Brave Texas woman speaks out against legislators

So why exactly was she hauled off and not allowed to finish speaking? This is bullshit. Fuck the Texas Legislators and fuck Rick Perry.
Yogisays...

YES I LOVE HER! Especially the part where she says she's moving. Intelligent people should be able to apply for a grant to get money to move to another state when theirs sucks ass. If a place sucks you leave!

Jerykksays...

What was brave about this? Can you be arrested for ranting? Moving to a different state certainly isn't exactly brave either.

You can applaud her for being outspoken and passionate (or just sharing your opinion) but you shouldn't mistake that with bravery. That's a disservice to those who put their lives on the line for what they believe in.

VoodooVsays...

Miss, you're not helping.

As much as I might agree with you, being snarky, sarcastic, and ranting isn't the way to advance your case. All you're doing is providing the opposition with easy ammunition and an easy reason to dismiss you.

She said she had something more eloquent prepared, I would have rather heard that.

Sorry, this isn't bravery.

EvilDeathBeesays...

I see your point, but I disagree. I think maybe this sort of passion (without going too far by being incoherent and violent) is getting more necessary. It gets noticed and can reflect the attitude of a lot of people and hopefully convince them to get involved. Eloquent discourse can be dismissed and swept under the rug too easily

VoodooVsaid:

Miss, you're not helping.

As much as I might agree with you, being snarky, sarcastic, and ranting isn't the way to advance your case. All you're doing is providing the opposition with easy ammunition and an easy reason to dismiss you.

She said she had something more eloquent prepared, I would have rather heard that.

Sorry, this isn't bravery.

Engelssays...

Way to blame the victim. Regardless of how snarky she was, no matter how counter productive she became, dragging her off is what you should have focused on. Instead you end up looking like you're rushing to the defense of thin-skinned guilt-riddled Texas GOP legislators.

Lawdeedawsays...

It gets noticed in the same way a train wreck gets noticed. There is no positive direction with this. If anything, it sounds more Republican than a Republican... Both, to me and many others, were identical--the protester and the protested.

You're suggesting that the Republican way is "getting more necessary?" I doubt it.

Intelligent debate, period. We respect Neil Degrasse Tyson because he is an honorable man. We respect Charlie Crist and Obama because they let people speak in civil discourse.

EvilDeathBeesaid:

I see your point, but I disagree. I think maybe this sort of passion (without going too far by being incoherent and violent) is getting more necessary. It gets noticed and can reflect the attitude of a lot of people and hopefully convince them to get involved. Eloquent discourse can be dismissed and swept under the rug too easily

Lawdeedawsays...

Or, we could expect bigger things from our side of the debate?

Engelssaid:

Way to blame the victim. Regardless of how snarky she was, no matter how counter productive she became, dragging her off is what you should have focused on. Instead you end up looking like you're rushing to the defense of thin-skinned guilt-riddled Texas GOP legislators.

Januarisays...

As someone who lives and goes to school in Austin... what you hear is her voice, trembling out of a mixture of range and frustration. I've been to a lot of different events and rallies over the last month and all i can say is its a feeling shared by everyone there.

I really envy someone who could keep it together speak eloquently when actually getting to see these hypocrites in person... NOT an easy thing to do.

newtboysays...

I'm so glad I left Texas...where the freedom loving 'conservatives' enjoy the power to control, degrade, and eventually incarcerate anyone that thinks differently. It's hilarious that the right wants to constantly rail against the loss of their 'freedoms' unless it's a freedom to do something they don't like, then it's obviously the right thing to do to outlaw 'X' because it's wrong (in their tiny minds). They don't even see the hypocrisy they're so myopic.
So glad to be out. I loved the land, I liked many of the people, I could not tolerate the insane legislature(s).

chingalerasays...

Careless. What you left is to be enjoyed throughout the United States of Unconsciousness, regardless of invisible borders between the hectares...This particular abuse of the machine notwithstanding, you ran from what's essentially your own shadow cast by the sun, and the suns' everywhere-Blame for the insanity of governing bodies rests upon everyone's shoulders, no one state can be singled-out-

I stay here because all there is to be had somewhere else is more ineffectual whining from Americans who have been groomed for the past 50+ years to enjoy the smell of their own shit as their heads reside comfortably, up their own asses.

Conservative, liberal, progressive, partisan, democrat, republican, socialist, etc., these terms and labels have become absolutely meaningless and the discourse to be had on forums where these terms are slung-about like they actually mean something actual or tangible (including this one), banal, tiresome, and lacking any practical substance to affect change of any kind.

Moronic and pointless iffn yer askin', and since this soapbox tirade be unsolicited, enjoy your "freedom" wherever the grass seems greener. It's only a picture of grass, the real stuff will cost you money.

newtboysaid:

I'm so glad I left Texas...where the freedom loving 'conservatives' enjoy the power to control, degrade, and eventually incarcerate anyone that thinks differently. It's hilarious that the right wants to constantly rail against the loss of their 'freedoms' unless it's a freedom to do something they don't like, then it's obviously the right thing to do to outlaw 'X' because it's wrong (in their tiny minds). They don't even see the hypocrisy they're so myopic.
So glad to be out. I loved the land, I liked many of the people, I could not tolerate the insane legislature(s).

newtboysays...

Ahhh, more Chingaleraese. It's so difficult to wade through the morass of disjointed thoughts you spout. I think that's your intention with your ramblings. That is typical of Texas rightwingers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqs9DYisSsg
Mixed metaphors and run on thoughts not withstanding, I left Texas because my family moved for business when I was 13, so I didn't 'run from' anything. I did quickly decide that moving back was not in my best interest, because I'm not an anti-abortion, anti-minority, anti-liberal, anti-union, anti-tax, anti-intellectual, anti-evolution, anti-science, anti-education, anti-nonchristian, right wing nutjob.
True, there is no utopia of freedom, but there are certainly far better examples than Texas. In Texas, you have complete freedom to do as they say, but not the freedom to publicly disagree. As someone who has lived in many states, I can say with authority that Texas is one of the most hard nosed, anti 'freedom' states I've lived in. They love to talk about loving freedom, but hate to give it to anyone that thinks even slightly differently from them...consistently. They're simply too stupid or dumb to realize that real freedom means the freedom to do the unpopular, and consistently outlaw the unpopular in the name of freedom and liberty. It's just sad.

newtboyjokingly says...

In some states you are actually free to grow your own green grass. I understand this concept may be foreign to a 21st century Texan.

chingalerasaid:

enjoy your "freedom" wherever the grass seems greener. It's only a picture of grass, the real stuff will cost you money.

Bucksays...

4th amendmant gone - check
2nd almost gone - check
1st I guess as this vid shows gone too

wow I'm not even American and I would start an armed revolution by now. I guess we are all just too comfy and safe (while hearing FEAR FEAR FEAR from the media)


ps not sure if I got the right amendments correct me if I'm wrong

chingalerasays...

"That is typical of Texas rightwingers"

Love the broad brush-strokes, I use similar stereotypical sentiments when referring to MOST Americans regardless of their "state" of incarceration

So newtboyP, you left Texas at 13 because you had to, you lived with your parents at age 13 I trust, and semantics-be-damned, so you didn't "run", so please, "Go fuck yourself."(see, simply because I used some ad-hom the irony of your own directed at me is lost entirely in rules and regulations and adhesion to conduct)

I'd move to some idyllic utopia within this country but the only places that appeal to me have too many rednecks or too many pretentious university students-Sorry mate, I don't fit your convenient groups or labels we're a bit more enigmatic than all that.

You wanna analyze something how about picking-apart your last few sentences lamenting the mentality of everyone in a state 2/3 the size of Europe and again, using convenient labels and broad generalizations that fans of such tripe can soak the gravy up with after eating the manna falling from their asses like it was sent down from God herself.

I've lived everywhere but the eastern seaboard mate and "being" anywhere now is about as good as the shits gonna get-Your own ideas that grass is greener politically somewhere else and therefore better than state X over state Y,... self-indulgent and illusory.

chingalerasays...

Oh and for the record, abortions' a non-issue as are all diversions taking-up valuable "overthrow or seriously re-direct the cunts who run the show" air-time. People of all nations have the right to fuck themselves up or empower themselves however they wish, wither it be through unwanted or unplanned pregnancies and/or abortions, watching too much television, or taking copious amounts of illicit substances.

So if you want gun rights you don't move to Illinois, and if you want cunts out of your state legislature, demand it....which means becoming actively/physically involved other than watching from your computer monitor and spouting scripted, ineffectual party-line distraction like the bobble-heads on the telly-Time to put your riot gear on.

chingalerasays...

" That is typical of Texas rightwingers."

Oh and go and fuck yourselves, anyone who who uses the word "typical" when referring to large groups of (insert approved definition of "Texas rightwingers" here) people OR who begin a retort with "Actually, " when defending their point-by-point semantic breakdown of a paragraph with a view to using someone's state of residence as an earmark for their character. What a fucking tool a person like THAT would be.....

Jenova22says...

Uhhh, she was "hauled off and not allowed to finish speaking" because she got off topic and started using her time to personally attack members of the legislature. Like a child.

newtboyjokingly says...

Hit a bit too close to the mark, eh?
I really don't need to cut and paste your own comments to show the ridiculousness of your last tirade, do I?

chingalerasaid:

newtboy said: "That is typical of Texas rightwingers"

chingalaera said: So newtboyP, you left Texas at 13 because you had to, you lived with your parents at age 13 I trust, and semantics-be-damned, so you didn't "run", so please, "Go fuck yourself"
Bla-bla, waah-cry, only I can generalize and criticize others you doodie head, fuck you again, bla-bla-bla-waah-cry.

ChaosEnginesays...

4th - yeah that's gone.
1st - some attacks on it, but in general it's still pretty healthy
2nd - er, you do realise that's the one about guns, right? It's not "almost gone", it's not even close to being gone, because it's pretty much the only part of the american constitution that conservatives care about. They couldn't even get some reasonable controls passed.

Bucksaid:

4th amendmant gone - check
2nd almost gone - check
1st I guess as this vid shows gone too

newtboysays...

So, just to get things clear here, you're saying the rule is that you are allowed to label, overgeneralize, degrade and denigrate 100% of Americans and/or 100% of non Texans as a homogeneous group with their heads up their asses, but others are not allowed to complain about 'typical' members of other groups? I choose to exercise my freedom to not follow that ridiculous, self serving rule you've made up. Thanks.
If you can't keep it straight that I'm talking about the sub set of far right wing Texans and want to ascribe my comments to ALL Texans, that's on you not me. I feel I was quite clear.
If you want to intentionally miss-read and miss-represent my statement that there is no perfect utopia, and reverse what I said 180 deg. in order to set up a straw man you CAN argue against and a position you CAN ridicule you may, but most people reading can see that you did it, and it's not a good look. It just makes you look like your comprehension skills are severely lacking (or that your simply a whining little troll having a temper tantrum).

chingalerasaid:

"That is typical of Texas rightwingers"

Love the broad brush-strokes, I use similar stereotypical sentiments when referring to MOST Americans regardless of their "state" of incarceration

You wanna analyze something how about picking-apart your last few sentences lamenting the mentality of everyone in a state 2/3 the size of Europe and again...

peggedbeasays...

No, choggie my love is correct.

As someone who hasn't lived in Texas since you were 13, you do not hold an insiders perspective and therefore should not speak as if you do.

This video exists because all of us "typical texas freedom hating right wingers" are SCREAMING by the thousands to stop these insane laws in their tracks. We're far from the only state with these types of laws on the books or attempting to weasel their way onto the books. And these laws are making it to the books not because people are so pro-life and against reproductive choice, it's because these laws are making someone with much more power a lot of MONEY.

The problem is not that your average poor stupid fuck red neck hill billy cousin fuckin po dunk texas trash is actually in favor of this shit, the problem is $$ in government. And thats a problem common to the entire GLOBE. No matter what superior state you're typing from your high horse in.

newtboysaid:

Ahhh, more Chingaleraese. It's so difficult to wade through the morass of disjointed thoughts you spout. I think that's your intention with your ramblings. That is typical of Texas rightwingers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqs9DYisSsg
Mixed metaphors and run on thoughts not withstanding, I left Texas because my family moved for business when I was 13, so I didn't 'run from' anything. I did quickly decide that moving back was not in my best interest, because I'm not an anti-abortion, anti-minority, anti-liberal, anti-union, anti-tax, anti-intellectual, anti-evolution, anti-science, anti-education, anti-nonchristian, right wing nutjob.
True, there is no utopia of freedom, but there are certainly far better examples than Texas. In Texas, you have complete freedom to do as they say, but not the freedom to publicly disagree. As someone who has lived in many states, I can say with authority that Texas is one of the most hard nosed, anti 'freedom' states I've lived in. They love to talk about loving freedom, but hate to give it to anyone that thinks even slightly differently from them...consistently. They're simply too stupid or dumb to realize that real freedom means the freedom to do the unpopular, and consistently outlaw the unpopular in the name of freedom and liberty. It's just sad.

peggedbeasays...

Thousands of people have shown up to testify at the capitol about this bill. We're only talking about this woman. Her speech was obviously effective. If I gave a few more shits, I'd link it... but you can find an interview with her where she describes exactly what drove her to scrap her prepared speech and go with this one instead. Having read reports and listened to personal accounts from friends who where there, her comments were actually relevant. And I'm glad she said them.

Obedience doesn't drive change. You respect Crist and Obama because they have money behind them and a good PR crew. They're on the right side of a false dichotomy. They play "good cop" for people who share a similar world view with you.

You watched a video of this nobody insulting elected officials because she's interesting and has balls for days.

Lawdeedawsaid:

It gets noticed in the same way a train wreck gets noticed. There is no positive direction with this. If anything, it sounds more Republican than a Republican... Both, to me and many others, were identical--the protester and the protested.

You're suggesting that the Republican way is "getting more necessary?" I doubt it.

Intelligent debate, period. We respect Neil Degrasse Tyson because he is an honorable man. We respect Charlie Crist and Obama because they let people speak in civil discourse.

Velocity5says...

A lot of liberals and conservatives debate like wild animals, like the speaker in this video.

It takes a minimum level of humanity to recognize that we can still debate like human beings

Lawdeedawsays...

No, I downvoted this crap because it was crap. I felt, I don't know, less for watching this video and voiced that.

I didn't think you supported the Republican way of fighting battles, but meh if one side fights dirty the other is entitled I guess.

Last, I mentioned Neil Degrasse Tyson so that people couldn't use the "he has money and good PR" reasoning. I don't respect Crist and Obama for that crap. I think they are genuinely good people--though against the machine they are useless. That is because the average voter is part of the problem.

Crist lost his spot for two reasons. One, he ran for the wrong office and two he was a populist. I respect that.

peggedbeasaid:

Thousands of people have shown up to testify at the capitol about this bill. We're only talking about this woman. Her speech was obviously effective. If I gave a few more shits, I'd link it... but you can find an interview with her where she describes exactly what drove her to scrap her prepared speech and go with this one instead. Having read reports and listened to personal accounts from friends who where there, her comments were actually relevant. And I'm glad she said them.

Obedience doesn't drive change. You respect Crist and Obama because they have money behind them and a good PR crew. They're on the right side of a false dichotomy. They play "good cop" for people who share a similar world view with you.

You watched a video of this nobody insulting elected officials because she's interesting and has balls for days.

peggedbeasays...

I started to argue with you, it was a good one too. All about relevance and irrelevance and civil disobedience. But then I realized that my point was, nobody cares. And then I realized that I don't care.

I realized that having political opinions bears little difference to having religious ones. There's so much faith, too many assumptions, too much arrogance, side picking, divisiveness, manipulation and social control involved in both. So I'm agnostic. Both politically as well religiously. The issues are too big, too convoluted, and too interconnected for me to actually know or understand whats going on... and it sounds like arrogance to me now when someone talks politics. Particularly when it comes down to the silliness of assigning traits and personalities and connotations to words like republican or democrat. It's an arrogant, binary way to look at something. And it reeks of brain washing.

So my point again, fuck it. Imma read some books and go to bed.

Lawdeedawsaid:

No, I downvoted this crap because it was crap. I felt, I don't know, less for watching this video and voiced that.

I didn't think you supported the Republican way of fighting battles, but meh if one side fights dirty the other is entitled I guess.

Last, I mentioned Neil Degrasse Tyson so that people couldn't use the "he has money and good PR" reasoning. I don't respect Crist and Obama for that crap. I think they are genuinely good people--though against the machine they are useless. That is because the average voter is part of the problem.

Crist lost his spot for two reasons. One, he ran for the wrong office and two he was a populist. I respect that.

newtboysays...

Um, because I don't live there today, (and you have absolutely no idea how long that's been since I moved, do you) it doesn't mean I have no contact with Texans and that I don't spend time there...my entire family didn't move. I am privy to the insanity that happens in Texas on a daily basis, I am a Texas native, I talk to Texans daily, and I can read. Your position that 'if you don't live here, you can't comment on our actions' is insane and just dumb. Today's Texans don't follow that rule and constantly talk shit about other states they've never visited, much less lived in. Some (many) of you talk major shit about the entire nation excepting Texas (Chingalera, I'm looking at you here).
Really, you're claiming it's the it's the right wing Texans that are up in arms about the anti-choice bills that the right wing Texan legislature is forcing into law? That's such utter BS it doesn't deserve a response, but I'll give it one anyway. I'm sure there are some, perhaps even thousands of Republicans in the entire state that agree with the 'liberal douchebags' (I've rarely heard the former not followed by the latter from a Texan) on this issue, and MILLIONS upon millions of their compatriots that believe the opposite. (perhaps you're confusing what I wrote with what your love, chogie, in his typical fashion misrepresented as my position. Only he said ALL Texans are right wing nutjobs, that wasn't me). Fail.
The problem is all the 'hill billy cusin fuckin po dunk Texas trash' and the 'high falootin rich Texas debutantes' vote for the right wing nut jobs even if they don't agree with their positions. (Honestly, most Texans I've talked to usually don't look into the candidate's positions, just their party, to determine who to vote for, and these are well educated people.)
I'll say it once again, there is no utopia (it's the only straw man you have left, so I'm burning it). Because there's no place that's perfect does not stop me from seeing that some places offer more 'freedom' than others, and Texas is not one of those places if you aren't a right wing Christian.

peggedbeasaid:

No, choggie my love is correct.

As someone who hasn't lived in Texas since you were 13, you do not hold an insiders perspective and therefore should not speak as if you do.

This video exists because all of us "typical texas freedom hating right wingers" are SCREAMING by the thousands to stop these insane laws in their tracks. We're far from the only state with these types of laws on the books or attempting to weasel their way onto the books. And these laws are making it to the books not because people are so pro-life and against reproductive choice, it's because these laws are making someone with much more power a lot of MONEY.

The problem is not that your average poor stupid fuck red neck hill billy cousin fuckin po dunk texas trash is actually in favor of this shit, the problem is $$ in government. And thats a problem common to the entire GLOBE. No matter what superior state you're typing from your high horse in.

chingalerasays...

So newtboy....Your points kinna lost on me and you seem to think that there's some kind of idiot disease keeping Texas from offering you the peace-of-mind of being surrounded by people with similar "progressive" ideas? Hell man, the entire countrys' full of imbeciles who haven't a clue how the system works to enslave (you apparently are in this group WITH ALL OF US!!) EVERYONE...

uhhh, New York and Chicago are full of out-of-touch kool-aid drinkers if you want the opinion of someone who distrusts any and all governments, any and all monetary systems, etc etc you see where this is going???

California: biggest flake-fest on the planet, lived there would never go back to do so again. Colorado, Oregon, Washington State, Arkansas....Lived a lotta places and always come back to Texas-

You are wrong about the greener grass elsewhere, and Texas has plenty of highway, covered in Ladybird Johnson's neurosis for having married a cock-sucking murderer.

Now-You have issues obviously with Christianity as well,maybe you should check yer shit because3 that very last sentence of yours?? This one:
"and Texas is not one of those places if you aren't a right wing Christian."

Well sir, that's simply untrue and fucking retarded. You have a childish bias shaped like a corn-cob in some hidden place in need of extrication perhaps??

chingalerasays...

Oh and thank you very much peggedbea, for coming to my defense-Yeah NewtboyP ,i ain't one of those born-again types either, I ain't right or left of center, apolitical, pro-guns, right-to-lifer (i.e. the right to follow will), and I know the hand of who is fucking me at any given time with regard to laws and governments UNLIKE many many many people who haven't a duckling clue what they believe but simply parrot that which supports their delusions(esp. with regard to politics and religion)....Which is a category I feel you so passionately represent.

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