truth is: I'm not as bothered by the McCain ads because they are not fooling anybody. I think that what is so offensive to me about the Obama ad is the fact that it was extremely deceptive and misleading and released in the Spanish language, therefore targeting a group of people who may not see these claims disputed on Fox and CNN. Again, this is what was released in the Spanish language about McCain:

"They want us to forget the insults we've put up with . . . the intolerance . . . they made us feel marginalized in this country we love so much."

Then the commercial flashes two quotes from [Limbaugh]: ". . . stupid and unskilled Mexicans" and "You shut your mouth or you get out!"

And then a voice says, "John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that says lies just to get our vote . . . and another, even worse, that continues the policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families. John McCain . . . more of the same old Republican tricks."

McCain is not a racist and his immigration policies are different from Limbaugh's and similar to Obama's.

I'm offended by the McCain ads, too, but I don't worry as much about the media getting the truth out about Ayers because of the mainstream media's liberal bias. Don't worry so much about it. I'm not an Obama supporter, but I don't believe a word of the Ayer crap. Obama is no terrorist. Friends with one, maybe, but who really cares? The people ignorant enough to care have already made up their minds.

So what McCain's doing doesn't bother you because it's more blatantly false and outrageous?

Never mind that what made this clip (you know, the original video), so remarkable is that McCain backpedaled a bit when he came face-to-face with the ugliness that his campaign has stirred up; you still say McCain did no wrong?

There have now been two separate reports of violence committed at McCain rallies -- one against Obama supporters, the other against a reporter.

Still think the Obama ads are just as bad or worse?

McCain's ignorant supporters are believing this stuff, and going from believing that Obama has policies they don't agree with (so they won't vote for him), to thinking that he's a threat to America himself (so they want to kill him, and lash out at his supporters).

This kind of stuff matters.

PS: There ain't no such thing as a "liberal bias" in the "mainstream" media. Just a "shallow sensationalist" bias. Thanks to people like Limbaugh whining about a so-called "liberal bias", they've gotten it so media outlets are obsessed with appearing "balanced", even if they have to gloss over the facts to be that way. Balanced isn't the same as "fair" when one side is telling the truth (or merely exaggerating it), and the other is lying.

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This seems pretty relevant again as we approach another mudslinging election with heavy extremism.

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