Oh too cool.

A deeply cyncial part of me refuses to accept that's real simply because I don't believe something that aweseome is possible.

Scalextric need to get in contact with these guys in time for my birthday.

Well the smoke under the cars was cool but I've seen all this before...

*lies

And someone try to prove that it's not.

That's CG. FAKEY FAKE FAKE FAKEY FAKESTER

Go on, look for JIST, it doesn't exist. There's a Japan Advanced Institute of Science and Technology, but nowhere called this.

It's fake, and shitty that so many people have fallen for it.

Upvote so more people know it's FAKEY FAKEPANTS.

Adding video to channels (Lies) - requested by spoco2.

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@gwiz665

Witness the intersection of science and religion. Ordain something in the raiment of science and people will believe. More so, if the field is as esoteric as quantum physics.

So obviously CGI that I don't understand how anyone could take this seriously.

It looks terribly fake. The moment he placed the ship on the track I could tell something was up.

We HAVE seen real videos with quantum levitation, and it's really cool. Unfortunately not as cool as this.

These sort of fake videos should immediately be discarded.

I want to believe.

Couldn't you basically do this with quantum locking?

Shame its fake, but I can understand why people would be fooled. It looks fairly plausible to do for real, and tbh, some of the videos on quantum locking look just as unreal to me. Really the only thing that looked fake here was the smoke effect.

I am not sure why you couldn't do this for real. The LN might evaporate too quickly and the car would ice up... but I think those are engineering challenges.

Ordain something in the raiment of science and people will believe.


Do you perhaps mean "adorn" rather than "ordain"? Or do you mean that after you put the raiment of science on something you should confer upon it some sort of priesthood? If so, that's a fairly well-mixed metaphor.

And it makes sense people would believe this. The makers here are clearly imitating previous legitimate demonstrations showing reasonably similar behavior. People weren't stupid for believing those videos (which were real) and to the extent people believed in this I don't think they're stupid or even gullible. The video doesn't hold up to any kind of scrutiny, but it's reasonably well made.

And of course people would have been much less likely to believe this if the makers here had credited magic or religion with powering the cars (rather than sciencey stuff). Why? Because magic and religion don't, every day, bring us cool stuff like this. Science does, and there's no reason to believe it won't deliver a real version of something similar to this in the very near future.

I meant exactly what I wrote; I was evoking the image of a priest being ordained in his robes.

My point, continuing a previous conversation with gwiz, is that people put faith in science much as religious people put faith in religion. Not saying people are stupid for doing so; just that people are not educated enough to discern what is truly scientifically proven and what is a hoax.

There are no legitimate demonstrations of quantum levitation that highlighted some of the features present here (e.g, angled banks, objects with limited symmetry, which could make the magnetic flux non-uniform).

If it steps over the line, even a micron, it becomes pseudo-science. Yet you are willing to suspend your disbelief based on other past results you may not understand.

This is normal. People need to truly become as skeptical of trumpeted scientific results as they are of religion.

To mangle a saying: when the high priests take over, they will come dressed in lab coats.

>> ^jmzero:

Ordain something in the raiment of science and people will believe.

Do you perhaps mean "adorn" rather than "ordain"? Or do you mean that after you put the raiment of science on something you should confer upon it some sort of priesthood? If so, that's a fairly well-mixed metaphor.
And it makes sense people would believe this. The makers here are clearly imitating previous legitimate demonstrations showing reasonably similar behavior. People weren't stupid for believing those videos (which were real) and to the extent people believed in this I don't think they're stupid or even gullible. The video doesn't hold up to any kind of scrutiny, but it's reasonably well made.
And of course people would have been much less likely to believe this if the makers here had credited magic or religion with powering the cars (rather than sciencey stuff). Why? Because magic and religion don't, every day, bring us cool stuff like this. Science does, and there's no reason to believe it won't deliver a real version of something similar to this in the very near future.

Maybe, maybe not.

Isn't it strange that it seems plausible to us, yet neither of us have read up on this phenomenon in any journals or run any models to verify. For a counter intuitive subject like quantum physics, what may seem plausible to a layman may not be in reality.>> ^Jinx:

Couldn't you basically do this with quantum locking?
Shame its fake, but I can understand why people would be fooled. It looks fairly plausible to do for real, and tbh, some of the videos on quantum locking look just as unreal to me. Really the only thing that looked fake here was the smoke effect.

I'm geeking out like crazy right now

I'd say that spoco2 applied some fine skepticism to the whole thing. Extraordinary claims, such as this one, requires extraordinary evidence. If a youtube video is the only evidence, then it's not a very persuasive case.

Technobabble has been around since soothsayers and before, right now it's just all quantum because it's super mysterious to average folks.
>> ^longde:

@gwiz665
Witness the intersection of science and religion. Ordain something in the raiment of science and people will believe. More so, if the field is as esoteric as quantum physics.

I honestly know nothing about quantum levitation. I'm a complete scientific layman. I click on a cool looking video, vote it up not knowing any better, feeling that some kind of levitation like this might be possible. I read the comments, see more knowledgeable people tell me why it's bogus and my opinion is thus influenced. I'd say my temporary belief would be better described as ignorance than faith. If it were faith, I'd continue to believe in spite of the evidence presented.

Pretty sure that's possible, i don't care to speculate how in an engineering fashion, but sure, you can get them to follow a track and even suspend them upside down if you like, i don't how well they can stick to the track during fast turns, perhaps you'd need to tilt the surface gradually.

I assume it'd be easier to cool the track rather than the cars, otherwise you're gonna have to wire up the cars to deliver coolant which would destroy the point. The idea of nitrogen gas coming out of the tiny cars for the whole video is a bit of a suggestion it's not real. That's assuming he was putting nitrogen in the car in that weird pipe.

Shit, they do stuff similar to this with trains full of people in some places. Probably a bit of a tamer ride because of the much higher masses involved.

(I study physics, but maybe someone knows more than me about the current progress on all that)

Even though I was sceptical, I wouldn't accuse others of gullibility for believing this, given that it's not an unreasonable leap to go from this video to the current one.

I think most people who have a reasonable scientific background have a good feeling for what is potentially possible (this video for instance) and what is extremely unlikely (ultraluminal particles).

>> ^longde:

@gwiz665
Witness the intersection of science and religion. Ordain something in the raiment of science and people will believe. More so, if the field is as esoteric as quantum physics.

Just some viral ad for WipeOut 2048 for Playstation, that is all. Please go back to your regular businesses.

Nobody noticed what was on the screen of his controller...

http://www.3dconnexion.com/

Human interface devices for controlling virtual environments...

>> ^spoco2:

lies
And someone try to prove that it's not.
That's CG. FAKEY FAKE FAKE FAKEY FAKESTER
Go on, look for JIST, it doesn't exist. There's a Japan Advanced Institute of Science and Technology, but nowhere called this.
It's fake, and shitty that so many people have fallen for it.
Upvote so more people know it's FAKEY FAKEPANTS.


I agree.

Motherpussbucket... I got ALL excited for it! Wasn't till I blew it up and watched it fullscreen that I started to agree with those calling it fake...

Bah...

I meant exactly what I wrote; I was evoking the image of a priest being ordained in his robes.


Yeah, that sentence above doesn't parse right either. You can be ordained, and you can be in robes, but you don't really "ordain something in robes". You just don't. Maybe "shrouded in vestments"? Feel free to disagree with me on this, it obviously doesn't matter.

My point, continuing a previous conversation with gwiz, is that people put faith in science much as religious people put faith in religion.


I'd say they put way, way more faith in science than religion. And they're right to: science brings us all kinds of amazing things every day. When I get on a plane, I'm relying on all sorts of science and engineering that I don't fully understand. My three year old knows to put chocolate milk in the fridge or it will go bad. People have long histories of relying on science and things working out. They have long histories of seeing something amazing, having no idea how it works, but later using that science and technology in their own lives.

If people got anywhere near that level of positive feedback from their religions, religion wouldn't be slowly dying in the developed world.

There are no legitimate demonstrations of quantum levitation that highlighted some of the features present here...


Well, yes, there's more stuff happening here than in previous demonstrations - but that's what people are used to with science; a progression of more features.

If it steps over the line, even a micron, it becomes pseudo-science. Yet you are willing to suspend your disbelief based on other past results you may not understand.


Very few people are going to understand all of the science and technology they use. I don't know how my anti-lock brakes work, or fully understand even the (what I assume is simple) tech in an airbag (what's the gas it inflates with? I don't know). And I may one day rely on those things to save my life. Almost anyone getting medical treatment is relying on very, very shakey knowledge of how the medicine or procedure actually works, or why things are done a specific way.

And they're not fools to do so. With science and technology, you can build a web of trust based on demonstrable results in the past. I know that there's standards bodies that test airbags, and medical associations that understand and approve procedures; I don't have to confirm this kind of thing personally on a case-by-case basis, nor could any one person fully understand all the technology in their lives. Hawking has to hire some tech guy to fix his voice box.

But that doesn't mean that things aren't tested or that there's "blind faith" involved. There's faith backed by reason.

Back to this video in specific: people may have thought this video was real, but very few would have sent off a cheque to buy one without knowing a lot more, without seeing it reported on by someone they have some trust in. And look at how fast it was brought down. How many people still believed after reading all the comments? Similarly, when scientists emerge trumpeting some new unlikely discovery, they're treated by other scientists with very appropriate and high levels of skepticism until their results are independently validated.

Could you benefit from a medium-term, important scientific hoax? Yes, with some real effort. But history has a lot more examples of people seeing big success using science for their religious hoaxes (from Greek temples on down to scientology). Even if people have the "amazing science" in hand with which to try to trick, they recognize where people's real blindspots are and aim for those.

Well... Their diagram is a little funny. I think you could do it if the car or track was a superconductor, but I don't see the reason to make both superconducting.

Superconductors levitate by generating an equal and opposite magnetic field outside the superconductor to expel the magnetic flux inside (think Lenz's Law). The Meissner Effect is naively perfect diamagnetism.

I look at this and think it is totally doable. If you want I can send the video to guy I know that studies superconductors. I think most physicists would probably say that you could make this.

>> ^dannym3141:

Pretty sure that's possible, i don't care to speculate how in an engineering fashion, but sure, you can get them to follow a track and even suspend them upside down if you like, i don't how well they can stick to the track during fast turns, perhaps you'd need to tilt the surface gradually.
I assume it'd be easier to cool the track rather than the cars, otherwise you're gonna have to wire up the cars to deliver coolant which would destroy the point. The idea of nitrogen gas coming out of the tiny cars for the whole video is a bit of a suggestion it's not real. That's assuming he was putting nitrogen in the car in that weird pipe.
Shit, they do stuff similar to this with trains full of people in some places. Probably a bit of a tamer ride because of the much higher masses involved.
(I study physics, but maybe someone knows more than me about the current progress on all that)

Eat it!

http://videosift.com/video/Real-Quantum-Racetrack#comment-1374990

^Ahhh, this is why I love Videosift. Come for a fake video of levitating toy cars, stay for the discussion on theology and science.

Awesome

Wow... That is hysterical... I totally know Matt Sullivan. Totally awesome project.

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The real thing better top this...

Being real = tops this.>> ^MycroftHomlz:

The real thing better top this...