Good point, but I've tried suggesting some major fixes to the powers that be. I think they're too busy to implement things.

story of your life...

Agreed, pqueue'd vids need dead to work.

I totally think the same thing, there's a vid in someone's pqueue that is dead right now, they're not around and I wanna promote it badly! It just seems right to allow others to fix pq vids for you, so then they can get sifted possibly if you're not around for a while too

*promote

Let's not have this fall off the radar without official Sift input...

As seen in this previous sift talk post, it is something much desired for the sift community: http://www.videosift.com/talk/What-to-do-with-Dead-PQueued-Videos

Whaddaya say Lucky?

Self promoting this Sift Talk post - promote requested by original submitter Stingray.

I second the suggestion.

The reasons for this are all technical ones. It's not impossible, just something that would require a lot of time-consuming, bug-creating, gut-hacking work to implement.

If you're interested in the details, it's basically because siftbot only knows a single status for a video (e.g., queued, pqueued, published, dead, etc.) So if the status is changed from one to the other then back again, siftbot must make an assumption about what to go back to. E.g., currently if a post is published then it goes dead then it gets fixed, siftbot knows after getting fixed it should go back to being published. However, if a post goes from queued or pqueued to dead and it gets fixed, siftbot would assume it's supposed to go back to being published, but that's obviously incorrect.

So, the sloppy business would have to redesign all posts to perhaps remember 2 statuses like "current" and "actual" status or something. But doing that will require a major rewrite of a ton of code that could cause a lot of unforeseeable bugs and complications and permanently break the site altogether. Is that what you want? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?!

^Yes, that's what I want. Along with a pound of flesh. And your first born.

>> ^lucky760:
So, the sloppy business would have to redesign all posts to perhaps remember 2 statuses like "current" and "actual" status or something. But doing that will require a major rewrite of a ton of code that could cause a lot of unforeseeable bugs and complications and permanently break the site altogether. Is that what you want? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?!

Why not make a new state for "Dead PQueue"? That way it would be a less back breaking change, I'd imagine.

>> ^lucky760:
So, the sloppy business would have to redesign all posts to perhaps remember 2 statuses like "current" and "actual" status or something. But doing that will require a major rewrite of a ton of code that could cause a lot of unforeseeable bugs and complications and permanently break the site altogether. Is that what you want? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?!


Thanks for explaining it. I sympathize with you as I am also a coder and understand how it sucks to implement given the current design.

How about this:

Only allow published or pqueued videos to be flagged as dead. Once a video is fixed or marked as notdead, an if statement can check the vote count and sort it appropriately...


if (VideoVoteCount >= 10)
{
    SendToPublished();
}
else
{
    SendToPqueued();
}


I see how it is. Siftbot this Siftbot that. You don't love us anymore.

>> ^NetRunner:
Why not make a new state for "Dead PQueue"? That way it would be a less back breaking change, I'd imagine.

This would be equally daunting because all the code is built to use the "dead" status so adding a new "deadpq" would mean modifying everything to check for both statuses. But good thinking.


>> ^Stingray:
Thanks for explaining it. I sympathize with you as I am also a coder and understand how it sucks to implement given the current design. How about this: Only allow published or pqueued videos to be flagged as dead. Once a video is fixed or marked as notdead, an if statement can check the vote count and sort it appropriately...

Thanks for the empathy. That's a very solid compromise, to just allow pqueued vids to have dead invoked. I think we can go ahead with that solution.

*quality solution, stingray. Thanks for your help with this.

Awarding Stingray with one star point for this contribution to Sift Talk - declared quality by kronosposeidon.

>> ^kronosposeidon:
quality solution, stingray. Thanks for your help with this.


Thanks! Glad I could help.

What's the point of not being able to dead an unsifted video has been added as a related post - related requested by lucky760 on that post.

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