Yep…not true at Parkland, wasn’t true here. There were DOZENS of “good guys with guns” milling around outside, and 19 inside, not one even tried to help, some assaulted students, parents, and teachers, but not the shooter.

Edit: 19 officers were inside, on the other side of the door while children were being shot to death for 45 minutes…during which time they heard the screams of children being shot to death, they received multiple calls from inside the classroom explaining that there were multiple dead kids, multiple still living children, and more being shot with every call, yet they did absolutely nothing but wait. They claim today that they decided he was a barricaded suspect and there was no time pressure to stop him despite being able to hear children being murdered just feet away from where they stood with their thumbs up their asses.
It now seems, according to today’s story from police (a story that changes with every telling) even the tactical team from border police was on scene almost 40 minutes before they went in.

*doublepromote *quality debunking of another of the right’s idiotic talking points.

I think 21 officers from that force need to be executed on the spot by grieving parents, with no charges for the shooters, and the rest fired and banned from being even unarmed security guards for life, with prison if they even attempt another job in law enforcement. This was undeniable proof that police aren’t heroes, aren’t there to protect the public, and are in reality just cowardly thugs with guns and authority that don’t step up when needed.

Double-Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Saturday, May 28th, 2022 9:44am PDT - doublepromote requested by newtboy.

Boosting this quality contribution up in the Hot Listing - declared quality by newtboy.

Holy sheep shit…new reports say some of those 19 officers that were inside the school (but not trying to stop the murders) actually went in specifically to pull their own children out of harms way, but left those other children to be shot.

I read that there was at least one mother that entered the school and came back out with her children.

If she couldn't save them she was willing to die with them.

Maybe it's time for mental health checks for politicians.

Imagine the scenario where a bad guy pulls out a gun, the first "good guy" pulls out a gun, then a second "good guy" pulls out his gun... wanna bet the probability who the 2nd guy points his or her gun to? And the subsequent 3rd-nth good guys' guns going to point theirs to?

Oh, then unevitably the "no duty to protect" police forces come and shoot ALL the guys with guns.

Total chaos, and good luck untangling the legal lawsuits that will inevitably come after. America! F**k YEAH!!

"Good Guy With A Gun" Theory. These NRA honchos reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally don't want their subservient cohorts think one more step ahead of any argument. The sad truth is there's enough of mindless American too lazy (or even capable?) to think ahead just as they wished due to America's educational system and pathetic "freedom at all costs" patirotism & American 2nd Ammendment Exceptionalism crap.

There are many democratic countries that said no to widespread gun ownerships (Australia, NZ, Japan) and are far better for it. I guess (read: I don't watch C-SPAN) that sense of American Pride infects even the Democrats to be gutsy enough to compare the US to other countries during legislative gun-control debates?

That assault-style (like the ARs) gun ownership rights is pretty FUBAR from the get go. If that's a right, why not grenades? Tanks, fighter jets, subs and heck, nuclear missiles? As long as I'm a "no criminal record" American citizen, isn't it my God-given right -- and my freedom! -- to own any weapons as long as I can afford it? Unhindered Capitalism at its finest we're talking here! The most American of values!

The proof that these assholes don’t believe their “good guy with a gun” lie is they don’t allow guns at the NRA events.

I wish some nut(s) would attack the NRA event, shooting a few dozen gun proponent politicians that normally hide behind their armed security and bullet proof podiums. I’m sure their tune would change significantly if some of their ilk were silenced permanently. No one deserves it more than Abbot.

Edit: BTW…more unarmed school children have been murdered in school this year than police officers in the line of duty. For all their bravado, their whining about how dangerous it is to be a cop, the necessity for more militarized equipment for their safety, it’s actually more dangerous to be a 10 year old student. I guess those kids should all get vests, rifles, pepper spray, armored vehicles and buildings, etc. ..that’s the solution.

Also, guns are the leading cause of death for children under 19 …have been since 2020.

Fucking worthless cowards and thugs, every single one. They deserve one more bullet each…delivered at high speed.

In Texas, a violent criminal record is no roadblock, anyone can buy and concealed carry a gun (or several) no matter their criminal record or mental health status thanks to Gov. Abbot.

That would mean they are still winning.

EDIT: Their goal is to get you to hate. Don't fall for it.

No. It would not, imo. Mass shootings don’t help their positions.
Definitely not helpful to them if it sparked real political change.
It would only be “winning” for them if an armed civilian stopped the attack, but they don’t allow armed civilians at their events where they rally for the rights of any civilians to be armed anywhere but their events.
Edit: also, I don’t mind them “winning” if it means sensible gun laws that bar violent criminals and mentally unstable people from buying or carrying guns. I’m not anti gun, I’m anti unregulated guns.

My hatred is not their goal. If it were, they could save their money and pro-death stances, humanity as a whole did the job for them.

Their goal is to sell more guns. They’re an industry lobbying group, not a civil rights organization.
A little blowback from their own policies is exactly what’s needed to change some political positions. They’re cowards, but so far they’ve been safe behind their security, and the money is good.
Remember, the last meaningful gun control measure, background checks, came directly as a result of an assassination attempt against a pro gun Republican.

the NRA is an extremist terrorist organization, much like the GOP.

I wouldn't call that as the intention. But the NRA, Big Pharma, Big Energy, Big Tech, most GOP (and to be fair, some Democrats like Manchin & Sinema) are all about the big "Ps" - profit & power - before morals. Extremist terrorism as a means to more profit/power? Their motto is "Hell Yeah why not?"

They're reduced to reading 4 words in the 2nd Ammendment as their whole and only (constitutional & religious) Bible.

Thank goodness theose kids didn’t have to wear a mask though, I heard those were dangerous.

The nra is a Russian asset. Just google it if you don’t know.

Why Google?? It's obivous to the naked eye.

Add all the mass shootings over last decade and then compare that number to Chicago's 2021 murder rate Of nearly 800 killing s

The NRA was formed to teach southern blacks to defend themselves from the racist southern Democrats

Non sequitor

Hard to find complete data on that timeframe….

There have actually been 212 so far just 5 months into this year alone with 251 deaths…if you extrapolate from this year’s rates, that’s 6000 dead in the last decade from mass shootings…but I think it’s less because mass shootings are on the rise since 2016.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting?page=8

And here’s a list of over 10 years narrowed to incidents of 4 or more deaths that adds up to 601 in the last decade…so extremely conservatively at least double that if you account for the vast majority of mass shootings that end with <4 deaths, likely triple or more.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

No matter how you count, it’s more than Chicago over one year (including police shootings? Suicides?)
Apples to oranges anyway.

Wonder why you chose Chicago….hmmmmm….why could it be?….

St. Louis, MO (69.4 murders per 100000 residents)
Baltimore, MD (51.1)
Las Vegas, NV (31.4)
Kansas City, MO (31.2)
Memphis, TN (27.1)
Chicago, IL (24)

Lol. Who told you that long ago debunked lie? Not the NRA.
Maybe research before making yourself look like a racist partisan fool….again.

https://home.nra.org/about-the-nra/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nra-founded-protect-black-people-kkk/

Also….SOUTHERN STRATEGY you intentional ignoramus. Like Covid and election results, another fact you just deny.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Certainly you must snicker to yourself when you click Submit.

I don't even know how to play a sequitur let alone one that is non sequitur.

Especially the ones where you can't distinguish which side was the outside you used last.

Mass shootings/presidents in office
Reagan- 31
Bush- 18
Clinton- 54 *
Bush- 49
Obama- 132*
Trump- 40
Biden- 147 (so far)
...Mass shootings" comprise about 1% of all gun-related homicides in America. Just noise. Not worth targeting with legislation.
According to 0bama's own CDC study, guns are used to prevent crimes between 750K and 1.5 million times per year.
Mass sh*oting fatalities: About less than 900.
Mass k*l l ings of unarmed citizens by socialist governments in the last 100 years: Bbetween 100 million & 260 million DURING PEACE TIME.
Allowing ANY government to begin the process of UNVERSAL registering and confiscating your g u n s through monetary pressures is the beginning of total tyranny, SUBJUGATION, slavery and Mass S l a u g h t e r of the non-elite class, which is most people.
the question is, do most people care enough to protect & fight for their God given freedoms of self-defense against evil??

Looks like repubs' hate to me. Or a temper tantrum. Mass shootings are not self defence.

Source?

I know these are bullshit statistics Bob, because there have been 212 already this year with over 250 deaths in 5 months. Nice try, another easily debunked lie.

Edit: There we’re another 9 killed (and 63 more injured) in 14 mass shootings just this weekend, including 6 kids under 15 in just one.

the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey puts the number of citizens who prevent crimes by using guns much lower than 2.5 million the NRA often claims -- about 67,740 times a year….and in the vast majority of those they never shoot those guns.
Edit: The CDC report you cited said maybe 108,000 times per year guns were used in defense, not 750000- 1.5 million….but noted the statistics they used were incomplete and unreliable….and also noted that accidents and suicides alone vastly outweigh any positive statistic.

the Violence Policy Center statistics showed that in 2012, there were 259 justifiable self-defense homicides in which victims turned the tables, not 2 million.
They also show the theft of about 232,000 guns each year -- about 172,000 of them during burglaries. That’s a ratio of one justifiable homicide for every 896 guns put into the hands of criminals. Is that what you call “successful policy”?

By the end of 2019, there were 417 mass shootings in the U.S., according to data from the nonprofit Gun Violence Archive (GVA), which tracks every mass shooting in the country. Thirty-one of those shootings were mass murders. What is your definition of “mass shooting” because it’s clearly not any time 3 or more are shot by one person.

Abortions account for 0% of deaths each year….but it was targeted with outrageously regressive misogynistic laws that make women incubators without any rights including no rights to contraception. A bit more draconian than having to get a background check to buy guns, don’t you think?

On average, more than 360 people in the USA are shot every day and survive – at least long enough to get to a hospital.
In 2017, some 39,773 died from gunshot injuries, an average of nearly 109 people each day. Per capita, this is significantly higher than in other industrialized countries. The rates of gun homicide are much higher in states with higher gun ownership. More guns equate to higher crime and murder rates, not lower. That is consistent over time.

No, bob….that’s according to the NRA, not the CDC….unless you count any crime stopped or caught by police because they all have guns, but that’s not what you claimed.

900 mass shooting fatalities in what timeframe bob?

Where do you get these insane statistics bob? Your behind?

Bob, no country slaughters more of its citizens than the US thanks to guns.

It’s almost 3 times as likely someone in your home will be shot if you have a gun.

In 2020, 54% of gun homicides are suicides. (Pew)

Again, cite your sources. I know you can’t because it would be too embarrassing for you to admit they came from THE NRA, Glen Beck, or some other nut job liar….or straight from your own ass.

Repub’s hate and lies.
He’s citing NRA and far right propaganda and claiming its from the CDC.

ANY government?!

Eh, whatever about the rest of that work of fiction you posted... you do realise that pretty much the entire western world goes far beyond gun registration and confiscation, and have done for the past hundred years or so, don't you?

I haven't noticed any tyranny, subjugation, slavery, or mass slaughter of the non-elite class, around here, unless you count over-the-top American globalist capitalism worming its way into our power structures.

I suppose since you don't bother to look outside your bubble how can we expect you to look outside your borders.

haven't read that. or heard it. or even fever dreamt it.

sounds like one of those wack-a-doodle wing-nut posting jobbies.

ever occur to y'all...that not even Rupert Murdock supports unregulated guns? one of your deities doesn't agree w/you!

think about that.

the boss of your handlers rather you NOT have a gun.


this time, me and Rup' are on the same page.

additional thoughts: https://twitter.com/LifeIndiscreet/status/1530579942651600896

BTW: since you cited Obama's CDC data - check on this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment

I grew up in Texas. That answer isn’t wrong.

If I remember correctly God said something to the effect of "Thou shalt not kill".

What other weapons do you have left in your arsenal that your God gave you?

the rub of "good guys w/guns" is the "good guys" requirement.

if the argument is "those that can be proven to be responsible, safe, and sane can own guns" then why fear the 'proof' part of the equation?

it's in their motto!

'bad guys' helping 'bad guys' get guns is bad guys, bad guys...whatcha gonna do?

plus

the idea that teachers/school kids can be expected to keep the doors closed - turn on the a/c or the heat up and just see if YOUR home doors are kept shut!

more fantasy from the infanticidally idiots. as if the uncompromising are themselves 'compromised'.




just think...this song is 30 yrs old...and it doesn't raise an eye brow now...

July 4th is coming up. You mad, lefties?

What kind of idiotic failed insult is that? What is it even supposed to mean? Are you under the impression that the left doesn’t like fireworks, baseball, and cookouts? You are so delusional. Completely bat shit crazy.

It’s the right that hates democracy and America. They tried to overthrow the elected government and make us a dictatorship.

4th of July is coming and democracy still exists in America, the left will celebrate….you mad Righties? I know you would prefer to be celebrating Jan 6 as the birthday of your nation, but you failed.

Wow! Now you take all your guns outside and practice killing people with warning shots!

not what I've read.

it was northerners wanting to match southerners shooting skills, after the Civil War.

if you'd source that claim would be happy to see if that's a real thing.

hard to be anger w/y'all.

pity tends to water down any ire.

reading the sadness in this kind of comment makes one pine for better educational systems, social programs akin to baseball for youths, and likely, just better nutrition for all Americans.

the thickness of saying something that dense has to be organic.

Jesus… Where do you get your fake statistics? 40 during Trump’s tenure? What asinine nonsense.
Sorry buddy, there were 323 mass shootings (4 or more shot) in 2018 alone. 434 In 2019. 614 in 2000.

Or are you saying Trump was not really president then…or ever?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2018

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2020

693 in 2021 under Biden, an increase but massive slowdown in the increase…what cons call a cut when talking about the military budget.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2021

It’s telling that you never…NEVER cite your sources…obviously because you are embarrassed to say who suckers you into believing nonsense.

Wait…did you just claim GOD gave you your civil rights and constitutional freedoms? Then why do you oppose his long standing decision that abortion was a constitutional …and moral, ethical, God given right?

Edit: Also, the Christian God absolutely undeniably prohibits you from killing others, so what gives you the idea he also gave you the right to carry around instruments of death and use them at the slightest perceived provocation?
You must worship some other god…or do you contradict god’s commandments because you know better? Does your god also give you the right to a secret Ashley Maddison account? To covet and take your neighbor’s property and family? Clearly your god allows you to lie. You probably work on Saturday, the sabbath mentioned in those commandments, don’t you?
Bob, what god are you talking about? It’s not the Judeo/Christian god.

You're so "I'm rubber, you're glue..."

Whose God are we talking about here when "there can be only one"?