Flipping the Bird to the Judge - not a good idea

chingalerasays...

uUUhh, judge (hispanic), defendant (hispanic) Race is irrelevant.....
Court: pre-trial closed-circuit, like watching a fucking state-sanctioned, Maury Rostropovich episode..Next case, asshole Judge meets next asshole defendant and money is charged to someone's bank account, next piece of bullshit, fuck the system.

Kofisays...

She was being flippant and not taking the matter seriously. The judge felt that the court was not being respected.

Whether that warrants doubling the bail I have no idea.

dhdigitalsays...

Laughing at the judge/court is pretty disrespectful and he was ready to access the typical fine, but she threw it in the judges face not once, but twice.

Its like getting pulled over for speeding. Cop says you have to pay me $50 bucks right now for the fine (standard fine fee). You give him $300 and say, "hey here is $300 for my next six!" Of course they are going to maximize the penalty.

Slack will not be given to the disrespectful.

DuoJetsaid:

It takes real ballz to stick it to a down-and-out, emotionally disturbed, teenage drug addict, huh? Why is everyone on the Internet so pleased about this? Fuck this judge.

rich_magnetsays...

And this is how we maintain class distinctions. We have to keep the plebs in their place or else they'll be making a rabble and making in uncomfortable to for good patricans to keep their high-power jobs.

chilaxesays...

His demeanor was encouraging her, so his initial warning was lost.

It would have been enough to tell her she owes an extra $5k, but he'll forgive it if she comes back tomorrow with a serious apology.

The judge's job is to try to turn bad citizens into good citizens. But here, he instead failed to control the situation, and was ultimately responsible for it escalating.

Drachen_Jagersays...

The first problem I saw (from a civil rights perspective) came way earlier.

Maybe I'm off on my interpretation here, but didn't she say she earns $200 a week, has a car and some jewelry, to which he told her, she was not entitled to a public defender because she could sell her jewelry to hire a lawyer?

That seems like a travesty to me. She'll be forced to pay several months salary up front, simply as a retainer, before she even gets her day in court.

DrewNumberTwosays...

She said that she had a lot of jewelry, apparently so much so that she couldn't even begin to explain how much it was worth.

Drachen_Jagersaid:

Maybe I'm off on my interpretation here, but didn't she say she earns $200 a week, has a car and some jewelry, to which he told her, she was not entitled to a public defender because she could sell her jewelry to hire a lawyer?

iauisays...

As a follow-up, she apologized and the judge removed the requirement that she spend 30 days in jail. Yay!

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arghnesssays...

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rich_magnetsaid:

And this is how we maintain class distinctions. We have to keep the plebs in their place or else they'll be making a rabble and making in uncomfortable to for good patricans to keep their high-power jobs.

Lawdeedawsays...

No, the judge has no responsibility towards helping anyone. Would you say that a judge should work to convict someone if we all "know" they are guilty but cannot necessarily prove it? Ie. should he help out society to try to convict, say, a murderer?Take OJ's judge, or perhaps to a lesser extent Casey Anthony's. That is a slippery slope my friend. I will say though that he was out of line with his attitude, but we attribute the wrong attitude towards judges.

A judge should take no position. For example, a judge that gives probation over and over again to juveniles for burglary (Their typical charge) is doing them no favor at all because they think the justice system has no teeth. Then when they rape or agg bat, they go from 3-4 months and probation to 25 years. All because of our joke system that encourages leniency the first few times--then ass fucking after that. I see it everyday. If the kids would have some bitten off at the start perhaps they would not be so disrespectful to rules in general (And no, programs haven't worked often from what I see...drug program? Great for a bunch of addicts to get together and, do drugs...)

chilaxesaid:

His demeanor was encouraging her, so his initial warning was lost.

It would have been enough to tell her she owes an extra $5k, but he'll forgive it if she comes back tomorrow with a serious apology.

The judge's job is to try to turn bad citizens into good citizens. But here, he instead failed to control the situation, and was ultimately responsible for it escalating.

messengersays...

Just because the judge has power doesn't mean he deserves special respect or that he should be able to abuse his power to enforce such respect. Power is the worst reason to determine how much respect someone deserves. How is he serving the public interest by putting an emotionally disturbed first-time offender in prison for flipping him off? FUCK and THAT. Am I right she hasn't even been convicted at this point, if they're talking about bail? How about requirements for the judge to respect the accused? She's so weak there that the only power she can exert is being flippant and saying rude things. That's the last person to go on a power trip over.

chilaxesays...

I think that's like saying bosses have no responsibility to treat their subordinates in a human manner.

In the real world, it's in bosses' best interest to build a good company culture that makes their employees happy. It costs nothing, and it saves a lot of money because employees behave better and don't quit as frequently. In my work, that's what I do with the employees who report to me, and that's what I hope those to whom I report do for me.


I largely agree with you. I'm all for much more severe punishment of actual scumbags, like is done in Singapore and the Middle East, which tend to be low crime as a result. But this woman seems just disorganized and unlucky, not sociopathic.

It's not in our best interest to convince her that society will treat her unjustly whenever it gets the chance.

Lawdeedawsaid:

No, the judge has no responsibility towards helping anyone. Would you say that a judge should work to convict someone if we all "know" they are guilty but cannot necessarily prove it? Ie. should he help out society to try to convict, say, a murderer?Take OJ's judge, or perhaps to a lesser extent Casey Anthony's. That is a slippery slope my friend. I will say though that he was out of line with his attitude, but we attribute the wrong attitude towards judges.

A judge should take no position. For example, a judge that gives probation over and over again to juveniles for burglary (Their typical charge) is doing them no favor at all because they think the justice system has no teeth. Then when they rape or agg bat, they go from 3-4 months and probation to 25 years. All because of our joke system that encourages leniency the first few times--then ass fucking after that. I see it everyday. If the kids would have some bitten off at the start perhaps they would not be so disrespectful to rules in general (And no, programs haven't worked often from what I see...drug program? Great for a bunch of addicts to get together and, do drugs...)

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