Russian Cargo Ship Loses Cargo of Big Ass Pipes

articiansays...

Curiosity-
How much does something like this cost? Who's responsible for it? The shipping company? Shipping company insurance? Are there any attempts at recovering what falls off, or are they just considered a loss and left in the ocean?

siftbotsays...

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bremnetsays...

They aren't wrapped in wood, but if this is uncoated pipe, some will lightly tack weld a ridge or piece of scrap barstock to the OD of the pipe to keep it from rolling when building the stack; they aren't there to prevent this type of major rolling action. At around 1:33 you can see one of these going over the edge. Just guessing, but these look to be in the 20" to 30" diameter range with plenty of length, so they're just really small ships with the ends cut off and will float for a bit until well flooded - lots of surface area there for some buoyancy, and I've seen 40 foot joints of 20" diameter casing float near the surface for 30 seconds or so when a bubble gets trapped temporarily inside before burping out and sinking to the bottom. At around 2:15 you can see the big reddish block with the vertical groove right on the corner of the load platform about 1/4 of the way up the frame. That's where normal humans stab the stake or pipe to help contain the load (so, the vertical pipe or solid stake goes in the hole, the load is built, and no rolling can occur - momentum is the killer here, so if you keep things from rolling, life is good. This was an excellent example of how not to load pipe on a barge / ship.

Paybacksaid:

I was wondering why some of them seemed to float, but it looks like they were wrapped in wood planks.

poolcleanersays...

Questions about your question: What is the cost per pipe? What would the cost of labor be to recover? Would they be easy to locate?

articiansaid:

Are there any attempts at recovering what falls off, or are they just considered a loss and left in the ocean?

Paybacksays...

Pause it right at the beginning. The second layer of pipe, first pipe, under the snow, seems to have lengths of 2x4 wrapping it like a barrel. Now I think about it, they probably wrap each other layer for protection of the layer above and below, which would suggest coated pipe.

bremnetsaid:

They aren't wrapped in wood, but if this is uncoated pipe, some will lightly tack weld a ridge or piece of scrap barstock to the OD of the pipe to keep it from rolling when building the stack

bremnetsays...

Yep, that puzzled me too. Note that the pipes are covered with ice and snow, and the tie downs are cutting grooves (circumferential) into the pipe you reference but not the lower one on the right hand side, so something "soft" there - I ascribed the marks to perhaps lifting or handling cut into the snow and ice that seems to be stuck fairly well on that joint. Perhaps different cladding, though looking end on before things start to move shows fairly clearly that there is some form of coating on the pipes (why can't everybody just use the same 323 Scotchkote color and keep things simple). If you have a look after the first big shift at 1:05, you can find a clear frame where the end on view of the same pipe doesn't appear to have any layer beyond the assumed coating (ie. no 2x4's) and much of the snow / ice has been shaken off (another clear frame around 1:09). Normally if they're stacking coated pipe, even a full joint, two or three bands of heavy polypropylene rope (1" - 2" diam) with the ends hot melted together to make a single hoop keeps the pipes from scuffing one another in transport. But then again, there's nothing normal about how this load was built, so anything's possible I guess. Cheers.

Paybacksaid:

Pause it right at the beginning. The second layer of pipe, first pipe, under the snow, seems to have lengths of 2x4 wrapping it like a barrel. Now I think about it, they probably wrap each other layer for protection of the layer above and below, which would suggest coated pipe.

Paybacksays...

I was thinking they'd probably be better off laying the load across the ship, although I'm sure there's probably some rule of thumb I'm missing as I've never even knowingly talked to a longshoreman.

I can't see a freighter accelerating or decelerating quickly enough to cause movement like listing through waves. Plus, if you get side gusts, it would cut down on the wind resistance.

bremnetsaid:

But then again, there's nothing normal about how this load was built, so anything's possible I guess. Cheers.

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