Cops using unexpected level of force to arrest girl

...and what he says to the guy filming afterwards! THE NERVE!!!!11!!one!





(Edit) Actually, yeah, I am being sarcastic. I'd post this as a comment, but I didn't want to take the 2-3 hours required to scroll to the bottom of the comment list. Holy Crap people. I thought I was posting a "This is what proper police procedure is" video that I deceptively described to get more views, not "hey, we don't have enough statist discussions on the sift, Have At Thee!" video... :\
messengersays...

Are you trying to be sarcastic? Someone must have told you that doesn't work on the Internet without the Sift's sarcasm(TM) buttom, right?

Either way, what appears on this video is proper police work and deserves applause.

chingalerasays...

ALL police are FELONS. Period.
Their 'doing their job' that deserves applause for you is your delusional addiction to force as an option-The fat fuck has his full weight on that woman's back, they're cocksuckers by choice, plain and simple. Thugs. Cunts. Unrighteous livelihood. They deserve 10X the force they used upon her for whatever reason they justify their actions to the bystanders. The could have fucking tazed her and it would have done less damage...

ALL COPS ARE FELONS. PERIOD.

messengersaid:

Are you trying to be sarcastic? Someone must have told you that doesn't work on the Internet without the Sift's sarcasm(TM) buttom, right?

Either way, what appears on this video is proper police work and deserves applause.

messengersays...

Well, that's incorrect. All police are not felons and I'm guessing few of them suck cock -- not that there's anything wrong with that. Doing their job deserves no applause, just a paycheque. It's the talk afterwards that got my applause.

And I think you're a kooky crazy person that makes no sense.

chingalerasaid:

ALL police are FELONS. Period.
Their 'doing their job' that deserves applause for you is your delusional addiction to force as an option-The fat fuck has his full weight on that woman's back, they're cocksuckers by choice, plain and simple. Thugs. Cunts. Unrighteous livelihood. They deserve 10X the force they used upon her for whatever reason they justify their actions to the bystanders. The could have fucking tazed her and it would have done less damage...

ALL COPS ARE FELONS. PERIOD.

dooglesays...

The only thing wrong that I saw was a woman resisting arrest and a video recorded vertically.

I recommend changing the title to "woman resisting arrest".

chingalerasays...

Forgiving you messenger I am not crazy, you are most likely delusional or you live in a country without police, and it is yourself who is 'incorrect.'

Every police officer will either commit or witness a felonious act during their careers, probably several of them.

They will either commit one themselves, or witness a fellow thug commit one and subsequently, not report it. By not reporting it, they commit a crime deemed a felony by ANY STATE. Even if they hear of another cop having committed a felony and do not report it, they have become then, a felon.

It's a sick fraternal order of ass-covering cunts, AND ALL ARE OR WILL BECOME FELONS SHOULD THEY CHOOSE LAW ENFORCEMENT AS THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

Hence, ALL COPS ARE FELONS

State-sanctioned felons at that. Continue in your delusion and see all your rights as a human fade slowly away.

Any sane, reasonable person can follow the simple logic above, think about it and become suddenly enlightened or, continue to call it crazy and indulge in illusion....You won't be lonely.

Oh and, you mistook my week analogy for the literal act of sucking a penis. Maybe this will help. All cops are cocksuckers. If you're not careful, you just might, "Learn Something New Every Day"

messengersaid:

Well, that's incorrect. All police are not felons and I'm guessing few of them suck cock -- not that there's anything wrong with that. Doing their job deserves no applause, just a paycheque. It's the talk afterwards that got my applause.

And I think you're a kooky crazy person that makes no sense.

chingalerasays...

Yes she did resist arrest and that was not very bright of her, considering what look to be injuries she may have sustained in doing so. Bad call to stand up against the enforcement-arm of the state. You will lose every time unless you play at their game.

dooglesaid:

The only thing wrong that I saw was a woman resisting arrest and a video recorded vertically.

I recommend changing the title to "woman resisting arrest".

messengersays...

Fair point abut the felonies; my mistake about you being a crazy person.

Do you have an alternative to the police? Simply to remove them would be a disaster.

chingalerasaid:

Forgiving you messenger I am not crazy, you are most likely delusional or you live in a country without police, and it is yourself who is 'incorrect.'

Every police officer will either commit or witness a felonious act during their careers, probably several of them.

They will either commit one themselves, or witness a fellow thug commit one and subsequently, not report it. By not reporting it, they commit a crime deemed a felony by ANY STATE. Even if they hear of another cop having committed a felony and do not report it, they have become then, a felon.

It's a sick fraternal order of ass-covering cunts, AND ALL ARE OR WILL BECOME FELONS SHOULD THEY CHOOSE LAW ENFORCEMENT AS THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

Hence, ALL COPS ARE FELONS

State-sanctioned felons at that. Continue in your delusion and see all your rights as a human fade slowly away.

Any sane, reasonable person can follow the simple logic above, think about it and become suddenly enlightened or, continue to call it crazy and indulge in illusion....You won't be lonely.

Oh and, you mistook my week analogy for the literal act of sucking a penis. Maybe this will help. All cops are cocksuckers. If you're not careful, you just might, "Learn Something New Every Day"

JiggaJonsonsays...

I've seen excessive force, this wasn't anything crazy. What do you expect arresting someone who's resisting arrest to look like?

The police even politely explained afterward to the curious public, something they didn't have to do.

In truth, police turn into shitbag assholes because of people posting videos like this making it seem like they're bad guys when really they're not doing anything wrong. I'd have a bad attitude too if someone was heckling me for my entire career.

chingalerasays...

No Jigga, you are wrong as well. The people who filmed this wish only to expose the rampant encroachment of the police into every aspect of civil society. The advent of technology in the hands of most people and the increasing awareness of the growing police state worldwide is one of the many stopgaps to a bleak future of decreased human rights and control of humanity by a small majority of agenda-oriented tyrants.

As far as police 'turning into' shitbag assholes? NO. Again you are wrong and completely clueless as tho the psychological profiling that goes on in the process towards someone becoming a 'law enforcement' dickbag.

Alpha types with low intellect and questionable imprint and socialization. Many come from abusive homes or generations of law enforcement. Many in the U.S. are members of or are sympathetic to, the clan and other such organizations or fraternities. MOST are racist, sexist, etc. Many police, were they not accepted into academies of sanctioned thugs would become criminals. Some were very close to becoming gang members, petty criminals, etc.

They dredge from the damaged-goods of society to fill their ranks, and this only gets worse as people like you, and others detached from what really goes on, continue to come the defense of force as a means to control society.

Cops definitely don't need any help form a deluded general public to grow in ranks or develop new and improved ways to exercise force as an arm of those who would control society to their ends.

I can do this all fucking day long, and there will still be the voices of insipid dullards who have by choice, drunk the Kool Aide of "give a fuck as long as I have my MTV."

If you'd have a " bad attitude too if someone was heckling me for my entire career," chances are good you'd make an excellent state thug or sympathizer to the cause of safety over freedom.

Your argument is pathetic and week.

chingalerasays...

@ messenger-The solution lies in a combination of radical reform of policy, and that can only happen if people stop following the programming of the people who pay for elections firstly. Then, you educate the hell out of people at a grass-roots level of just how deep the rabbit hole goes i.e., the insidious cabal of those who would profit from incarcerating more and more people to prop-up their money-making scam of larger and stronger law enforcement infrastructure, the inhumane prison industry which is billions of dollars annually. Profiteers who breed future criminals in prisons, and ghettos. It takes people actually giving a fuck about their society instead of thinking that they are safe ans secure with more police.

YOU ARE NOT

Police are made-up of dangerous, self-loathing and damaged individuals who are recruited for the sole purpose of building the infrastructure I described with protecting and serving very, very low on their not-so-hidden agenda.

The power-keepers and their fanatical putsch should be glaringly obvious to anyone with a TV, the internet, and an I.Q. above 100.

"They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."-Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac.

Heed the words of a brilliant statesman and thinker, and of similar, modern contemporaries.

I don't have much hope for it, I have expatriation written all over my forehead in big red letters. Hardly a place to go anymore, the entire world is jumping on board to the 'occupy everything with police and military' route.

Cops are criminals, plain and simple. Continue to believe to the contrary and watch how fast the shit gets non-linear.

chingalerasays...

OH, and you can be DEAD certain that every single prison guard, warden are masochistic low-ebb, base human garbage (broken humans) as well. All were abused and are abusers, none are without fault.

siftbotsays...

Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Friday, December 13th, 2013 5:19pm PST - promote requested by chingalera.

bobknight33says...

This what I don't understand in these videos..

The victim is engaged in self preservation and the police calls it resisting arrest.

She only resisted once she was up on her feet.

articiansays...

Good for him for taking that amount of time to explain his actions. The witnesses were morons for making their argument "you know she's a girl". Idiots.

Anyway, I'm pretty scarred by the state of the world during my lifetime (and that is accounting for the fact that I'm well-educated and completely understand our existence relative to history), but what makes me still question the whole thing is that the cops argument is that "she broke the law", and in today's world that has proven to be entirely subjective and often even completely immoral (what 'law' did she break? j-walking? carrying a 'suspicious package'?).

Regardless, if all officers had the demeanor of this one I'd be much more inclined to side with them on a regular basis.

Also, @chingalera - nothing is black and white. I almost always see your point, but you're so militant lately that I worry for you. In the sense that "we need more right-thinking people to keep their heads and show people the 'correct' way".

Trancecoachsays...

Competing private security or insurance would be far cheaper and much more efficient and effective than the state-imposed police force that we have now. Chief among the many reasons that it would be an improvement is the fact that it wouldn't be a monopoly (which are invariably rife with corruption and abuse). Of course, this doesn't include the millions of others who are willing and able to defend themselves on top of that.

Do you think police services are "free?" Even if you happen to be a nonproductive tax consumer, you still pay for it in other ways (especially if you're a minority or unlucky enough to be born into the wrong "class").

Here is a link to lengthy PDF essay on how a stateless society would deal with law enforcement, courts, prisons and such. Because a fundamental truth about life is that it cannot be fully predicted (a truth, I might add, that seems to elude the central planners and government bureaucrats much to our horror and detriment), we cannot know 100% as to how law enforcement would work in the absence of the current state-imposed police force. But imagination and logic help guide us into trusting a free society.

The author uses his own knowledge, logic, and imagination to posit, for example, that prisons would actually need to compete to attract prisoners, as clients. The author sees that as both making prisons more secure and preventing prisoner abuse -- a far cry from the prisoners-as-chattal, state-contracted, crony-"semi-private" prisons that we have today.

An interesting read.

messengersaid:

Fair point abut the felonies; my mistake about you being a crazy person.

Do you have an alternative to the police? Simply to remove them would be a disaster.

articiansays...

I believe in Stateless society, but I don't believe in privatization under a capitalist system. We need to find a balance between profitability and equal compensation for provider and receiver.

There is a role for limited government, but I think it's limited to a nexus for regulation, and nothing more. Let everything else be privatized, but to a very limited extent. Honestly I really think that everything should be non-profit, but I don't actually know how to propose something that isn't leaning towards communism.

I will gladly read the essay you linked to tomorrow, but from my understanding of human nature and history, I don't think there is any way to balance a for-profit enterprise without succumbing to the evils of man.

Trancecoachsaid:

Competing private security or insurance would be far cheaper and much more efficient and effective than the state-imposed police force that we have now. Chief among the many reasons that it would be an improvement is the fact that it wouldn't be a monopoly (which are invariably rife with corruption and abuse). Of course, this doesn't include the millions of others who are willing and able to defend themselves on top of that.

Do you think police services are "free?" Even if you happen to be a nonproductive tax consumer, you still pay for it in other ways (especially if you're a minority or unlucky enough to be born into the wrong "class").

Here is a link to lengthy PDF essay on how a stateless society would deal with law enforcement, courts, prisons and such. Because a fundamental truth about life is that it cannot be fully predicted (a truth, I might add, that seems to elude the central planners and government bureaucrats much to our horror and detriment), we cannot know 100% as to how law enforcement would work in the absence of the current state-imposed police force. But imagination and logic help guide us into trusting a free society.

The author uses his own knowledge, logic, and imagination to posit, for example, that prisons would actually need to compete to attract prisoners, as clients. The author sees that as both making prisons more secure and preventing prisoner abuse -- a far cry from the prisoners-as-chattal, state-contracted, crony-"semi-private" prisons that we have today.

An interesting read.

chingalerasays...

@artician- You are correct in your observations the reason being....currently a recent victim of two HPD officers willing to perjure themselves before a jury in order to satisfy their egos and their state mandate to fill beds in their jails (or prison, had we decided not to take a plea down to keep them from sealing our fate).
Felony obstruction for mouthing-off in the back of a cop car to a couple of complete douchebags who could not stand that we would not let them treat us like some kid a couple of jocks would have bullied in junior high.

The official statement was alleged that their lives had been threatened which when in fact we surmised in colorful detail their mommy and daddy issues, their obvious history of abuse and or neglect, questioning their sexuality and manhood simultaneously, all while we voluntarily accompanied them into said car in cuffs from a girl's apartment after we gave them the benefit of the doubt and rendered I.D. to them and TOLD them we had a warrant for an unpaid traffic ticket.

Was in the home of a friend when her ADT system (installed a day earlier) sent a false alarm-They had tried to call her but she was passed-out with an I.V. in her arm (vitamin treatment) bed-ridden with a torn ligament. Cops came to the door, was just waking-up and (stupidly) let them in and addressed their incivility when they after determining that the alarm call was false, began to ask me what my "problem" was-Asked them why they had to act like a couple of uncivil douchebags in someone's home and asked politely if the one cop, would remove his dark sunglasses and that they were making me nervous.

This is Texas BTW, land of the most redneck fucks to be found anywhere in the planet of police.

Meet an an idiot who poked the rabid dogs with a stick and found soon that we had over-stepped our "freedom of speech."

Yeah, fucking pissed and for good reason. It's called a felony what they did, and with full-participation of the D.A. and the judge.

Ten years ago this would not have happened. we know because we have spoken our mind to arresting cunts before, as well as spoken like a gentleman to those treating us with the same consideration who represented the local constabulary.

All cops are or will be felons during the course for their tenure as a "peace officer', in the United States.

Now we must jump though many, many hoops to fulfill probation obligations, pay money we don't have, and if I make it through, will be able to have the case sealed, so that we might work again in this state without having a felony (never before) on our permanent record.

So this is Canada?? Your time is coming as well, just look at the show-out when the damn G-20 came to Canada a few years back.

They're gearing-up for chaos folks-
(collective object-pronoun used to avoid incrimination) If you are interested, we'll tell you why in a P.M. It's kind of hard not to be incensed while being kicked while prone.

Been bullied by cunts just like this on the sift before and those petty cowards are afraid to even show their asses here any longer.

Shepppardsays...

@chingalera

Your delusion as to what the fuck police are baffles me. Here, we have a video clearly showing not only the cops are NOT using excessive force, be it physical or tazer, doing everything in their power to actually resolve this situation in a manor that is civil up to and including explaining why they did what they did ALL THE WHILE not releasing the information of what the girl did to keep it private (likely, there was a warrent issued for her arrest for something she did OFF camera), and yet you're still claiming to the "gun totin' bullies" schtick.

I could cite thousands of examples of police officers doing their jobs correctly, and I take PERSONAL offense to the notion that A) "All cops are cocksuckers" and B) "All cops are felons". Why? Mostly because, unlike you, I actually know quite a few personally. Including my Father, and step mother.

Lets go ahead and actually skip a shitload of the easy shit, like the fact my step mother is (and for the past almost 9 years has been) the President of an optimist group, whose primary goal is to raise funding for underprivileged children and give them access to things like sports, and in some cases educational scholorships.

Lets graze over the fact that my dad and a good deal of my own local police officers actually put on not one, but two musicals (Caught in the Act / Caught in the act II) to raise money for Charity (the womens Y, and unfortunately I can't remember the other one).

Hell, we'll even skip the time I was in DETROIT, and while on the highway blew a tire and needed to pull over to the side of the road to change it, only to have a police officer see this going the opposite direction, get off the highway, and then back ON the highway, so he could park behind us and keep his lights on so that we remained safe while doing so.

Lets focus on the fact that you're citing one example of you. Where a friend apparently was in too deep a sleep, or drugged up to answer a phone call from the people she's now paying to call the police when the alarm system goes off and they can't reach her.

They then show up, and either you, or somehow she, answers the door and lets them in, only to seemingly be a rude prick about it, and one of you winds up getting yourself arrested. Your entire post on the subject is incredibly vague (yes, I'm sure the fact that you said the cops sunglasses make you nervous was the exact reason you had whatever happen to you happen.) And yet, you still have the gall to maintain that the entire problem is with the people who did their jobs right in the first place. (You know, showing up to a distress call about a home that may be broken in to)

Also, if you're referring to those of us who actually maintain that the police aren't all the devil in bullet proof vests with badges as "cunts who are afraid to show their asses", you're once again wrong. I've stopped voicing my opinion on the matter, it typically goes nowhere. I'll cite law, you'll cite something crazily in some form of gibberish, and at the end of the day, neither person has made progress.

You want to voice your opinion, fine. I'll stay in the shadows and save both of us a lot of time arguing back and forth. DO NOT drag my family's honour through the mud by insinuating that part of it is somehow the bane of the earth because my Dad and Stepmom signed onto a group of people "To serve and protect" the damned community.

Trancecoachsays...

There is a flaw in your premise which suggests that somehow a capitalist system is susceptible to the "evils of man," but a "government" (no matter how limited) is not. Man is either evil or Man is not evil, regardless of the system in which Man functions. A system of government regulation can either be exploited or not, so a government imposed regulation thus becomes a mechanism for that manipulation.

Capitalism, by contrast, does not require the governmental oversight to impose the regulations that the market imposes upon itself. Such a system (despite the prevalent perception, of late) does not, in and of itself, generate the kinds of crony, kleptocratic monopolies that we have seen on the rise for the past 30+ years. That is, sadly, the effect of government -- the original monopoly -- whose regulations and hybridized (private/public) contractual agreements with the private sector create these imbalances and inequities throughout society. As far as I can tell, only the implicit competitions of the free market present the kinds of price restrictions that cannot be circumvented.

Note that capitalist competition does not mean a system of 'survival of the fittest' and it does not entail the strong surviving at the expense of the weak. In fact, the pattern seen throughout a competitive market is that of a "leader" challenged by a "second-place" (Coke then Pepsi), followed by a more distant third (other colas) and then a variety of many others (Sprite, 7-Up, A&W, etc.) Competition in capitalism differs considerably from that seen in the animal kingdom because humans, unlike animals, can increase the supply of what they need to survive, while animals cannot (with possible exceptions like bees making honey). In fact, capitalist competition does the opposite, it allows those who would otherwise not survive (because they cannot produce for themselves, or those too weak to compete) to survive by partaking in the market of increased supply. Even if those people are unable to hunt or farm for themselves, they can still feed themselves with the abundance of food produced by capitalist competition, which is a competition to produce more and better of whatever the market needs (with an accurate reflection of supply and demand in the price, which is very different from the kinds of "blind" economic calculations necessary in a centralized system of government). And to have such an abundance of production/supply, you need capital investment. There's no other alternative.

In any case, read the article I posted. Let me know what you think.

articiansaid:

I believe in Stateless society, but I don't believe in privatization under a capitalist system. We need to find a balance between profitability and equal compensation for provider and receiver.

There is a role for limited government, but I think it's limited to a nexus for regulation, and nothing more. Let everything else be privatized, but to a very limited extent. Honestly I really think that everything should be non-profit, but I don't actually know how to propose something that isn't leaning towards communism.

I will gladly read the essay you linked to tomorrow, but from my understanding of human nature and history, I don't think there is any way to balance a for-profit enterprise without succumbing to the evils of man.

chingalerasays...

For Sheppard-Did say that there are exceptions to the rule of the 'bad cops' encountered, found many in California to be gentlemen and professionals, courteous, civil, and humane, and still find a few in Texas as well but….Texas is another beast and I let my guard down in the situation described-THESE facts however, do not annihilate the argument that all police are felons because if you stay in the game long enough in the employ of any jurisdiction in the country, you will as a police officer commit an act that is patently felonious, will witness a felony and say or do nothing to righteously call-it-out to either a superior or internal affairs, OR, as is the case with extant procedure I might add to my argument (which you took so personally through affiliation and family, and with as much rage and emotion as myself, -my own failing) be sanctioned to commit acts deemed felonious were they committed by the general public, BY THE BROKEN SYSTEM.

You took it personally to defend your delusion and your family's ties to law enforcement, or simply can't follow the simple argument in which I clarified the facts simply, which is relatively bulletproof.

Your cited examples, and I apologize, I am NOT responsible for your emotional state or that of anyone else by my own, of your own family's humanitarian efforts in the local community, could possibly represent their own guilt or embarrassment of having taken part in such generalized enforcement of the will of the state, "just doing their JOBS" in their later years.

They see shit every day, and it takes a special person not to become the shit they see and I'll give you that-Corrupt systems corrupt other systems. I equate these humanitarian efforts on the part of cops to MAKE UP FOR the bad rap of the felonious activities they witnessed and remained silent on.

Law enforcement is become now simply big-business designed to control humans like cattle, and keep them in-line so that they will feed the machine and perpetuate itself....To create a criminal class and to insure in perpetuity the systems that feed upon the incubators of criminals-in-formation, in the ever-growing prison industry and the shit-heal companies that cater to the systems that make-up the vile web of law enforcement run-amok in the USA.

Sorry if I wrinkled yer sack and brought you to that place of rage and control that ALL police and the children of police hold so dear, it's called faulty imprinting and it's systemic in not only the sick fraternal order of police but in ALL of the dysfunctional society of America.

I do know what police are and they are simply doing what they were programmed to do. My fuck-up was letting my guard down to catch my toe in the meat-grinder of that sick system.Believe me,it will not happen again, as I intend to stroke the dicks of every sheit cop I see in the future, and make their egos feel all warm and fucking fuzzy, with a view to self-preservation.

ALL COPS ARE FELONS

messengersays...

*controversy

@Shepppard

Believe it or not,nothing you have said here disagrees with what @chingalera has said.

You are saying that police can be fantastic citizens, and chingy is saying police can be horrible citizens. Both those things are patently true and I don't think we need to cite examples to demonstrate either point.

Chingy also made a pretty tight case that technically just about all police have committed or will commit a felony act during the course of their careers (if it's indeed the case that an officer witnessing someone commit a felony act and then not arresting them is committing a felony act, which I don't know). Some portion of police officers commit felony acts in the line of their work and these acts are sometimes witnessed by fellow officers and not followed up on with the proper police response. The assertion -- which you might argue against here -- is that this happens often enough that any given career officer has almost certainly committed this particular offence. That applies to your father and step mother too. Do you think the officers in your family can honestly say they've never witnessed a fellow officer commit a felony?

enochsays...

@Shepppard
why would you take @chingalera 's posts so personal?
he wasnt calling your family out.
does your mom and dad represent EVERY cop on the planet?

most of us on the sift are fully aware that your family are law enforcement and not ONE of us has directed our rage,disillusionment or fear at your parents.

in fact it has been your contributions,in the form of commentary,that gives us an insight on how the good cops interact with the local community.

nobody is saying all cops are egotistical assholes,but cops like that exist.

so you have to understand that just like a cop has to assess a situation in milliseconds in regards to the citizen they are confronting,we,too,have to assess in milliseconds what kind of cop we are dealing with.

but ONE of those people in that confrontation has the authority to:taze,beat,fabricate and imprison.

thats a pretty tilted equation.

i have encountered some damn decent officers in my lifetime but cops are like a box of chocolates.
you never know what kind you gonna get.

chicchoreasays...

...comments here, and elsewhere, spark one to wonder as he doth protest too much me thinks....

How many felonies has someone here committed this year, this life?

...not caught at...committed?

...hmmmmm.

chingalerasays...

As the list of such charges continue to grow and the criteria of the same becomes more clouded and manipulated by the broken system, I'd caution to guess, ever user on this site. Resident video-enforcer included

chicchoreasaid:

...comments here,and elsewhere, spark one to wonder....

How many felonies has someone here committed this year, this life?

...not caught at...committed?

...hmmmmm.

messengersays...

Pretty much everyone here at the Sift has probably committed a felony act. I certainly have. I have never, however, taken a job knowing that it would likely involve my committing a felony act, especially not a job where my supposed duty was to prevent people from doing so.

Sincere question: Do you think the inevitable felony of failure to report a police officer's crime is acceptable as a necessary part of having a police system?

chicchoreasaid:

...comments here,and elsewhere, spark one to wonder....

How many felonies has someone here committed this year, this life?

...not caught at...committed?

...hmmmmm.

chingalerasays...

The system's wet-dream: Every person is a criminal hence, surveillance future becomes easy to sell to the fearful, uneducated, and clueless. With what seems to be a disease of complacency and distraction with self-absorbed entertainment and comfort in the children of this generation, I remain hopeful that the cracks in the broken system's fascist agenda will appear as a gaping, unnavigable crevasse, and a collective awakening will occur faster than you can say, "You have the right to remain silent."

Remaining silent will hasten the inevitable-

chingalerasays...

Never use either-I detest the "sarcasm" invocation here as well as the "ignore" function. I figure people should be able to detect sarcasm as well as face their detractors, head-on.

Duncansaid:

@chingalera

There, actually, is a sarcasm tag. You don't have to risk pulling some Kaufman-esque maneuver by keeping it off if you don't want to.

ChaosEnginesays...

These cops did an excellent job under difficult circumstances. And I don't buy for a second the "she's only a girl" bullshit.

And I'm with @sheppard. Yes, there are bad cops, but to tar them all with them same brush is just fucking ignorant. I have a friend who is right now in police college. He's taking a massive pay cut from his previous job to be a cop, because he believes in it.

Everything in this video made me admire these cops. They did the best they could with a woman who was cynically trying to exploit her gender to get out of being arrested. Watch the look on her face at 3:12. She's perfectly fine and is even trying to signal someone, but then she goes back to being hysterical.

Meanwhile, the people videoing are insisting on knowing what she was arrested for, which is none of their business, and in fact would be a violation of her privacy for the cops to give out.

All in all, they handled the situation with professionalism and courtesy.

And @Trancecoach, you really want to replace the police with private security? Yeah, 'cos that's worked out so well with prisons and the military (blackwater, etc)....

chingalerasays...

@ ChaosEngine-One example of cops barely being able to handle a situation that grows increasingly widespread, reaching into the land of the mounties as well-Believe it ChaosEngine, that prisons and the military and the police all follow the same recruitment scenario with a larger picture beyond what you and most so flippantly believe in using your senses and the programming that has been driven-into you 24/7 365 through constant reinforcement through television commentators, so-called alternative media sources, et-all.

Speaking with someone form Canada recently regarding corporal punishment in U.S. schools, they were aghast to hear that such a thing exists or existed this due primarily to a completely alternate scenario there, their TV programming not having been hi-jacked by perpetrators of the condition that exists in America today, rampant crime, over-bloated prisons, homelessness, poverty of education, a few items on a long list of defective and deliberate aspects of the control-grid of assholes who run the show.

Say that you are not effected by such a ruse and you either are oblivious or from another country. You simply haven't been to war yet nor have you likely never been a victim of injustices that effected yourself on a personal level.

Admittedly, I have always fought the system's cues to conform to injustices, and the fight is daily, as evidenced here in trying to convince those still inebriate, of an obvious condition. SO they whined and justified their actions. Great. The State says its ok, it must be thus, right?

chicchoreasays...

Were you directing this question at me?

If so, sincere request for clarification: Do you purport such is a prerequisite in reality?

...and....

Did you infer any reference to yourself or to the bortherhood of peace officers? If so, it was not my intent. Rather, the old saw from Hamlet.

messengersaid:

Sincere question: Do you think the inevitable felony of failure to report a police officer's crime is acceptable as a necessary part of having a police system?

messengersays...

Yes, it was for you, just a conversational question, not part of any argument I was mounting.

About your "prerequisite" question: In what sense? Our current policing system inevitably leads to police officers committing felony acts and other officers witnessing these acts and then ignoring them, which itself is a crime, I believe. I'm asking your opinion as to whether that's acceptable. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.

To your second question, no, I didn't infer anything personal at all. I have nothing whatsoever to do with the police.

chicchoreasaid:

Were you directing this question at me?

If so, sincere request for clarification: Do you purport such is a prerequisite in reality?

...and....

Did you infer any reference to yourself or to the bortherhood of peace officers? If so, it was not my intent. Rather, the old saw from Hamet...she (in this case he) "doth protest too much me thinks"

ChaosEnginesays...

No. I'm not doing this. I don't know if you're being condescending or trying to appear intellectual or if you have some genuine inability to communicate clearly, but I cannot be bothered engaging. It's like trying to debate Deepak Chopra... it's just a mass of run-on sentences and points hidden behind pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo.

Also, funnily enough, I'm not interested in arguing with someone who believes they are superior because they alone can see the "programming" that the rest of us sheeple have been brainwashed with.

chingalerasaid:

@ ChaosEngine-One example of cops barely being able to handle a situation that grows increasingly widespread, reaching into the land of the mounties as well-Believe it ChaosEngine, that prisons and the military and the police all follow the same recruitment scenario with a larger picture beyond what you and most so flippantly believe in using your senses and the programming that has been driven-into you 24/7 365 through constant reinforcement through television commentators, so-called alternative media sources, et-all.

Speaking with someone form Canada recently regarding corporal punishment in U.S. schools, they were aghast to hear that such a thing exists or existed this due primarily to a completely alternate scenario there, their TV programming not having been hi-jacked by perpetrators of the condition that exists in America today, rampant crime, over-bloated prisons, homelessness, poverty of education, a few items on a long list of defective and deliberate aspects of the control-grid of assholes who run the show.

Say that you are not effected by such a ruse and you either are oblivious or from another country. You simply haven't been to war yet nor have you likely never been a victim of injustices that effected yourself on a personal level.

Admittedly, I have always fought the system's cues to conform to injustices, and the fight is daily, as evidenced here in trying to convince those still inebriate, of an obvious condition. SO they whined and justified their actions. Great. The State says its ok, it must be thus, right?

chicchoreasays...

...while acknowledging that felonious conduct does indeed exists, I do not accept the premise that it is requisite or universal.

Nor do I accept that the failure to report is an inevitability.

Acceptable? Yes it is acceptable for you to believe that.

Correct? Not my say.

However, I somewhat suspect you mistook my original comment. My fault most likely. The quote should be read to the first comment.

messengersaid:

Yes, it was for you, just a conversational question, not part of any argument I was mounting.

About your "prerequisite" question: In what sense? Our current policing system inevitably leads to police officers committing felony acts and other officers witnessing these acts and then ignoring them, which itself is a crime, I believe. I'm asking your opinion as to whether that's acceptable. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.

To your second question, no, I didn't infer anything personal at all. I have nothing whatsoever to do with the police.

messengersays...

You don't think that all police officers occasionally witness other officers using too much force, or arresting people without cause, or otherwise abusing their authority? Fair. I cannot assert to what extent police break the law while on duty. My guess is far higher than yours and that's fine.

But it's pretty clear that police don't rat out other police, or if they do, no officer gets arrested. I'd be surprised to hear of more than a few cases in modern history of one police officer choosing to arrest another police officer for an offence they witnessed them commit in the line of duty. The "Blue Wall" and all that. They protect themselves.

As for my mistaking something, the layers of what comment refers to what comment have gone way over my head.

chicchoreasaid:

...while acknowledging that felonious conduct does indeed exists, I do not accept the premise that it is requisite or universal.

Nor do I accept that the failure to report is an inevitability.

Acceptable? Yes it is acceptable for you to believe that.

Correct? Not my say.

However, I somewhat suspect you mistook my original comment. My fault most likely. The quote should be read to the first comment.

chingalerasays...

Not my concern, though it saddens me that your big brain begins to hurt when you hear some truth-You mistake a condescending tone or holier-than-thou attitude for my having brought you a glimpse of the non-linearity I am both caught in the center of in real-time, and see increasing exponentially for the entire world.

While it's fun to imagine some fantasy land where everyone recycles, wars are gone, Jews and gentiles and Muslims all joining hands and playing X-Box One, it's heading in another direction.

You don't really have to decipher my dialog, I'm of average intelligence, and I'm not calling people sheeple, just observing the obvious based on years of work on self-awareness and the nature of mankind. We're predictable. Just like I predicted when taking-on this style of diatribe and discourse, picking one of many video depicting police action in the world today. I did this with purpose, to draw-out those of you who haven't figured it out yet that radical change is afoot.

Predictable also, is that something so incredibly horrifying as police and government in every single aspect of a modern human's life, could sound so utterly fantastic to someone who apparently resorts to "destroying the messenger" because the message is so abhorrent and unthinkable.
Sheppard did it, jump fight in and make my case for me.

Deepok Chopra is easier for me to understand that people throwing their human rights in the toilet for an inability to process information staring them right in the face.

Trancecoachsays...

Clearly you haven't grasped the difference between a government contract and a competitive free market.

But that's alright. If you "like your government-imposed serfdom, you can keep it."

ChaosEnginesaid:

And @Trancecoach, you really want to replace the police with private security? Yeah, 'cos that's worked out so well with prisons and the military (blackwater, etc)....

ChaosEnginesays...

Tell you what, I'll keep my "government imposed serfdom" and you can keep living in a magical fantasy land where the free market hasn't fucked up the planet, the economy and millions of peoples lives.

Trancecoachsaid:

Clearly you haven't grasped the difference between a government contract and a competitive free market.

But that's alright. If you "like your government-imposed serfdom, you can keep it."

ChaosEnginesays...

Cliff notes version.

chingalerasaid:

Not my concern, though it saddens me that your big brain begins to hurt when you hear some truth
I can't be bothered to try to communicate clearly. Also, I'm just going to state straight out that my position is the truth, which it clearly is, because I just wrote that it's true.


You mistake a condescending tone or holier-than-thou attitude for my having brought you a glimpse of the non-linearity I am both caught in the center of in real-time, and see increasing exponentially for the entire world.
I'm not trying to be a dick, but I am actually Dr. Who and I can see outside of time.

While it's fun to imagine some fantasy land where everyone recycles, wars are gone, Jews and gentiles and Muslims all joining hands and playing X-Box One, it's heading in another direction.
Completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand but PANIC!!!!

You don't really have to decipher my dialog,
As long as you're also a time lord, everything I say makes perfect sense.

I'm of average intelligence, and I'm not calling people sheeple, just observing the obvious based on years of work on self-awareness and the nature of mankind. We're predictable.
You're not sheep, but I don't have to take into account any kind of complexity, because everyone fits neatly into the little box of "those who disagree with me"

Just like I predicted when taking-on this style of diatribe and discourse, picking one of many video depicting police action in the world today. I did this with purpose, to draw-out those of you who haven't figured it out yet that radical change is afoot.
I'm trolling

Predictable also, is that something so incredibly horrifying as police and government in every single aspect of a modern human's life, could sound so utterly fantastic to someone who apparently resorts to "destroying the messenger" because the message is so abhorrent and unthinkable.
Sheppard did it, jump fight in and make my case for me.
Strangely, people took offense to my blanket generalisation of all police. Also, a police officer executing an arrest warrant is exactly the same as drone strikes, email spying, etc

Deepok Chopra is easier for me to understand that people throwing their human rights in the toilet for an inability to process information staring them right in the face.
Again, I know more than you do. Just trust me on this. Also, accepting that police play a necessary if unpleasant role in society means that you don't care about your rights. There can be no context around this.

Trancecoachsays...

So much ignorance.
Read the PDF I posted above.

Best of luck.

ChaosEnginesaid:

Tell you what, I'll keep my "government imposed serfdom" and you can keep living in a magical fantasy land where the free market hasn't fucked up the planet, the economy and millions of peoples lives.

chingalerasays...

Sorry man, really went-off with my idealistic view of the way humans might police themselves by first policing the police. I have had no hand in creating this monster save my own limitations in keeping my fear and ignorance from consuming me-Back to enjoying the hell out of life and not thinking to deeply.

Seriously and freal, it's when I'm the happiest, not having to think of the world as a surveillance prison. Happened in Europe, inevitable here considering the gullible peeps that make-up, "population now".

The criminal class is by design because we let an elite cabal (dicks who make policy with a view to a boot in every face, a camera in ever bedroom) design this illusion for us. Time to evolve, the molecule wants off the planet.

ChaosEnginesays...

Yeah, just started reading that.

Only a few pages in and he's already engaging in ad homs.
"left-wing egalitarians believe that slavery is Freedom.
The hawks wage endless war to end war, while the social democrats engage
in massive theft—or “taxation” as they call it—to eliminate crime"

Not sure that the rest of it is worth my time.

Trancecoachsaid:

So much ignorance.
Read the PDF I posted above.

Best of luck.

Trancecoachsays...

He is making reference to Orwell's "Slavery is Freedom." The hawks do wage endless war to end war and taxation is theft, as Chodorov and others have demonstrated, and social democrats do advocate massive taxation. Your gripe is a bit like complaining of ad hominem when saying Communists and Nazis engage in theft and murder. Sometimes people do bad things and that needs to be pointed out. There are however plenty of non-ad hominem argument provided by Murphy, which I encourage you to read.
Furthermore, "argumentum ad hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument."

These you cited above are not "fallacies" and hardly irrelevant, as they provide reasons why the current system is not desirable. In any case, I can put you in touch with the author to see if he'd like to respond to your response to his essay.

Robert is used to this kind of BS and has worked out some really good replies. This is the man who, after all, is challenging Krugman to a debate it seems Krugman will continue to avoid.

In any case, whether the rest of it is "worth your time" or not, only you can decide on that.

"From each according to their abilities, to each according to their need."

ChaosEnginesaid:

Yeah, just started reading that.

Only a few pages in and he's already engaging in ad homs.
"left-wing egalitarians believe that slavery is Freedom.
The hawks wage endless war to end war, while the social democrats engage
in massive theft—or “taxation” as they call it—to eliminate crime"

Not sure that the rest of it is worth my time.

chingalerasays...

Yeah well, a handful of cunts on this site fucked me into a corner because of their petty bullshit and dysfunction-Glad to know they're in their holes as well and would love to be able to engage them or embrace them, whichever they chose.
Pretty sure it was my tenacity and commitment to righteous action in the face of intolerant assholes who have done very little work on themselves and haven't the slightest clue who they really are that PROMPTED the creation of the invocations described.

Trolls hide under bridges, the righteous trot right the fuck across that bitch.

Also quite certain that for all their work to see me burn in hell, all it netted them was stigmatization and self-immolation once the smoke cleared.
Some folks brains start to burn when have to face the bullshit they've packed it with through years of disciplined unconsciousness.

The petty cop thugs who laughed and giggled (literally) as they served me a felony 3...Karma will take care of them, I pray for their enlightenment.

Duncansaid:

Now that's commitment.

ChaosEnginesays...

Really? It was a 1984 reference? Gee, thanks mister, I totally didn't get that, nosiree.

And while you can try to make an argument that taxation is theft, to state it outright like that is confusing opinion with fact. Most people do not view taxation as theft. It is part of a social contract.

So in the space of the first paragraph, you have engaged in a false premise and then brought up them evil commies and nazis. Yeah, this is a worthwhile argument....

I have zero interest in contacting Murphy, and I'm not surprised Krugman doesn't want to debate him either. As Dawkins says about debating creationists, "it looks good on your resume, not on mine".

Trancecoachsaid:

He is making reference to Orwell's "Slavery is Freedom." The hawks do wage endless war to end war and taxation is theft, as Chodorov and others have demonstrated, and social democrats do advocate massive taxation. Your gripe is a bit like complaining of ad hominem when saying Communists and Nazis engage in theft and murder. Sometimes people do bad things and that needs to be pointed out. There are however plenty of non-ad hominem argument provided by Murphy, which I encourage you to read.
Furthermore, "argumentum ad hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument."

These you cited above are not "fallacies" and hardly irrelevant, as they provide reasons why the current system is not desirable. In any case, I can put you in touch with the author to see if he'd like to respond to your response to his essay.

Robert is used to this kind of BS and has worked out some really good replies. This is the man who, after all, is challenging Krugman to a debate it seems Krugman will continue to avoid.

In any case, whether the rest of it is "worth your time" or not, only you can decide on that.

"From each according to their abilities, to each according to their need."

Trancecoachsays...

I would think that if you were really interested in learning anything (be it about private law enforcement or anything else), you'd know how to manage your own discomfort in order to read something fully without being so reactive and defensive, which only serves to confirm your biases.

You say that "most people don't think of taxation as theft," but such a notion is actually irrelevant to the point here. Did you sign a social contract? I certainly didn't. There's no such thing (and to believe in one is to be living in a fantasy world).

Look: No one is forcing you to read anything you don't want to read. It's your right to learn or not learn whatever you want. In fact, you shouldn't read it (as if I stood to gain anything by your reading it). The ignorance here (in my view) is your own and only you stand to benefit by addressing it. Whatever your life circumstances, they're your problem and you certainly don't need anyone else's (particularly my) input on the matter.

Your comments... well.. They speak for themselves. I wish you all the best and know that if you are happy with your situation then I have nothing to contribute to it and if you are not, then you have what you deserve.

People who cling to dogma or sarcasm aren't likely to change their views regardless of the 'evidence.' They have a different agenda. And that's their prerogative. And someone will always exploit it (if it hasn't been exploited already).

Many people read Murphy's work (along with Mises, Higgs, etc.) including Harvard professors and the heads of central banks, and the kings of various political persuasions. How many people read your views on economics, or care about what you think is "worth reading" or not?

I shouldn't give you this outlet here to feel important (as if this debate served any other purpose), but i don't want to be an enabler.

ChaosEnginesaid:

Really? It was a 1984 reference? Gee, thanks mister, I totally didn't get that, nosiree.

And while you can try to make an argument that taxation is theft, to state it outright like that is confusing opinion with fact. Most people do not view taxation as theft. It is part of a social contract.

So in the space of the first paragraph, you have engaged in a false premise and then brought up them evil commies and nazis. Yeah, this is a worthwhile argument....

I have zero interest in contacting Murphy, and I'm not surprised Krugman doesn't want to debate him either. As Dawkins says about debating creationists, "it looks good on your resume, not on mine".

CreamKsays...

Nothing wrong here, the girl is just shouting all the time. She even had her cuffs put on front after all that crying and what does she do? Tries to twist them off (FYI, it doesn't work..) while shouting "i'm hurting" when clearly no ones is hurting her. The bad thing about this kind of attitude is that if you're actually hurt, no one believes you and you get those unfortunate cases where someone is denied of medical care. There are tons of vids on police brutality, this is not one of them.

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