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Christ, this man is a fucking idiot. You can tell by his body language that he has a sound-byte level of understanding about Libya.

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Brain process:
Do I agree with Obama about Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
What did he do in Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
What is Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
Who is Obama? Does not compute. Return up one level.
How can I disagree with him without knowing the above? Does not compute. Return up one level.
Adjust jacket. Does not compute. Return up one level.
Say "Niggerhead"


And que QM's response to this video:
"I'd still rather than this guy than Nobama HUSSEIN BinBama. A fire hydrant could do a better job ................ ......... blah blah blah"

...and people keep expecting the GOP to be led by someone who's NOT a puppet figurehead selected by corporate america?

"Yes you still get to vote! It's a democracy after all ... We just make sure you vote for who we choose for you"

CAIN!

Alt title: Watch Herman Cain trying to remember his lines.

Whenever I see Herman Cain speak, I think this. And then I consider the fact that he's been accused of sexual abuse, and I get a lot more serious.

Don't the last 3.5 years speak for themselves?

If not, there's always this.

Obama without Teleprompter

You were warned, America. Not by the libmedia, of course.

Bonus! Algore at Monticello

CAIN/HYDRANT '12



>> ^Kofi:

Brain process:
Do I agree with Obama about Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
What did he do in Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
What is Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
Who is Obama? Does not compute. Return up one level.
How can I disagree with him without knowing the above? Does not compute. Return up one level.
Adjust jacket. Does not compute. Return up one level.
Say "Niggerhead"

And que QM's response to this video:
"I'd still rather than this guy than Nobama HUSSEIN BinBama. A fire hydrant could do a better job ................ ......... blah blah blah"

Ready for Primetime, Mr. Pizza?

@quantumushroom

Would you like Obama if he changed parties?

http://videosift.com/video/Stuff-Twirling-in-my-head-5-min-of-Herman-Cain-on-Libya

Here is the full Libya part of the interview. It is amazing. Like watching a trainwreck.

QM, I tend to disagree with many of your political comments, but I have to say that I think you are right about something. That is: Obama has not lived up to the (gigantic) expectations that people had for him. The "change" that was "hoped" for was not to the extent that was needed/expected.

That said, parties aside, what would you have wanted to see done differently over the last 4ish years? I don't mean who does what. I'm not asking for your favorite candidate or historical president. For a minute I'd like to pretend that that doesn't matter or don't exist, and presidents never have names. I'm just interested in what actions/decisions could have been taken/made that you might have approved of. What could have been done differently to land us in a better place for us both, and Americans in general?

And, again without giving any mention to political stripes, how would you make the world a better place?

>> ^quantumushroom:

Don't the last 3.5 years speak for themselves?
If not, there's always this.

Obama without Teleprompter
You were warned, America. Not by the libmedia, of course.
Bonus! Algore at Monticello
CAIN/HYDRANT '12

>> ^Kofi:
Brain process:
Do I agree with Obama about Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
What did he do in Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
What is Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
Who is Obama? Does not compute. Return up one level.
How can I disagree with him without knowing the above? Does not compute. Return up one level.
Adjust jacket. Does not compute. Return up one level.
Say "Niggerhead"

And que QM's response to this video:
"I'd still rather than this guy than Nobama HUSSEIN BinBama. A fire hydrant could do a better job ................ ......... blah blah blah"

How DARE Obama get anything right; obviously, everything Obama does must be wrong! It's the republican way!

What the fuck are you on about? Theres a huge difference in what Obama does in that video, He's struggling to make a point, sure, and he forgets a few words, which is actually pretty rare coming from him, his speeches are pretty flawless, even the ones without teleprompters (BTW, do you even remember that last president?) But basically, he fails to make the point clearly, and he ends up mangling the sentence and loose the point, fair enough

But Cain doesnt trip up words or forget a phrase: He has no clue what to say, or even what his opinion is supposed to be on this topic, this extremely relevant, important topic, and he doesnt know what he himself thinks about it. And apparantly, he cant make up his mind until he knows what Obama thinks, so that he could "think" the opposite, but then he doesnt know what Obama thinks either, so he's fucked.
>> ^quantumushroom:

Don't the last 3.5 years speak for themselves?
If not, there's always this.

Obama without Teleprompter
You were warned, America. Not by the libmedia, of course.
Bonus! Algore at Monticello
CAIN/HYDRANT '12

>> ^Kofi:
Brain process:
Do I agree with Obama about Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
What did he do in Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
What is Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
Who is Obama? Does not compute. Return up one level.
How can I disagree with him without knowing the above? Does not compute. Return up one level.
Adjust jacket. Does not compute. Return up one level.
Say "Niggerhead"

And que QM's response to this video:
"I'd still rather than this guy than Nobama HUSSEIN BinBama. A fire hydrant could do a better job ................ ......... blah blah blah"

Cain wreck™

The guy wasn't employed by the Koch bros for his political smarts. He's republican. He's black. He has a lot of cash. He is a Koch employee, hired to run for the presidency.

>> ^BicycleRepairMan:

What the fuck are you on about? Theres a huge difference in what Obama does in that video, He's struggling to make a point, sure, and he forgets a few words, which is actually pretty rare coming from him, his speeches are pretty flawless, even the ones without teleprompters (BTW, do you even remember that last president?) But basically, he fails to make the point clearly, and he ends up mangling the sentence and loose the point, fair enough
But Cain doesnt trip up words or forget a phrase: He has no clue what to say, or even what his opinion is supposed to be on this topic, this extremely relevant, important topic, and he doesnt know what he himself thinks about it. And apparantly, he cant make up his mind until he knows what Obama thinks, so that he could "think" the opposite, but then he doesnt know what Obama thinks either, so he's fucked.
>> ^quantumushroom:
Don't the last 3.5 years speak for themselves?
If not, there's always this.

Obama without Teleprompter
You were warned, America. Not by the libmedia, of course.
Bonus! Algore at Monticello
CAIN/HYDRANT '12

>> ^Kofi:
Brain process:
Do I agree with Obama about Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
What did he do in Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
What is Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
Who is Obama? Does not compute. Return up one level.
How can I disagree with him without knowing the above? Does not compute. Return up one level.
Adjust jacket. Does not compute. Return up one level.
Say "Niggerhead"

And que QM's response to this video:
"I'd still rather than this guy than Nobama HUSSEIN BinBama. A fire hydrant could do a better job ................ ......... blah blah blah"




Amen.

Don't bother with mushroom though, it's 99% confirmed that he's just trolling for the lolz.

The most painful part of the video is watching him try to buy time as he tries to remember the talking points his minders made him memorize. He knows the key words are Libya and Obama, which slowly leads him to remembering something about an uprising, which leads him to remembering that questioning the opposition was the important talking point. Unfortunately he takes so long trying to remember these little keywords, while mumbling about them, that it becomes apparent for all that is the extent of his knowledge of the subject. That his planned attack on Obama then becomes his failure to get all the facts first is just a whole separate level of insanity.

Yeah... the problem here isn't that he "has to think about it" or something. Thinking is fine. Not being able to call every detail to mind is fine. It's probably a good thing if someone actually tries to respond to a specific question rather than just brain-dumping talking points generally associated with an issue.

But his visible train of thought here calls to question his ability to do the job (which will require the ability to state himself clearly in high pressure situations), his knowledge, his preparation, and - generally - his commitment.

Surely he knows this specific question is coming; how, at this point, can he not be ready? If you had a list of likely questions, I'd say a question on Libya would be at least in the top 20. Questions on your specific health care plan would be top 5 (and he flubbed that one last week).

He doesn't seem serious about this, and that just doesn't work.

What's hilarious about this is when he asks the reporter to repeat the question but this time giving him some specific information he can riff about.
The guy does not have a clue what he's talking about and we all know it. He might as well say "I wanna be President! Obama is poo! I don't like him!"

Before we begin, you know what's missing from these comments? WHat DID Barry think of the Libyan crisis?

Here's what I knew: if Gaddafi won out, then His Earness would be for Gaddafi, if the rebels won, he'd be for the rebels (tho now it looks like radical islamoturds will be taking over). Now THAT'S fucking LEADERSHIP! Wouldn't ya say?

If it was Obama stumped on a question, you would have a long list of excuses why he flubbed: heat exhaustion, campaign exhaustion, global warming, tired from playing golf, Republicans drugged his arugula, racism, racism, hidden racism, the illuminati...

Also, as someone who does not get his "news" from biased a-holes in the libmedia, I'm willing to give the man the benefit of the doubt. Cain is still a success.

The only flaw in Cain is he doesn't seem to know the reach of this corrupt regime's media shills.





>> ^BicycleRepairMan:

What the fuck are you on about? Theres a huge difference in what Obama does in that video, He's struggling to make a point, sure, and he forgets a few words, which is actually pretty rare coming from him, his speeches are pretty flawless, even the ones without teleprompters (BTW, do you even remember that last president?) But basically, he fails to make the point clearly, and he ends up mangling the sentence and loose the point, fair enough
But Cain doesnt trip up words or forget a phrase: He has no clue what to say, or even what his opinion is supposed to be on this topic, this extremely relevant, important topic, and he doesnt know what he himself thinks about it. And apparantly, he cant make up his mind until he knows what Obama thinks, so that he could "think" the opposite, but then he doesnt know what Obama thinks either, so he's fucked.
>> ^quantumushroom:
Don't the last 3.5 years speak for themselves?
If not, there's always this.

Obama without Teleprompter
You were warned, America. Not by the libmedia, of course.
Bonus! Algore at Monticello
CAIN/HYDRANT '12

>> ^Kofi:
Brain process:
Do I agree with Obama about Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
What did he do in Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
What is Libya? Does not compute. Return up one level.
Who is Obama? Does not compute. Return up one level.
How can I disagree with him without knowing the above? Does not compute. Return up one level.
Adjust jacket. Does not compute. Return up one level.
Say "Niggerhead"

And que QM's response to this video:
"I'd still rather than this guy than Nobama HUSSEIN BinBama. A fire hydrant could do a better job ................ ......... blah blah blah"

They way the sifters carry on, would it make a difference? THEY'RE ALL THE SAME PARTY, MAN!

I don't like Obama policies. My personal contempt for him is aimed at his bizarre personal contempt for the USA.


>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

@quantumushroom
Would you like Obama if he changed parties?

So... The Democratic Party's secret weapon: dissociative drugs?

>> ^jmzero:

Yeah... the problem here isn't that he "has to think about it" or something. Thinking is fine. Not being able to call every detail to mind is fine. It's probably a good thing if someone actually tries to respond to a specific question rather than just brain-dumping talking points generally associated with an issue.
But his visible train of thought here calls to question his ability to do the job (which will require the ability to state himself clearly in high pressure situations), his knowledge, his preparation, and - generally - his commitment.
Surely he knows this specific question is coming; how, at this point, can he not be ready? If you had a list of likely questions, I'd say a question on Libya would be at least in the top 20. Questions on your specific health care plan would be top 5 (and he flubbed that one last week).
He doesn't seem serious about this, and that just doesn't work.


Yep.

He starts off with a hesitant: "President Obama supported the uprising..." And then he has to actually pause to ask "Correct?". He then says I need to clarify to make sure we are talking about the same thing.

What????

How can anyone know so little about a major and current military campaign expect to be taken seriously as a Presidential candidate? A team of well trained experts around you can not overcome that level of ignorance and apathy. If you know that little, how can you tell an actual expert from some backwater nutter in a suit who's urging you to bomb Brazil before it invades it's Liberian neighbors.

More importantly, how does he manage to survive drinking while thinking at the same time, it would seem a significant challenge.

The only flaw in Cain is he doesn't seem to know the reach of this corrupt regime's media shills.



@quantumushroom

Is Cain your favorite among the current Republican candidates? If not, who? (And possibly why, if you're up for it)?

For myself, I'm not a real fan of Cain (and I think he'd have problems in a full campaign) - but I'd definitely pick him over, say, Bachmann or Perry. If I were voting in the Republican race (which I will not be - I'm Canadian), I'd probably go for Romney. I don't agree with him on everything (I'm less of a social conservative) and he's a little bit prone to triangulation rather than true leadership, but the political waters are so thoroughly poisoned right now that I think perhaps a lukewarm, compromise President might be the best option (among either party). He's not perfect, but he's who I'd pick if you asked me right now.

Anyways, you represent a viewpoint that isn't terribly well represented on VS and I think there's lots of people that would be interesting in hearing where you stand (which you may have written elsewhere, but which I and possibly many others haven't seen because we may not be reading in those other places).

QM, I tend to disagree with many of your political comments, but I have to say that I think youare right about something. That is: Obama has not lived up to the (gigantic) expectations that people had for him. The "change" that was "hoped" for was not to the extent that was needed/expected.

That said, parties aside, what would you have wanted to see done differently over the last 4ish years? I don't mean who does what. I'm not asking for your favorite candidate or historical president. For a minute I'd like to pretend that that doesn't matter or don't exist, and presidents never have names. I'm just interested in what actions/decisions could have been taken/made that you might have approved of. What could have been done differently to land us in a better place for us both, and Americans in general?

And, again without giving any mention to political stripes, how would you make the world a better place?


@notarobot

Thank you for your question.

We Americans are notoriously short-sighted. Our politicians do just enough to win reelection and pass the buck (debt) to the next poor bastards. I don't see any way to reverse this, so whatever is done that works has to be constantly reinforced and relearned. But it isn't.

The simplest answer: reduce the size, authority, roles (and payroll) of government in our lives. Government is a necessary evil and loves creating "solutions'" to problems which are worse then the problems themselves, thus guaranteeing it always plays a huge role in "solving" every problem.

At this point in our history, whichever side is in power, things will worsen until a space alien invasion arrives or there's a civil war to restore some measure of balance between the states and the federal beast. I'm not happy about it, but we've lost our way and (hopefully limited) civil war may be the only solution left. You don't get good government unless politicians are scared shi'r'tless of the people.

Back in 2008 I would've exercised a moratorium on all federal laws for 2 years. This would have put the kibosh on the economic uncertainty that the Obama regime (sorry to name names again) has put on not only Americans but the world. There would be many more arrests (than zero) for the banking crisis, no bailouts and no scamulus.

I'm not sure how in every instance, but I would start dismantling government meddling in health care, not ending socialist care overnight but creating tax-free health savings accounts and demanding the consumer have real options. You don't pay your auto insurance company to put gas in your car and change the oil. Same principle.

I'd end federal control of education, it's a waste of time and money. Let the states figure it out. Private schools do a better job at half the cost. How are you going to educate children to be socially and historically aware and awake citizens mistrustful of government power when it's the very entity "teaching" them?

I'd make war, war again. Soldiers are supposed to kill people and break things until the enemy surrenders. Anything beyond that is someone else's job.

One of the reasons the economy is staying in the sh!tter is people waiting for Obama to be removed from office. Much as the Arab world sighs with relief (but can never admit it) when we (or Israel) take out a radical nutball, so the American left can't admit what a screw-up and disaster His Earness has been (pride). They will breathe a sigh of relief when he's gone as they unify in hatred of another moderate (read: pu$$y) Republican president who will then go right on growing government and approving annual budgets of all those unconstitutional programs like the guy before him. Jobs will slowwwly return.


A final answer no one wants to hear (and why I can't stand the left's insistence on an "equality of outcomes"): while one-sixth to one-third of people are capable and intelligent, if not "good" in all circumstances, another one-sixth to one-third are just plain hopeless, there's nothing anyone will ever be able to do to help them. I'm not talking about people with medical problems or even mental problems, just ordinary people who don't give a sh!t. I would minimize the damage they cause through severe legal penalties, make it exceptionally hard for them to game the system and/or simply pay them off to keep to themselves and stay out of the way.

This is what happens when you only watch Fox News for information. You try to recall facts and find you don't know any.

>> ^Drachen_Jager:

This is what happens when you only watch Fox News for information. You try to recall facts and find you don't know any.


hey, man, a factoid is at least half fact!

::blink blink::

So thaaaat's what @quantumushroom's fantasy world looks like.

meh..

@quantumushroom

Just curious, how do you feel about the general state of the Republican primaries? IMO, that's a big part of the problem. How on earth is Cain near the top? Romney I can at least understand, but Cain seems lost outside of his tax plan.

It doesn't matter how much people dislike Obama, there has to be a reasonable alternative for him to lose. The problem seems to be that no reasonable alternatives can make it through a Republican primary (by reasonable, I mean to the general population, not a particular ideology).

@jmzero

Thanks for the question.

It's still too soon to tell anything, but of those you mentioned:

Perry - still has a shot, but probably won't get it together in time. Tied with Romney for title of 'King of Mediocrity' but not as good as Cain.

Bachmann - no chance niche candidate

Romney - a stiff and foolish to boot (re: disaster nicknamed Romneycare). Uninspiring but with great hair. Will spend slightly less than Obama but at this point, who cares, we're underwater. Would be tepid improvement over Obama, if only because businesses could breathe a sign relief from endless communist assaults.

Cain - not an insider, doesn't need the money, knows there's a Constitution to be obeyed (even if in theory), has real world business experience. All the shit thrown at him by the left for 'lack of experience' was mysteriously absent when the voting "Present" senator Kenyawaiian was running. All the shit thrown at him by the left over a few meritless sexual harassment complaints mysteriously absent when Filth "suck this or lose your job" Clinton was running. Would be MASSIVE improvement over Obama, if only because businesses could breathe a sign relief from endless communist assaults, plus conservative minorities make the left apoplectic.

As an alternative to all of these, I would make a damned fine Emperor. Have a pleasant evening!


>> ^jmzero:

The only flaw in Cain is he doesn't seem to know the reach of this corrupt regime's media shills.

@quantumushroom
Is Cain your favorite among the current Republican candidates? If not, who? (And possibly why, if you're up for it)?
For myself, I'm not a real fan of Cain (and I think he'd have problems in a full campaign) - but I'd definitely pick him over, say, Bachmann or Perry. If I were voting in the Republican race (which I will not be - I'm Canadian), I'd probably go for Romney. I don't agree with him on everything (I'm less of a social conservative) and he's a little bit prone to triangulation rather than true leadership, but the political waters are so thoroughly poisoned right now that I think perhaps a lukewarm, compromise President might be the best option (among either party). He's not perfect, but he's who I'd pick if you asked me right now.
Anyways, you represent a viewpoint that isn't terribly well represented on VS and I think there's lots of people that would be interesting in hearing where you stand (which you may have written elsewhere, but which I and possibly many others haven't seen because we may not be reading in those other places).

You're 100% correct. This is Republidorks' race to win or lose. Apolgies to SK, but the Right seems to have forgotten the face of their fathers. If so, fk 'em, let the whole thing crash.


>> ^Psychologic:

@quantumushroom
Just curious, how do you feel about the general state of the Republican primaries? IMO, that's a big part of the problem. How on earth is Cain near the top? Romney I can at least understand, but Cain seems lost outside of his tax plan.
It doesn't matter how much people dislike Obama, there has to be a reasonable alternative for him to lose. The problem seems to be that no reasonable alternatives can make it through a Republican primary (by reasonable, I mean to the general population, not a particular ideology).

I wouldn't call it a phantasy so much as a small blueprint for national survival, because despite what the libmedia proclaims, America won't make it as a clone of a Euro-peon nation. Speaking of which, why doesn't the American Left just pack up and move to where health care and everything else is ALREADY free? There is no libertarian equivalent to run to.


>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

::blink blink::
So thaaaat's what @quantumushroom's fantasy world looks like.
meh..

Thanks for the question.


And thanks for the answer. We don't agree, sure, but it made for interesting reading and I think I have a better idea where you're coming from. Thanks.

>> ^quantumushroom:

There is no libertarian equivalent to run to.

Somalia. ;-)

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

It's like they have early stage alzheimers. Maybe they do.