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pwned? Indeed.

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I would say that lives have been destroyed by marijuana, but not in the way Mueller asserts. Lives have been destroyed by parents getting jail sentences and losing their jobs simply for possession or small scale growth of marijuana.

Two fascists debating to what precise degree they're going to oppress us. Not pwned, sad.

Wow this seemed like a very honest and important discussion in the legalization of marijuana. That's funny that he used milk in showing the fallacy in the gateway theory. I use milk to discredit it as well.

When are these guys going to stop using these old, tired, unproven myths as facts?

We have wised up to your rhetoric guys, you need some VALID arguments against marijuana now. False claims and propaganda will not work on us any more.

The problem for them is, there are none.

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You'll notice at no point do either of them talk about human rights or freedom. They're discussing the most efficient way to run a slave camp. Cohen, everybody's hero, feels we should be allowed any form of recreation that doesn't impact our productivity; while Mueller is concerned that a little freedom now will lead to an expectation of more in the future. That's what the gateway theory is really saying, that people who understand it's their right to put THC into their own body if they choose also understand it's their right to do the same with other substances.

The FBI guy appeared incredibly nervous. I thought those guys could handle pressure. Maybe he should procure some relaxing herbs...

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>> ^gorillaman:
You'll notice at no point do either of them talk about human rights or freedom. They're discussing the most efficient way to run a slave camp. Cohen, everybody's hero, feels we should be allowed any form of recreation that doesn't impact our productivity; while Mueller is concerned that a little freedom now will lead to an expectation of more in the future. That's what the gateway theory is really saying, that people who understand it's their right to put THC into their own body if they choose also understand it's their right to do the same with other substances.

Good job reading between the lines, although, Mueller's fears are unfounded and backward. Right now as it stands, since a lot of drugs are illegal, somebody who were to try marijuana and realize it's not dangerous might assume the same of other drugs. If we were to be honest and classify drugs properly, people might take heed in the government's decision to make certain one's illegal.

Also, I've done many drugs and been a slave to none (except for maybe alcohol). However, I will never try heroine, crack, or meth (minus the synthesis of the substance in ecstasy). I don't want those monkeys on my back. That is my own decision. Law has never been a factor when considering which drugs to use and which to not use.

I think Mueller just cares about maintaining his bureaucracy and the funding he gets for marijuana prohibition.

He really doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.

I don't see how anyone can justify throwing somebody in jail over a marijuana charge when jail is clearly more dangerous to that person's life.

WOW!!! They admit Gateway Theory is bunk, and bring up the fact Marijuana has NEVER killed anyone, ever.

Ever.

Thank you Mr. Speaker dude

>> ^rottenseed:
Right now as it stands, since a lot of drugs are illegal, somebody who were to try marijuana and realize it's not dangerous might assume the same of other drugs. If we were to be honest and classify drugs properly, people might take heed in the government's decision to make certain one's illegal.

I completely agree. Improper classification of drugs by the government (or parents) ultimately promotes distrust of the government and conflict.

rottenseed, why would any rational person make some of the drugs illegal? No matter how bad the drug, prohibition only makes it worse. Education and treatment of health problems is what makes it better.

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I don't want to live in a country where all drugs are legal. Your right to destroy your body stops when you become a danger to society.

How can you read something like this
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-child-blinded,0,2981403.story
And think that's it's within a parent's rights to be using dangerous, mind altering drugs.

>> ^cybrbeast:
rottenseed, why would any rational person make some of the drugs illegal? No matter how bad the drug, prohibition only makes it worse. Education and treatment of health problems is what makes it better.

I can't see successfully attacking this prohibition issue with a push to make all drugs legal. It's just too much to take on at one time and you'll never succeed. There's many that think that if the government makes all drugs legal, they're saying that it's OK to do. I don't necessarily disagree with that fear and there's really no way to tell how people would react. Let's face it, some people have no business doing some of the harder shit. Furthermore, legalizing marijuana in itself will keep young impressionable people from having to enter a shady drug scene in order to buy something.

^ That's one of my arguments about pot being a gateway drug.

If it is a gateway drug, it's precisely because it's illegal, and as such people are more likely to be exposed to other drugs when they go to make a buy.

I invite all of you arguing about the harms of drug decriminalization to take a look at Portugal. In 2001 Portugal decriminalized all drugs and it "has been an unquestionable success, leading to improvements in virtually every relevant category and enabling Portugal to manage drug-related problems (and drug usage rates) far better than most Western nations that continue to treat adult drug consumption as a criminal offense," (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/14/portugal/).

All of the statistics show impressive declines in drug use, HIV infection and show a marked increase in people seeking therapy for drug abuse. A lot can be learned from their example.

No one wants to condone these things that can hurt people who choose to abuse them.


Logically, though, you are correct; it has to be all, because our main point is that people can and will decide for themselves, ultimately in a fashion that won't increase the rate of destruction on and of the planet.

Unfortunately, the people who are prone to abuse a substance need the elements which induce the undesired behavior eliminated... through education and opportunities to work for a better life. Just legalize drugs, and you encourage an easy way out. There needs to be double handed legislation to increase the opportunities for people to not be in such despair. Double fisted, even.

I think you have to give some weight to the gateway theory, because it is illegal, and to get it you soemtimes have to "deal" with real criminals. So what I am saying is it's a gateway drug because it was made illegal.

rottenseed, I understand that it is currently not politically possible to push for legalization of all drugs. I'm just arguing for the principal.

Of course some people won't be able to handle the drugs and become problematic. But if you compare it to a hardcore alcohol addict. Alcohol has been known to ruin many lives and families. Alcohol addict and drug addicts in general, need help, counseling, treatment AND the possibility to reintegrate in normal life.

An example from my country The Netherlands. In my city we have a pilot distribution program for heroin. The homeless addicts in the city get access to clean drugs and needles, a safe place to use them, and health care. And you know what happened, the program was so successful that so many addicts quit and were helped to jobs that one of the two centers was closed due to lack of occupancy.
The other unrecoverable addicts get a safe and calm place. They are no longer a big nuisance and don't need to steal for their drugs. A specialized retirement home for these addicts who are getting old is being arranged.

cybrbeast, please don't rub it in my face that you live in damn near perfect Netherlands while I'm stuck on this giant waste of land (no offense to Mexico or Canada). That does sound awesome. I wish we just had the balls to do it. The government has been poisoning the well on this topic for so long now, it'll be damn near impossible to undo.

>> ^jdbates:
I think you have to give some weight to the gateway theory, because it is illegal, and to get it you soemtimes have to "deal" with real criminals. So what I am saying is it's a gateway drug because it was made illegal.

That is true...it kind of desensitizes those of us who have had to travel that route to purchase drugs. It gets less "illegal" and naughty feeling and more comfortable. This just puts somebody ready for the next leap into the underground.

"Oh, judge, your damn laws: the good people don't need them and the bad people don't follow them, so what good are they?" -ammon hennacy

"An anarchist is anyone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do."
-ammon hennacy

Here's my gateway theory:

Playing violent video games all day leads to being really good at video games, which leads to you getting a job playing video games, which leads you to smoking marijuana.

I also have another theory, but it involves being a beautiful female in an industry of mostly introverted males.

Wow, you know something is fucked up, when the freakin FBI Director gives such canned weak answers on the topic that he's supposed to be an expert on.

whoa,
I better lay off milk

>> ^gorillaman:
Two fascists debating to what precise degree they're going to oppress us. Not pwned, sad.


As of this moment, I've got a new personal voting guideline. Anyone tossing "fascism" around gets the automatic DV unless they're talking about Mussolini, Goebbels, Rocco, Nakano or someone/something that is actually fascist. At this rate, Godwin's law is going to need an amendment.

He has his milk theory all wrong.

Marijuana leads to milk, then cookies, then cakes, then sleepey timey. It's very very dangerous (and yummy).

Don't be such a fascist, overcast.

>> ^xxovercastxx:
As of this moment, I've got a new personal voting guideline. Anyone tossing "fascism" around gets the automatic DV unless they're talking about Mussolini, Goebbels, Rocco, Nakano or someone/something that is actually fascist. At this rate, Godwin's law is going to need an amendment.

The government makes Marijuana illegal, not because it is bad or harmful to people, but because it lowers productivity which impacts the economy and overall revenues.

Nobody reports people who smoke weed, because it isn't considered socially bad.

It isn't because of it's "harm". Alcohol and Tobacco exponentially cause more violence, disease, & medical expense worldwide, but are legal.

As far as gateway: I guarantee getting drunk is always the first experience before people try getting crunked.

That Portugal study is fascinating. More empirical evidence for the War on Drugs mob to ignore.

There is only ONE PERSON to blame for you getting caught with weed and having your life destroyed because of it... and that is YOU. We live in a country that has deemed it illegal. You have NO RIGHT to set your self apart from our legal system and break our laws...that is why they are laws. There are plenty of countries that legalize marijuana, move to one of them.

No.

>> ^jmd:
There is only ONE PERSON to blame for you getting caught with weed and having your life destroyed because of it... and that is YOU. We live in a country that has deemed it illegal. You have NO RIGHT to set your self apart from our legal system and break our laws...that is why they are laws. There are plenty of countries that legalize marijuana, move to one of them.


I completely agree with you 100%. A citizen's responsibility is to unquestioningly abide by all laws, state or federal.

Me, I was taught my lesson the hard way: during a 2 week stint in a state penitentiary in Devon, Connecticut, where, as I learned, it is unlawful to walk backwards after sunset. Since then I've been telling everyone "You have NO RIGHT to set your self apart from our legal system and break our laws".

>> ^jmd:
There is only ONE PERSON to blame for you getting caught with weed and having your life destroyed because of it... and that is YOU. We live in a country that has deemed it illegal. You have NO RIGHT to set your self apart from our legal system and break our laws...that is why they are laws. There are plenty of countries that legalize marijuana, move to one of them.


Laws are not meant to be followed blindly and bad laws must be done away with. As Aristotle wrote, "even when laws have been written down, they ought not always to remain unaltered."

Though it was said in a different context, Dr. Martin Luther King made an excellent point when he said, "one has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."

These laws do not help the American (or Canadian, or British, etc.) people. They do continual damage to society, to the economy and to individual lives. There is no better example of unjust law.