kudos to Jenna for trying to raise the bar. That's genuinely commendable.

However,

Do I buy what she's pitching? No

Does it help to get her message acrossed by appearing on O'Reilly factor? No

Does porn stars have a chance to make it legit and be respected in society? As an individual, yes. As an industry, never.

wow, she definitely comes across as a well-spoken individual. It is true about the double standard she speaks of, and it is also true that woman in the adult film industry shouldn't be labeled as drug addicts or sluts. As far as I'm concerned they're providing an essential service and are making very good money doing so.

For quite some time I've had this two edged sword thing going on with porn.

On one side, non violent porn showing sex between consenting adults and watched by adults should be a perfectly fine thing to indulge in. It can help spice things up a bit within a couple's relationship, can bring enjoyment, can be fun, and a big turn on.

On the other side, as much as I really want to believe that the people in the movies are empowered and enjoying it and have no sexual hang ups/it's just a job etc. etc. the more you see of people behind the scenes, the more you find out about their lives their issues, their problems. The more you find it really, really hard to find anyone who truthfully actually enjoys the sex, enjoys the business, enjoys the treatment. There are plenty of stars who say 'oh, I can't get enough sex, I love it, I'm just a sexual person' WHILE they're still a star, because that's what their fans want to hear... but I've yet to hear any who after the fact, after they need to be thought of as loving it, still say that they do.

So... yeah... if I KNEW that those in the movie were actually enjoying themselves, then I would enjoy said movie a lot more. But I think the porn industry really does have an awful lot of sad people in it who are trying to get away from x or y, or trying to forget z.

And Jenna here is a perfect example. When she was gang raped and raped again when she was 16, and beaten with rocks. She was addicted to drugs, has lost, gained and lost weight to point of being horrendously thin. She is someone who has had a lot of bad things happen and is very unhappy inside (I would imagine, I'm not her, but seeing her recently and her appearance, she doesn't look to be a happy camper). You could say that porn has given her a way out of her troubles, and while it has given her a lot of money, I would say from her physical appearance, her string of not too great lovers and her current thinking she just wants to adopt a kid while not in a relationship (despite her saying in this interview how strongly family minded she is)... I would say she's not overcome any of her issues really.

>> ^spoco2:

Do you realize that you could say the exact same thing — mutatis mutandis — about any person in any public role, most obviously plain old movie actors?

Spoco: True. You make valid points. and I too struggle with the whole porn thing. I love it. I hate it.

That being said, in a free society, one has to make room for this stuff. So Jenna hasn't gotten over her unhappiness? Well boo hoo, neither have I. So what? Where's my 15 mins with Bill O (so I could smash his self-righteous face against the wall and blame it on my parents while I lick his blood from my knuckles)? As for the porn industry being full of miserable bastards: take a look around *any* industry and you'll find sad desperation, in all it's insidious forms, anywhere you have the guts to acknowledge its existence.

The real problem in thinking here (imho) is in believing that what pornstars do is "Wrong", in the mortal sin kind of way. It's a trapping of the whole puritanical taboo against sex that runs so strong in N.A. society. Yes, people have sex with strangers for money. It's time we got over that already.

What they do is a choice, of their making, based on their life experience. And compared to other (comparatively morally ambiguous) choices, it isn't all that bad a way to make a living, really. Sure, you can rail against it and say that it's demeaning and demoralizing, but then you should rail against telemarketing to, not because it's annoying to you, but because it's psychologically damaging to the people who choose to do it.

But not many people take that stance....though by your argument it's equally valid.

Have sex with strangers; work at Walmart; call people you don't know in their homes and try to sell them something they've never heard of. Hmmmm.....tough call. I have a vague idea of what kind of whore I'd want to be, though.

To to be honest, I don't give a flying fuck if porn is empowering or not. That's not my problem. Or yours. It's Jenna's. If she says it is, then that's got to be good enough....assuming one gives her an ounce of respect.

Hey, billo, who is favorite moviestar? ....mcqueen?wayne? they have carried guns in a couple of movies...would you ever have asked them if it was not likely that someone might think that was cool and start carry a gun themselfs, eventually ending up shooting somebody? WHAT A UNBELIEVABLY CRAPPY JOURNALISM!

Orly is drug addict. He is a lump of lies.

Lying is some respects is alot like a drug isnt it? Highly addictive and extremely hazardous to one's health

Well I have to say this about Jenna, and her legacy in the industry....


I will say that she has the singular element it takes for me to enjoy a porn film:
If it's not genuine, she makes it look like she's thoroughly enjoying herself.

You can take all that brutal porn, with extreme submissives, and toss that shit in the garbage(most times, the girls in these films have a history of all kinds of abuse)....mutual satisfaction is much better, and more stimulating.....and that's why I am a healthy individual, and you other porno-heads are damaged!!!!

don't watch much porn......I'd rather film it...

I just love how revealing it is that Jenna and O'Reilly share enough of their audience to have this interview.

OMG, this interview makes O'Reilly sound reasonable (and the opponent as a clueless hypocrite). My whole world just turned upside down, and that on a Friday night. I guess, I should get out more ;-).

See, Bill can have an intellegent conversation with just about anyone. This proves he's smartr than your average tv dude.

^A concrete brick is smarter than the average TV dude..

I would like to point out, after watching this video, that Jenna is married and has since vowed to only do lesbian scenes and any straight scenes she does are with her husband. don't ask me how i know that, i heard it somewhere.

also i saw her on LA Ink a while ago and for her job they put "entrepreneur." found that kind of funny.

Yep shes raised a lot of bars in her time.....

-cough-

Sorry

she's responsible for parents leaving their credit cards out near an unsupervised internet connection?

>> ^bigbikeman:
Spoco: True. You make valid points. and I too struggle with the whole porn thing. I love it. I hate it.
That being said, in a free society, one has to make room for this stuff. So Jenna hasn't gotten over her unhappiness? Well boo hoo, neither have I. So what? Where's my 15 mins with Bill O (so I could smash his self-righteous face against the wall and blame it on my parents while I lick his blood from my knuckles)? As for the porn industry being full of miserable bastards: take a look around any industry and you'll find sad desperation, in all it's insidious forms, anywhere you have the guts to acknowledge its existence.
The real problem in thinking here (imho) is in believing that what pornstars do is "Wrong", in the mortal sin kind of way. It's a trapping of the whole puritanical taboo against sex that runs so strong in N.A. society. Yes, people have sex with strangers for money. It's time we got over that already.
What they do is a choice, of their making, based on their life experience. And compared to other (comparatively morally ambiguous) choices, it isn't all that bad a way to make a living, really. Sure, you can rail against it and say that it's demeaning and demoralizing, but then you should rail against telemarketing to, not because it's annoying to you, but because it's psychologically damaging to the people who choose to do it.
But not many people take that stance....though by your argument it's equally valid.
Have sex with strangers; work at Walmart; call people you don't know in their homes and try to sell them something they've never heard of. Hmmmm.....tough call. I have a vague idea of what kind of whore I'd want to be, though.
To to be honest, I don't give a flying fuck if porn is empowering or not. That's not my problem. Or yours. It's Jenna's. If she says it is, then that's got to be good enough....assuming one gives her an ounce of respect.


Yeah, we shouldn't look down on people for having sex with others for money if that's what they chose, but the problem is that in so many cases they either do it and really, really hate it, and themselves, for doing it, purely because they need the money, or they're doing it while reaching out for something they're lacking in their relationships. Have a look at the movies "The Girl Next Door" or "Sex, the Annabel Chong story" for a couple of examples of the sorts of lives these women have... then you can also look up info on Asia Carerra, a porn star who has been admitted to Mensa, is very smart, and yet due to various bad things occurring during her younger years, ended up in porn also. What about Linda Lovelace from Deep Throat? Check out Louis Theroux's Documentary on Porn, that demonstrates how unhappy men can be in the roles also. (Yes, this is something that interests me quite a bit, because as I said, I would love to just be able to enjoy porn, but it's really hard when you are faced with the ugly behind the scenes truth... spoils the illusion) There are so, so, so many cases of these people not being happy at all, at all... try and find me one who's finished with the industry and still says 'Yeah, I loved it, it was a great job'. I think you'll have a hard time. OR even 'Yeah, I did that, it's behind me now, it didn't affect me at all, and I've moved on to better things' (like someone who had a job at Walmart might)

As much as you can say it's their choice, they have a right to do it if they want to etc. etc. and some woman say that they do like it, and they love it etc. I've yet to see a woman come out the other end and not be changed for the worse by this.

Oh, and Choggie mentioned the rise of brutal and degrading porn... yeah I've seen some of that on the web etc. and that is really wrong, the direction the industry has taken, seemingly towards more mistreatment of women is horrible. Give me a movie where the woman is pleasured and the man perhaps not even at all, and I'll find it more of a turn on, because at least that makes it more possible to believe everyone is having a good time.

man, she's got a big head.

youtube has worse porn than this girl....two girls one cup..need I say more

She is very well spoken considering the stereotype put on individuals in the porn industry.

"In November 2001, the venerable Oxford Union debating society invited Jameson to come to Oxford to argue against the proposition "The House Believes that Porn is Harmful."[34] She wrote in her diary at the time, "I feel like I am going to be out of my element, but, I could never pass this chance up... it's a once in a lifetime thing."[100] In the end, her side won the debate 204 to 27.[11]"

That's impressive. Also, here is something else funny regarding Jenna vs. O'Reilly:

"In February 2003, Pony International planned to feature her as one of several porn stars in advertisements for athletic shoes. This was attacked by Bill O'Reilly of Fox News in an editorial called "Using Quasi-Prostitutes to Sell Sneakers", calling porn stars inappropriate role models for teens.[101] In response, The Harvard Crimson proposed a boycott of O'Reilly and Fox News.[102] Jameson herself fought back with a sarcastic email to the show, writing:

I hope Bill understands the difference between a porn star and a hooker. I assume he has done some research on the subject because he requested some of my videos after we finished taping my appearance. I imagine he wanted them for professional reasons.[103]"

I'm always embarrassed for her father, J. Jonah Jameson. He's got enough ulcers from Spider-Man.

Women/men enjoying and becoming comfortable with sex is empowering, yes.
Sex being regarded as a healthy and honest facet of humanity is empowering as well.
However, that's as far as I'll agree with Jenna.
She may feel personally empowered with her career choice but that does not mean her career empowers the rest of humanity. All forms of media has its consequences.

I will be looking forward to finding a transcript of the "The House Believes that Porn is Harmful" debate. Hopefully it will expand my opinion on this subject.

>> ^quantumushroom:
I'm always embarrassed for her father, J. Jonah Jameson. He's got enough ulcers from Spider-Man.


You know Jenna Jameson isn't her real name, right?

>> ^SSIops:
>> ^quantumushroom:
I'm always embarrassed for her father, J. Jonah Jameson. He's got enough ulcers from Spider-Man.

You know Jenna Jameson isn't her real name, right?


Do you often experience an odd breeze when there shouldn't be one, as if something quickly flew by just a few inches over your head?

I'm sorry but I can't take anybody seriously after I've seen a load on their face...that's why my relationships never work out passed a week or so.

One of the reasons I think porn is such a hard industry etc etc is society's fear, condemnation and contempt for the sexual. Too many fucking dogmas, people who are so fucking stupid they think the creator of the universe gets angry if the penis is in the wrong hole. Its all based in superstitious, stupid ideas we have about sex. Adult people should be able to have sex with who they want, when they want, and how many they want, (assuming there is mutual consent, of course) and its nobody else's business, simple as that. And whats this obsession with kids seeing a couple of tits, Jesus Christ, who the fuck cares. Kids see that shit, perhaps they get scared or whatever, thats what kids do, they run around banging their heads into shit until they learn, theyare not gonna morph into sex maniacs, like Dawkins*, are they?

*yes thats the second time today I plug that vid

You know Jenna Jameson isn't her real name, right?

Of course! It's really Jenna Lewinsky.

*promote

Promoting this video back to the front page; last published Thursday, July 17th, 2008 10:41pm PDT - promote requested by MrFisk.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172518/

She's so punny! She's seen a lot of girls COME and go, and it's a very HARD industry.