Video Thumbnails or Full Embeds?
Now that we appear to have the performance issues taken care of (knock, knock) - we're moving on to other UI stuff.
We're getting lots of mail about the new site - praise, hate and shades in-between. We're reading all of it, and digesting it. One of the biggest beefs appears to be with the new thumbnail listings for videos. Here are the complaints as I see them.
1. Too small, I can't see what's going on
2. An extra click to launch?!? (my poor mouse finger)
3. unenticing- I don't feel like playing the video if it's not there.
4. You're a video site damn it!, not a thumbnail site!
5. Too squished over to the right, too crowded.
That seems to sum up the complaints. Here are our reasons for displaying thumbnails.
1. 10 embeds adds 400K to the front page
2. We can't control the slowness of the embed loading. If "kickarsevideos.com" is down, it can slow down the whole front page.
3. we can display more posts per page with thumbs (currently 15, was 10)
4. minimizing a playing video stops it loading
5. If no video is maximized, we can periodically refresh the front page, bring in any new videos.
So there are the pros and cons. Here's what we could about the situation.
1. bring back the full embeds.
2. employ auto-play on clicking a thumbnail, so it's only 1 click
3. leave as is, but make a profile setting to enable full embed display.
4. Do nothing.
Your input is appreciated, please discuss.
We're getting lots of mail about the new site - praise, hate and shades in-between. We're reading all of it, and digesting it. One of the biggest beefs appears to be with the new thumbnail listings for videos. Here are the complaints as I see them.
1. Too small, I can't see what's going on
2. An extra click to launch?!? (my poor mouse finger)
3. unenticing- I don't feel like playing the video if it's not there.
4. You're a video site damn it!, not a thumbnail site!
5. Too squished over to the right, too crowded.
That seems to sum up the complaints. Here are our reasons for displaying thumbnails.
1. 10 embeds adds 400K to the front page
2. We can't control the slowness of the embed loading. If "kickarsevideos.com" is down, it can slow down the whole front page.
3. we can display more posts per page with thumbs (currently 15, was 10)
4. minimizing a playing video stops it loading
5. If no video is maximized, we can periodically refresh the front page, bring in any new videos.
So there are the pros and cons. Here's what we could about the situation.
1. bring back the full embeds.
2. employ auto-play on clicking a thumbnail, so it's only 1 click
3. leave as is, but make a profile setting to enable full embed display.
4. Do nothing.
Your input is appreciated, please discuss.
34 Comments
I like it the way it is, but a profile setting might make everyone happy.
I say leave it be, get used to it, take yer medicine. Thumbnails that don't entice??? Bifocals. Too squished to the right?? Move yer chair. Don't feeeeel like playing the viddy? Tell mom.
Get on with it-like a shot. Seriously, just takes gettin' used to...I may by February.....
Definitely keep the thumbnails - the benefits far outweigh the problems, imho. I think a profile setting is probably the way to go, since it would seem to solve more of the complaints.
Keep it exactly the way it is now.
2.
I like the thumbnails; Firefox gets very CPU-hungry when I have too many vids open. The thumbs help a lot.
People always grumble about a change..give em a week. In this podcast, Kos of the Daily Kos talks about how people went nuts when he changed a header from black to green...
The only thing I would possibly change would be to have the vids play automatically when clicking on a thumbnail. Even that's iffy to me. I quite like it how it is.
I pick #2. If I click a video, then of course I'm going to play it. Maybe #3, too, so long as it doesn't cause too much trouble. If it does, we got bigger bugs to take care of.
I say:
2. employ auto-play on clicking a thumbnail, so it's only 1 click
I clicked on it why wouldn't I want it to play? If I don't like it then I can click and miinimize again. Would be nice to have a profile setting for the thumbnail size (small or large)
The thumbnails rock! and the only thing I think you need to do is make them play autoplay when clicked because there is no need for that extra click. Otherwise they kick ass and so does the inline comment viewing!!
I don't care. I always like to click on the video to spawn a new so I can vote on the site, beside VS, too!
Wow. It seems like an avalanche of agreement in favor of the thumbnails. That's really great to see.
We should all keep in mind a couple of things when considering what should/shouldn't be done (if anything) to thumbnails.
1) A good benefit is we can have an almost accurate count of views for the videos. If they were just displayed on the page again, we'd have no way to know how many people actually viewed it, so our new queue sorting would be null and void. It's for this reason it should not be an option in your account preferences.
2) If we made the thumbnails auto-play on click, due to the plethora of different embed codings across all the video embed providers, only a portion of them would actually auto play. Anything not supported would probably puzzlingly require you to apply the second click.
Please let us know what you think about these two points as well.
I like the way it is also, and agree that an autoplay function when clicking on it is a good idea.
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For those videos that we *know* we can't autoplay, we should perhaps put up a little message "no autoplay - press play on video"
Anyone want to help us out by identifying all the autoplay variable names for our hosts?
I'm still in favor of number 3, a profile option (set to thumbnail mode by default I guess). Preferrably, if one has this option set to full mode, still leaving the ability to minimize them (often find myself wanting to stop a video from loading after I've seen a part of it)
Choice is gooood..
Yep, my 2 cents in is for auto-play thumbnails too. The pages load faster. That helps alot when I'm quick sifting for decade labeled vintage
I like it the way it is, bonus because the click doesnt load up a whole new page, it's pretty quick at popping the video up.
With that say if there are users who really do want the long list of embeds maybe a profile option would make them happy too.
Aren't they thumbnailed to keep track of how many people view the video, as well. That's been something people have been talking about for a long time, and it seems as if you guys have solved that problem. Unless that's done some other cool way. Anyway, I like the new diggs.
+1 for auto-play. Or leave it. Either way I'm not fussed. I think this is a question that is best asked after everyone has had a while to absorb the changes and I don't think it's been long enough.
Either thumbnails or embedded images doesn't matter which, as long as their is some way to make the initial images bigger.
>>Aren't they thumbnailed to keep track of how many people view the video, as well.
Precisely my point. If people can view videos on listing pages we'll have no way to track views, so at the very least, the queue ordering system will essentially be busted.
Yes, I love the thumbnails...and the idea of a user option for their size. Autoplay on the post click sounds like it will work, too.
Give the user the choice, also while on choice how about when hitting the unsifted page give us a choice as to how we want to have the sort done and make it user definable and sticky.
thumbnails are great (especially on my olde powerbooke which hates processor hog flash) but on the right is the worst possible place to put them. would rather they were DELETED than on the right.
arrggghhh my eyes!!!!!!!
autoplay is a good idea.
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I don't understand the wrongness of rightness - I feel like it balances the similarly sized votebox on the other side.
Thumbnails. Any change is hard because it's change. Humans have a good history of adapting to changes. I think it just takes some getting used to. And the pages load a lot faster then in 2.5. Don't fix what ain't broke!
Dag, in 2.0, it seemed natural to read the title, look straight down for the tags and video, then look straight down again for the description and comments. Now, the thumbnail is relatively out of the way, and the thumbnails do seem rather small. I definitely vote for a left-sided or centered thumbnail.
I think I prefer the thumbnails over full embeds, as long as the site can consistently load the videos quickly after clicking the thumbnail.
I really like it the way it is now. It seems some would like bigger thumbnails, but that wouldn't complicate the view counts any. Maybe a profile option for thumbnail size? As far as the autoplay... personally, I don't like it when the vid starts automatically, but I'm a control freak. I don't understand why it is such an inconvenience for some to click "play". YouTube has autoplay, but YouTube hosts all its own videos, and, as Lucky said, you'd still have to hit "play" on some videos. I'd think that would be more maddening for some of you than just hitting "play" on every vid.
+1 support for autoplay
The video sites that don't support autoplay could be listed in the FAQ of Videosift under a question "Why does this video not play automatically Etc."
For what it's worth, I like the autoplay option.
I also prefer the right-hand thumbnails. Makes everything nice and even. Everybody is going to have a different opinion on what would be the perfect setup. Seems the best way to to keep everyone happy as a puppy with two peters is more profile options.
Yes, turn on autoplay. For the few sites (<1% of videos) that are submitted that do not support autoplay, I'm sure people can live with figuring out they have to click play.
My recommendation is the default page for browser with no javascript is to load up a v2.5 style page. But I think you should stick with the twistie video. It at least sets you apart from the other video sites.
And if you use FlashBlock, then you didn't have to wait to load the extra 440k (except the images)
A bit off-topic, but I'd like to see who voted for/against a video when I open the comments inline.
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Thanks for all your feedback all- thumbnails and autoplay it is! *unsticky
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