Chris Matthews Lays Into Tea Party Co-Founder & Bachmann

Sweet sweet reason. At last, at last!
siftbotsays...

Self promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Wednesday, January 26th, 2011 8:49am PST - promote requested by original submitter bareboards2.

EMPIREsays...

He may be... but Bachmann is a moron, and he wasn't talking politics.

Geez... I'm not american, I've never lived in or been to the United States, and I know slavery in the US only ended after the American Civil War. These people are complete absurd idiot stupid ignorants, and somehow that's starting to be seen as normal or acceptable in america (or that's how it comes across). Believe me when I say, the Republican Party, the Tea Party and Fox News are the laughing stock of american world wide.

spaceisbigsays...

Does Bill O'Reilly have a long lost brother? He obviously doesn't care what his guest has to say, and I feel the only reason he is even on the show is to give his anger based rant "credibility".

bareboards2says...

I know what you mean about this. I think the problem was that the guest wanted to talk about the first part of Bachmann's speech and Mathews wanted to talk about the last part of her speech. I couldn't understand why Mathews even showed the beginning, if he didn't want to talk about it. It interfered with his legitimate concern about the idiotic statements made by Bachmann.

I was particularly uncomfortable when the woman said -- don't interrupt me, you got to talk, now I get to talk. Except he never really got to talk.

For all that, I LOVED THIS VIDEO. Cohen got reamed a new one for naming The Big Lie with "hyperbolic" language. http://videosift.com/video/TDS-Word-Warcraft

This isn't hyperbolic, to me. It is accurate. Mathews did what Stewart advised. Call them liars/stupid. That isn't hate speech, that is accurate.


>> ^spaceisbig:

Does Bill O'Reilly have a long lost brother? He obviously doesn't care what his guest has to say, and I feel the only reason he is even on the show is to give his anger based rant "credibility".

MilkmanDansays...

I know that there are time constraints and you can't just let guests rail on their talking points without challenge, but at least for me personally it isn't particularly kosher or persuasive to let the guy say 3-5 words and then interrupt him, shout at him, and say that he is dodging the issue, etc.

Yes, he did dodge the question. Yes, when he was actually given a chance to string a sentence together it was meaningless talking point drivel. That is what is persuasive. Let him talk. Give him ample opportunities to drop doublethink, non-sequitors, and cognitive dissonance. And then, call him on it.

xxovercastxxsays...

Matthews drives me nuts when he does this; he'll ask a tough question, give his guest "enough rope" as it were, and then interrupt them before they can hang themselves with it.

If he wants them to look bad, he'd do much better to let them talk and show that they can't answer the question. This just makes him look like a bully.

bobknight33says...

From Wikipedia..

"The Three-Fifths compromise was a compromise between Southern and Northern states reached during the Philadelphia Convention of 1787 in which three-fifths of the population of slaves would be counted for enumeration purposes regarding both the distribution of taxes and the apportionment of the members of the United States House of Representatives. It was proposed by delegates James Wilson and Roger Sherman.

Delegates opposed to slavery generally wished to count only the free inhabitants of each state. Delegates supportive of slavery, on the other hand, generally wanted to count slaves in their actual numbers. Since slaves could not vote, slaveholders would thus have the benefit of increased representation in the House and the Electoral College. The final compromise of counting "all other persons" as only three-fifths of their actual numbers reduced the power of the slave states relative to the original southern proposals, but increased it over the northern position."

Obliviously it wasn't to end Slavery.
Even though Chris Mathews has a valid point our country needs move on. Slavery is dead. Blacks have the same rights as anyone else in this country.

The TEA Party was created in part of all those fed up with Bush and RHINO republican who weren't fiscally responsible.

Retroboysays...

Agreed with earlier comment that the host has to let the guests talk.

I don't care what the validity of the point was, I turnedd this off at 3:20.

Fuckin' rollerderby.

Ryjkyjsays...

The issue in this video is not whether slavery still exists or whether we should "get over it". The issue is a person trying to distort American history for political gain. And to those of us who find the history of America important, it should be a serious issue.

I agree that the teabagger barely got a chance to talk, but the fact is that at the beginning of the video he was asked a very specific question. Every interruption was seemingly caused by the fact that he refused to answer that one simple question. I've never watched this show and I probably never will but I understand the frustration caused by the feigned ignorance of bullies and politicians.

blankfistsays...

Matthews hit the nail on the head when he noted the revisionist rhetoric as being some kind of deification of the founding fathers. That's a disturbing trend that will only end with dangerous jingoism. A lot of the framers owned slaves, and at that period in time it was seen as being acceptable around the Western world.

Jefferson, one of my favorite founders, probably committed one of the most heinous acts of human injustices of all the founders. His personal spending trends were unsustainable, and he lived his life in terrible debt. He also died in terrible debt. His worst idea to get out of debt was to create a nailery in which he worked slave children from sun up to sun down. Not adults, children.

These were not gods. These were men with egregious flaws trying to do what they saw as right. If you stick to that in your rhetoric, you won't look like a worm like Sal Russo did in this video. Truth works even when it's deplorable and ugly.

bareboards2says...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/29/opinion/29collins.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha212

Gail Collins did an op ed on Bachmann, referencing this moment.

Excerpt:
History is superimportant to Bachmann, who claims that she left the Democratic Party when she was a college senior, after reading “Burr,” Gore Vidal’s caustic historical novel. “He was kind of mocking the founding fathers, and I just thought ‘what a snot,’ ” Bachmann told The Star Tribune. It was, she said, a transformational moment so critical to her worldview that she can still remember what she was wearing. (“A tan trench coat, blue pin-striped shirt, like a tailored shirt, and dress slacks.”)

It’s not everybody who switches political parties over a historical novel, but Bachmann’s vision of the past is the core to her ideology. The men who created the Constitution were perfect heroes, so infallible that they fully understood the right to bear arms would someday include semiautomatic pistols capable of firing 30 bullets in 10 seconds.

Last week, Bachmann was in Iowa, setting off alarm bells about her possible presidential ambitions and delivering a speech in which she claimed that the founding fathers had “worked tirelessly” to eradicate slavery. She then cited John Quincy Adams, who was not a founding father.

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