Race and Racism Playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMs_JcuNozJb-5TJ3uuvqPzQVjO_XarED It is very easy to discount the experiences of other people, especially when our experiences are very different and our relationships with them may already be strained by prejudice. And yes, people on all sides are casting out in anger because we want someone or something to blame for recent tragedies. But this is not a simple issue, it will never be simple. But there are very clear data showing that the criminal justice system values Black Americans differently than the average American. And that is a problem that must be confronted.
Thank you to Ashley Ford, Ahsante Bean, and Nathan Zed for looking over this script for me.
SOURCES
Black people are 2.5xmore likely to be killed by police. And unarmed black people 6x times more likely to be killed by police than unarmed white people:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/ (in the incessant debate, claims that if you look into the data you see a very different story invariably cherry pick data.)
Black people more likely to get plea deals with prison sentences:
http://www.crf-usa.org/brown-v-board-50th-anniversary/the-color-of-justice.html A more granular study shows that Black people and Hispanics are more likely to have officers use force on them even when they are complying with law enforcement:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.0df851a14b73 This study also found no difference in the use of lethal force, in the communities studied.
Black people face longer sentences for the same crimes in the same situations even when accounting for multiple violations, whether they had a public defender, their economic status, and whether they're on parole:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002 Police have difficult jobs and that some of the communities they are tasked with protecting are very dangerous. Many officers do not want to work in those communities, so it is difficult to find police officers to do that work. It is stressful work.
The fact that there is racial bias in the criminal justice system is not a condemnation of police. Police need to be obeyed and supported because laws are want make our society function. But there is racial bias and it should be admitted, confronted, and we should do our best to deal with it. Because our society has a belief that black lives matter less...which is why we stand and say Black Lives Matter.
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kingmobsays...Good rant...but that change has to come from the cops side.
entr0pyYou're right that cops need to change, but they don't need to do so voluntarily. I think the purpose of the movement is they should be made to change, and public discussion can affect policy makers who have the actual power to force that change.
Good rant...but that change has to come from the cops side.
bobknight33A police officer is 18 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a cop.
Over the last decade, black males made up 40 percent of all cop killers, even though they're six percent of the population.
from
Heather Mac Donald Book: The War on Cops.
modulousYour comment suggests that black people are intrinsically more likely to kill cops, by virtue of their race.
This is racist.
Congratulations on being a racist.
The statistics, presented as you presented them, are incomplete and misleading. Congratualations on propagating racist propaganda. A stellar job sir, neither the Third Reich nor ISIS could have done it without agents, unwitting or otherwise, like you.
Perhaps if you would heed to the message of the video: Listen. It would do you well?
Perhaps you might consider that instead of it being caused by something simple like race and sex, that instead we might consider a vicious circle of cops being disproportionally aggressive to black men, resulting in black men being more aggressive in response, leading to further aggressive actions by the police etc. When you look at the vicious circle and realize that if we're blaming a 'race' it was the white guys that actually started this vicious circle, regardless of which race is acting most poorly today.
Perhaps, if you consider that social problems are complex, just for a moment, you might start discussing with nuance rather than contextually limited statistics.
A police officer is 18 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a cop.
Over the last decade, black males made up 40 percent of all cop killers, even though they're six percent of the population.
from
Heather Mac Donald Book: The War on Cops.
Asmosays...You have a better chance of solving race inequality in the US than convincing BK33 of anything mate, but kudos for trying. ; )
Your comment suggests that black people are intrinsically more likely to kill cops, by virtue of their race.
This is racist.
Congratulations on being a racist.
The statistics, presented as you presented them, are incomplete and misleading. Congratualations on propagating racist propaganda. A stellar job sir, neither the Third Reich nor ISIS could have done it without agents, unwitting or otherwise, like you.
Perhaps if you would heed to the message of the video: Listen. It would do you well?
Perhaps you might consider that instead of it being caused by something simple like race and sex, that instead we might consider a vicious circle of cops being disproportionally aggressive to black men, resulting in black men being more aggressive in response, leading to further aggressive actions by the police etc. When you look at the vicious circle and realize that if we're blaming a 'race' it was the white guys that actually started this vicious circle, regardless of which race is acting most poorly today.
Perhaps, if you consider that social problems are complex, just for a moment, you might start discussing with nuance rather than contextually limited statistics.
bobknight33Statistics, facts and data have nothing to do with being racist.
Just facts was all I was stating.
Your comment suggests that black people are intrinsically more likely to kill cops, by virtue of their race.
This is racist.
Congratulations on being a racist.
The statistics, presented as you presented them, are incomplete and misleading. Congratualations on propagating racist propaganda. A stellar job sir, neither the Third Reich nor ISIS could have done it without agents, unwitting or otherwise, like you.
Perhaps if you would heed to the message of the video: Listen. It would do you well?
Perhaps you might consider that instead of it being caused by something simple like race and sex, that instead we might consider a vicious circle of cops being disproportionally aggressive to black men, resulting in black men being more aggressive in response, leading to further aggressive actions by the police etc. When you look at the vicious circle and realize that if we're blaming a 'race' it was the white guys that actually started this vicious circle, regardless of which race is acting most poorly today.
Perhaps, if you consider that social problems are complex, just for a moment, you might start discussing with nuance rather than contextually limited statistics.
bobknight33More that willing to discuss.
What is the root causes of race inequality of blacks in America?
Also:
Are you saying the following is not true?
A police officer is 18 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a cop.
Over the last decade, black males made up 40 percent of all cop killers, even though they're six percent of the population.
from
Heather Mac Donald Book: The War on Cops.
You have a better chance of solving race inequality in the US than convincing BK33 of anything mate, but kudos for trying. ; )
eric3579Meh. Was curious who she was and if her book was a neutral look at the topic or was it agenda driven.
http://reason.com/archives/2016/07/16/there-is-no-war-on-cops
Heather Mac Donald Book: The War on Cops.
modulousWhat statistics you present, and what information you choose to omit communicate information beyond the statistics themselves.
Statistics, facts and data have nothing to do with being racist.
Just facts was all I was stating.
Payback"And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall." - Pink Floyd
Give up. Trolls may be annoying, but since they mythological creatures and therefore don't exist, they can't be reasoned with.
What statistics you present, and what information you choose to omit communicate information beyond the statistics themselves.
bobknight33So you have nothing to offer. typical for a liberal.
What statistics you present, and what information you choose to omit communicate information beyond the statistics themselves.
vilAhhh Bob, you did a Trump there, didnt you?
Present a dubious irrelevant statement to sway the discussion away from the real problem.
Surely you do not think black people should be shot preventively to keep cops safe?
Asmosays...Willing to discuss? You??
X D
Bitch puh-lease...
More that willing to discuss.
What is the root causes of race inequality of blacks in America?
Also:
Are you saying the following is not true?
A police officer is 18 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a cop.
Over the last decade, black males made up 40 percent of all cop killers, even though they're six percent of the population.
from
Heather Mac Donald Book: The War on Cops.
bobknight33Tell me the real problem. Enlighten me.
Ahhh Bob, you did a Trump there, didnt you?
Present a dubious irrelevant statement to sway the discussion away from the real problem.
Surely you do not think black people should be shot preventively to keep cops safe?
modulousI have provisioned you with my initial offering, you have floundered in your response.
Largely because I am asking you to think like an individual rather than blindly post propaganda. It's difficult, but rewarding. Try it.
So you have nothing to offer. typical for a liberal.
vilMitigating racism, Bob.
Its not a war on cops, its the cops making their own job more difficult by being racists.
I think one war is on drugs. Also one on terrorism. Lots of fear and hate. Not enough serving and protecting.
coolhundsays...Oh god, its always a facepalm fest, when these guys go for political/ideological topics.
Briguy1960Excellent job!
Love how idiot racists can simply ignore all the blacks being executed and now claim it's a war on cops when the war has been ongoing against blacks for years.
The latest cop killer was a hero in the army.
Gosh whatever could have made him so upset?
Jinxsays...What have you offered? Stats but no argument?
I mean really. Are you just baiting, Bobtroll33, or do you really have a Klan robe in the back of your closet somewhere?
So you have nothing to offer. typical for a liberal.
bobknight33Prove this racism. Show some facts some overwhelming evidence of this vast racism you indicate. Enlighten me.
Mitigating racism, Bob.
Its not a war on cops, its the cops making their own job more difficult by being racists.
I think one war is on drugs. Also one on terrorism. Lots of fear and hate. Not enough serving and protecting.
bobknight33The stat holds it own argument. Prove it wrong.
The last publicly worn Klan robe worn was a liberal at a Trump rally. Was that you?
Democrats are the party of the Klan. I'm not part of that.
Prove those stats wrong.
Prove that systemic racism exist in the police force.
Prove you point.
What have you offered? Stats but no argument?
I mean really. Are you just baiting, Bobtroll33, or do you really have a Klan robe in the back of your closet somewhere?
vilYou did it again, Bob. Nice misdirection.
We dont need to prove systemic racism, just a systemic inability to deal with ordinary, individual human racism, which is abundant. Also a systemic inability to deal with incompetence exacerbated by racism.
There is no need to demand all policemen to suddenly not be racist, that would be idealistic. But you can ask them to be trained, professional, unbiased, focused, and not kill innocent people.
Let us assume your stat below is correct. What do you think it means, I wonder? Because if you think of the blacks in the fist half of the sentence and the blacks in the second half of the sentence as one homogenous group, you may be considered a racist by some people.
A police officer is 18 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a cop.
Jinxsays...No, humour me. Go on, spell it out for us.
The stat holds it own argument.
bobknight33I already did.
No, humour me. Go on, spell it out for us.
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