Bravo Doug, Bravo!

Am I the only one that just google mapped his house?

WHat the fuck is with the prayer in the beginning?

Ah I get it...

So... on "civil unions for gay couples", he basically says nothing. I certainly don't disagree with what he said about the religious crap at a city council meeting, but this seems like a lost opportunity.

I feel like the most important thing to take away from this is ...

GET INVOLVED. If you give a shit then actually go to your local meetings etc. Every town/city everywhere in this country has meetings like this. Go make your voice heard.

Context, in case anyone needs it: http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/21861710/same-sex-civil-union-vote-passes-5-2-in-bisbee

yep. And while, I've got this soapbox, fuck "civil unions". Smacks of "separate but equal" to me. If I can get *married* to my wife in a secular ceremony, why the hell can't two people of the same sex get *married*?


BTW @lurgee, it's Stanhope, not "Standhope".

D'oh!

Doug, while he means well, isn't very articulate.

His message was confused (at one point sounding like he was against civil unions) he was boneheaded, attacked the city council and then ended his wandering diatribe with "I'm out".

Lame.

Ok, I'm an atheist. I am as separation-of-church-and-state as you get. I thought the prayer was beautiful and touching. I thought the sentiment contained was one that all people, believer or non-believer, straight or gay, could understand and respect. Yes, it was a prayer in a government function. If the preacher left out "In the name of Jesus Christ", I would have had no problem with it.

I understand the rage of the guy getting on his soap box. He's totally right about opening a government function with a prayer. But I also think it's a battle he didn't need to wage. Had the preacher said "Gays are bad because God says so," then get up on that soap box and rail and rant. But calling out a basic invocation for respect and understanding, regardless of the supernatural aspect, just made him, and by association all atheists, look like nutters spoiling for a fight whenever someone mentions God, regardless of the context.

As an atheist, you think injecting religious nuttery into a government proceeding is "beautiful and touching"? I think it's atrocious, and I think it's unfortunate that someone who thinks critically enough to reject the supernatural delusions of religion can't perceive the impact it can have on religious freedom (read: my freedom from it) when it infects government on any level. The efforts (some successful) of the insane hoards of thousand-yarders in this country to do just that definitely have me "spoiling for a fight".

"I am as separation-of-church-and-state as you get."

The invocation was exceptional. It ask for wisdom for all in there words.

The nut rant is just that a nut on a rant.

Apparently not.

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Poor showing by Doug. If not for his name, this would be a completely inconsequential speech. Hell, even with his name, it still was.

Hey everybody! I thought I should come down here and stand up for something important but, now that I'm here, I see it doesn't matter! Heading to the bar; peace out!"

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