The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

TROOF!

People have a choice.

Will you beleive in yourself and what you see?

or will you believe what your told to believe when it is completely the opposite?

Will you double think your own senses for patriotism and faith that what your told must be the truth?

>> ^volumptuous:
TROOF!


Asshole.

It's more comforting to believe in an evil cabal of (presumably) old White men from a civilized society than insane jihadists.

Conspiracy is wrapped around romanticism. But Occams Razor prevails, and I'm the type to absorb massive amounts of historical data, than to believe in some giant and completely implausible master plan, like the inside-jobbers.

I'm so sick to death of this conversation. There's a very good reason why almost every liberal blog around scrubs their comments of the troof-movement set. There's other outlets on the tubes that feed on these CT's, whether it's 9/11, Elvis, Jeebus or Bigfoot.

^ OK, so what are all these other explosions? I'm not being argumentative, I'd like to hear your opinion.

"or will you believe what your told to believe when it is completely the opposite?"

Empirical, peer-reviewed data processed with the scientific method -- even when it totally contradicts what I believe I saw and what I feel.

What cracks me up is people can watch documentaries such as America's Drug War where the Government has been PROVEN to be lying to the people, yet folks still think it's impossible for them to continue to lie to us. Sorry, I still call shenanigans on this one.

Historical data also proves that this is the exact crap that Governments throughout history pull on the populous to cause fear and control them. IE: The Wiretapping, email monitoring, "Homeland Security", surveillance cameras everywhere, etc that occurred after 9/11.

Oh and this scientific method you speak of. That depends on which scientists you choose to believe.

>> ^rougy:
>> ^volumptuous:
TROOF!

Asshole.


Sense of humor fail.(possibly mine if the second reply is also in jest).

Some of the most suspicious behavior around 9/11 has nothing to do with the collapse of the towers, but rather lies with the government's behaviors before and after the attacks occurred. It's too easy to scream 'Troof' and to cast the issue aside . . . 9/11 was a disturbing indicator of the state of U.S governance.

I urge you to read Peter Dale Scott's book 'Road to 9/11.' Before you stick your foot in your mouth and call him a 'conspiracy theorist', yes he speaks at 9/11 truth movement events, yes he has co-edited a book with David Ray Griffin, but he has a very different analysis of the events of 9/11 and never steps into the realm of hysteria and accusatory assertion like others do. A contemporary of Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn, he is a researcher to be taken seriously.

Those of you who talk about peer review and the scientific method will be pleased to know that his book is the only one currently published by an American university press regarding 9/11. Also, the University of California press spent 1 year rigorously fact checking the book before publishing.

To pass off 9/11 as a simplistic terrorist event is disingenuous. You owe it to yourself to delve deeper than that.

/\ Ill echo what SpeveO said. The events of before and after the buildings fell, and even the events transpiring today.

So how do you find the truth? Use justice to follow up on the reports of cronyism, and secret pacts inside the politics. Do not attempt to reason with the buildings. Those are gone. For now, the only thing left is the people that handled the situation. That is where the truth lies, and maybe there isn't any thing at the end of the rainbow after all except failure to be adequately prepared.

Downvote because it's nearly 5 minutes of utterly useless anecdotal evidence and the apparent sound of an explosion could have been caused by a litany of factors other than controlled demolition. By itself it's blatant propaganda playing to people's inclination towards assuming the worst.

Comon' people, get your foot out of your asses.
It is not conspiracy to tell the truth.
The truth is that your government is lying to you.

Are you so blind as to give in to dis belief that they could do this and ignore all the facts. Actual facts! like:
-> black boxes being taken by government officials and being hidden away
-> film footage going missing like from the gas station across from the white house
-> actual thermite being discovered at the site
-> the whole clean-up mess being shipped over seas with anyone having a chance to looking at it
-> film footage of multiple demolition explosions
-> The film footage of the plane not being a passenger jet
-> first person reposts of multiple explosions before the planes hitting and the buildings coming down
-> The impossibly quick "pulling" of the third and fourth towers
-> The not plane shape hole in the White House
-> The wreckage at the White House not being from a passenger jet and suddenly disappearing
-> Conveniently finding all the passports of the Hi-jackers
-> finding several of the declared hijackers alive, unknowing and well after the fact.
-> leaked internal information that something was going happen that morning.
-> warnings to upper whitehouse officials to stay out of the building that morning.
-> reports of workers working for months inside the trade buildings every night in hidden seclusion.

I could go on but my fingers and brain will get sore, I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, in fact, ask my friends, I do it too often, even when not warranted, but come on, this is blatantly obvious - OPEN you eyes Americans!!!

Rant finished...

>> ^SpeveO:
Some of the most suspicious behavior around 9/11 has nothing to do with the collapse of the towers, but rather lies with the government's behaviors before and after the attacks occurred. It's too easy to scream 'Troof' and to cast the issue aside . . . 9/11 was a disturbing indicator of the state of U.S governance.
I urge you to read Peter Dale Scott's book 'Road to 9/11.' Before you stick your foot in your mouth and call him a 'conspiracy theorist', yes he speaks at 9/11 truth movement events, yes he has co-edited a book with David Ray Griffin, but he has a very different analysis of the events of 9/11 and never steps into the realm of hysteria and accusatory assertion like others do. A contemporary of Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn, he is a researcher to be taken seriously.
Those of you who talk about peer review and the scientific method will be pleased to know that his book is the only one currently published by an American university press regarding 9/11. Also, the University of California press spent 1 year rigorously fact checking the book before publishing.
To pass off 9/11 as a simplistic terrorist event is disingenuous. You owe it to yourself to delve deeper than that.


But talking about controlled demolition and planted explosives is NOT delving deeper, it's delving down a rabbit hole. It's garbage like this that distracts people from looking at the real problems.

>> ^quantumushroom:
It's more comforting to believe in an evil cabal of (presumably) old White men from a civilized society than insane jihadists.


Not for me.

film footage of multiple demolition explosions
Really? I haven't seen it.

The film footage of the plane not being a passenger jet
Really? I haven't seen it.

first person reposts of multiple explosions before the planes hitting and the buildings coming down
Really? I haven't seen it.

The not plane shape hole in the White House
Really? Is a plane supposed to leave a roadrunner like impression on something it crashes into?

The wreckage at the White House not being from a passenger jet and suddenly disappearing
Really? Any proof for this anywhere?

Conveniently finding all the passports of the Hi-jackers
Really? Passport records for airline passengers? Well golly and gee whiz,what will they come up with next.

finding several of the declared hijackers alive, unknowing and well after the fact.
WTF?

leaked internal information that something was going happen that morning.
Really? Between the Pentagon, Whitehouse and CIA there will be the same for every single day the institutions have existed!

reports of workers working for months inside the trade buildings every night in hidden seclusion.
Really? Somebody working alone at night in a 100 story office building, I'm shocked!!!!!

I could go on but my fingers and brain will get sore
Thank you for not, my brain was already getting quite sore.

>> ^bcglorf:
film footage of multiple demolition explosions
Really? I haven't seen it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjfoXbyffso

Now you have.

As for the rest of your comments, it's hard to see anything with your head buried in the sand.

>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^bcglorf:
film footage of multiple demolition explosions
Really? I haven't seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjfoXbyffso
Now you have.
As for the rest of your comments, it's hard to see anything with your head buried in the sand.


I've seen that video, as nearly everyone in the world probably has. I don't see the demolition explosions in it, I see the weight of 50 some stories of concrete blowing out the ones beneath them.

All the first hand accounts from people like Mr. Rodriguez, the firefighter testimony and the journalists seem to quantify the existence of explosives being set off.

Are you truth debunkers saying that these people don't know what they saw, felt and heard even though they were giving eyewitness accounts at ground zero? If we can't believe those who were able to escape being victims of this heinous act then we should just take a quasi-government controlled agency at it's word? I think not.

watch the video that puts the official flight data from the Pentagon plane into a flight simulator.

Just watch that over and over again.

Please give me any logical explanation of how/why a plane could enter DC airspace with 30 minutes of advanced notice. Am I to believe that there is no AA in the entire DC airspace? Am I to believe a large commercial plane with untrained pilot can fly directly over DC airspace and loop around doing a slow turn instead of just flying straight.

Then watch videos regarding London bombings. What are the odds that London was conducting the exact same "drills" involving buses and subways on the same day at the same time. US was conducting NORAD drills involving planes at the same day and same time.

Awesome quote that totally sums up my feelings:

"Watching this video is like being bukakked with stupid."


http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Curious. Particularly the testimony of the likes of William Rodriguez. But let's not forget about all the transformers around ground zero. Hundreds of them in fact. And no, I'm not implying that the destruction of the WTC building were caused by robots in disguise.

>> ^volumptuous:
Awesome quote that totally sums up my feelings:
"Watching this video is like being bukakked with stupid."

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons


LOL! And we've got to agree with Maddox or were're wrong cuz he says so.

>> ^volumptuous:
Awesome quote that totally sums up my feelings:
"Watching this video is like being bukakked with stupid."

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons


You know those nutty moon-landing-was-a-hoax nutjobs? And all their goofy claims supporting their beliefs? Things like the flag appeared to be waving and there were unseen light sources causing unexplained reflections and so on?

Well, as much as I despise their sloppy I'd-rather-not-think thinking, I generally always humor their nuttiness by addressing each of their claims individually. I literally type out exactly my response to each of their claims. It's an easy task, no biggie for me.

This has the minimal affect of establishing myself as someone who has at least heard and understood each and every claim, no matter how goofy I may think they are.

Unsurprisingly, my explanations do not satisfy their need for conspiracy, but at least I've contributed in a worthwhile manner.

Of course, not everyone here can say that.

We have a similar situation with 9/11. However, I'm kind of on the conspirator's side. Why? Because nothing about these building collapses makes any sense to me.

Did you know they discovered microscopic spheres of iron in distant apartment buildings near ground zero? Why is this significant? See my newest video submission for the answer.

http://www.videosift.com/video/Steven-Jones-Pipes-In-About-9-11

Or don't. I can always go back to explaining how cloth behaves in a vacuum.

And if you're too chicken-shit to address the actual items in this video, if it feels better to mock the troofers, then...alrighty. Whatever.

^ Constitutional Patriot pointed out that I should probably have said that I'm on the conspiracy theorist's side. And you can't edit old comments anymore so...whoopsie!

I swear, I'm not a conspirator.

>> ^Constitutional_Patriot:
All the first hand accounts from people like Mr. Rodriguez, the firefighter testimony and the journalists seem to quantify the existence of explosives being set off.
Are you truth debunkers saying that these people don't know what they saw, felt and heard even though they were giving eyewitness accounts at ground zero? If we can't believe those who were able to escape being victims of this heinous act then we should just take a quasi-government controlled agency at it's word? I think not.


Your argument only makes sense if witness accounts are reliable in telling the difference between concrete supports being crushed beneath 50 stories of skyscraper and explosives being set off at the exact same time. If you go watch other footage and witness accounts you won't hear a consistent story of all the witnesses talking about secondary explosives going off. The consistent story is panic and confusion, basing the entire argument on selected witness statements is weak in the extreme.

Ever been in a fender bender? Try and get the same story from the witnesses even for something that straightforward and relatively non-traumatic, you'll find it's the exception. For 9/11 any sane person should expect the witness accounts to vary infinitely more.

For 9/11 we have a huge stock of footage showing the collapse, and not a ONE shows any explosions on the floors beneath until after the top floors have started crashing down. The shear weight of those floors SHOULD cause the floors beneath them to blow out explosively.

I'm sorry Bcglorf, that is entirely not the case. Show me some controlled demolition footage where the floors collapsing above caused an explosion of material 30 floors below that wasn't the result of explosives, but was the result of expulsion of air. While we're at it, show me a building that has collapsed in on itself without demolition control.

The only time I've ever seen those little puffs of material on a collapsing building is during controlled demo.

>> ^Fade:
I'm sorry Bcglorf, that is entirely not the case. Show me some controlled demolition footage where the floors collapsing above caused an explosion of material 30 floors below that wasn't the result of explosives, but was the result of expulsion of air. While we're at it, show me a building that has collapsed in on itself without demolition control.
The only time I've ever seen those little puffs of material on a collapsing building is during controlled demo.


Well, professors of engineering from Northwestern University and MIT both dismiss the controlled demo theory out of hand in published and peer reviewed scientific journals. Sorry, I'll take their view over yours on what a controlled demo looks like.

As for the 'squibs' supposedly visible, they aren't nearly 30 floors down and they will not be caused by air, but by the smashing of the tower's concrete support beams. When several floors of skyscraper come crashing down on those beams they will shatter, explosively, and that should happen a few floors down too, not just where they are immediately in contact.

Those buildings were obviously demo'd.

The reason so many people in the science community have kept quiet about it is for fear of damaging their careers.

Anybody who is in a position of respect, be it in commerce or in education, will be targeted and black-balled if they dare to deny the official bullshit explanations of how those buildings fell.

>> ^bcglorf

Well, professors of engineering from Northwestern University and MIT both dismiss the controlled demo theory out of hand in published and peer reviewed scientific journals. Sorry, I'll take their view over yours on what a controlled demo looks like.
As for the 'squibs' supposedly visible, they aren't nearly 30 floors down and they will not be caused by air, but by the smashing of the tower's concrete support beams. When several floors of skyscraper come crashing down on those beams they will shatter, explosively, and that should happen a few floors down too, not just where they are immediately in contact.


*****

There's plenty of Professors of engineering who say the exact opposite. Not to mention actual controlled demolition experts. So how are we to come to a concensus?

There are "squibs" that are 30 floors down...if not more. Deny it if you want but I've seen the footage and it certainly is unambiguous.

Please explain what physical process causes support beam 20 to 30 floors below the point of collapse to explode and while you are at it please provide a scientifically verified source for your claim. Seriously, I am keen to see how you have reached that conclusion.

There's plenty of Professors of engineering who say the exact opposite.


Quote one, all I ask is one single professor of engineering to back you up. I am only familiar with profs of things like Theology backing this notion. Sorry but with the best engineering schools in the country(MIT) saying it looks natural, the burden of proof is in your court to show they are wrong about their own field of expertise.

I take it you've never heard of Judy Wood then?

or how about this one?

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/link.php?id=31639

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