Duuuuude! Barbarism!

*death *fear

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that is exceptionally cruel.

>> ^kir_mokum:

that is exceptionally cruel.


It would be if the squid was still alive. You'll notice that it is missing quite a bit of its body above the eyes.

Wow. That does seem brutal. Does Western culture have anything like this?

Those of the Human race which supports dishes like this - Suck!

>> ^TheGenk:

>> ^kir_mokum:
that is exceptionally cruel.

It would be if the squid was still alive. You'll notice that it is missing quite a bit of its body above the eyes.

considering a squid's brain is located very near it's eyes it looks like it would have been left intact. the body above the eyes does not contain the brain.

even though I really like octopus (as a food), this is just cruel. Serving an animal still alive is just cruel. period.
They should be killed in the fastest way possible. There is no pleasure in making any living thing suffer.

And octopi are supposed to be really smart (don't know about squid though).

>> ^kir_mokum:

>> ^TheGenk:
>> ^kir_mokum:
that is exceptionally cruel.

It would be if the squid was still alive. You'll notice that it is missing quite a bit of its body above the eyes.

considering a squid's brain is located very near it's eyes it looks like it would have been left intact. the body above the eyes does not contain the brain.


As far as I can find out the brain is in the mantle, along with (but not limited to) the stomach, liver, gills (gill heart) and heart. And the mantle has been cut off. I'd say the squid is dead.

That is fucking disgusting. You can argue all you like about whether or not it's still 'alive' or whether it's a reflex action. The problem is the barbaric disregard for another creature's life that is on display here.

"Look, poor hot liquid on it and it moves, HAW HAW HAW, how amusing, it's funny how the near dead creature still moves"

Fucking wrong.

There are a lot of westerners who hold up Japanese culture as being some pinnacle of human manners and decency and good... and then you look at hentai porn and the number of cruel and unusual ways they manage to eat/store/treat live animals and I have to question that a lot.

Yes we eat animals, as do a lot of other animals, it's all part of the food chain, but we should be above causing them distress and indignity merely for our amusement.

I upvote so more people can see the 'majesty of Japanese culture'.

(I am planning on having sushi for lunch... as an aside)

@spoco2: I agree. (Hentai seems a bit out of place in your rant, though)
The worst thing I've ever seen was a documentary about fur. Especially somewhere in China where they skinned minks alive and then just threw them on a pile and let them die in the sun. Watching that made me so angry, almost forgetting my humanity and value of human life. I actually wished someone would skin them alive just to show them how cruel it is.

@TheGenk My inclusion of hentai in there was more the broader issue of brutality and dehumanization of women as shown in Japanese porn. Their culture is supposed to be about honour and respect, and yet there is this obvious desire and need for viewing women being brutalized in these manners, as if they are just so repressed in everyday life it bursts out somewhere.

And unfortunately it is now in pretty much all western porn now too such that there really isn't any 'decent' or women-centric material out there these days.

It wasn't in there so much to say that they are worse than the western culture on that front, more just that they obviously aren't some holy pillars of righteousness that we should feel inferior to.

At all.

And then of course there's the whales. Don't even start going there.

And this is a wonderful example of why I love the Sift. @kir_mokum made me research (a bit) the anatomy of squid and then @spoco2 sparks a nice discussion. You don't get that anywhere else.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Look at hims dance! Wait, what? Hims dancing because they're pouring hot liquid on hims legs? Oh-nos...I can't likes this.

whoa. wow.

Hot liquid? I think that's soy sauce. The sodium in it causes nerves to fire primitively. The squid is probably dead. Not any different than those dancing frog leg videos where salt was poured on them.

Damn it Japan, why do you have to torture those little Cephalopods? You know they're not really after your women.

@TheGenk: not trying to be too condescending but i don't think you searched very hard.

From reading around it does seem like it's the salt in the soy sauce that is poured over it that makes the nerves fire.

Doesn't make it any less barbaric.

It's enjoying the death throws of another creature as a novelty portion of your dish... bravo.

I've commented about this previously on the sift; in the U.K. lab animal testing on squid and octopus require that you use anesthesia,... essentially because they are advanced enough animals that they solve complex problems and clearly respond to pain.

its much nicer when the real animal cruelty is hidden so we get our chicken mcnuggets without it resembling a once living thing... cruelty that's hidden is much much more civilized... then again, this debate only happens because we have the luxury of picking/choosing what we eat, and preparing it in a way so that it no longer resembles what it was alive... if you lived in a 3rd world country (or lived below the poverty line - as more and more people do) you'd think this whole debate was pretty stupid

even more so because a LARGE % of the people that whine/moan about animal cruelty, don't lift a finger to help fellow human beings...

and if the squid was chopped up into penne sized chunks, and the same liquid was poured on it, and it jumped and moved and squirmed... you "civilized" people wouldn't have the same reaction

thank god us civilized nations go through the trouble of disguising our food so as to not be cruel

and yes, the squid was already dead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puxhhkdp4p4&feature=related

may be unappetizing to your tastes... but less offensive right?

Nuke'em again.

>> ^packo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puxhhkdp4p4&feature=related
may be unappetizing to your tastes... but less offensive right?


Not really, I find that just as revolting.

I know we eat animals, and they die for that, but they should be killed as quickly and painlessly as possible.

And we shouldn't revel in their body's spasms after death, it's a bit sick really.

I believe it's dead. Individual tentacles still spasm on contact with soy sauce. See this live squid eating video...

http://videosift.com/video/Eating-live-squid

>> ^kir_mokum:

@TheGenk: not trying to be too condescending but i don't think you searched very hard.


Hehe, I searched the appropriate amount of time for it being 2am in the middle of the week.

Lemme just say that before you go on an anti-Japanese rant here keep in mind that what you find revolting or even simply unconscionable behavior can be regarded as something completely opposite in other countries.

It's fine to feel that there should be some universal standard for humane behavior regarding the killing of animals for consumption. But finding yourself unable to grasp these behaviors is simply the product of a massive culture gap neither myself nor you can probably even begin to understand.

The truths we hold dearest, whether we like to admit it or not, are the result of social conditioning. Let me assure you that to a Japanese man some of our more common behavioral patterns would be perceived as borderline barbarian.

Nevermind the squid. Let's look at the rest of the bowl. This is dinner? It appears to be mostly a dish of bath soap pellets.

All I could think of was OLDBOY...

Here's more on the "how".... Not cruel? ok...
.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VepUk2ggrZ0&feature=fvwrel

See? Another excellent example of why we need an Undead channel!

>> ^Yogi:

Nuke'em again.


Hmm I guess you'd also like to see Jews in concentration camps again for circumcising their children? Or American Indians to move because they stand in the way of progress? Hacking off of limbs for crimes?



Think before you type, you *something that would get me banned*

>> ^DerHasisttot:

>> ^Yogi:
Nuke'em again.

Hmm I guess you'd also like to see Jews in concentration camps again for circumcising their children? Or American Indians to move because they stand in the way of progress? Hacking off of limbs for crimes?

Think before you type, you something that would get me banned


Shut up. If you don't like inane obviously stupid statements said for overactive comic effect then you need to get off the internet.

It is already dead.. but yeah it is quite a freak show of a dish. BUT. Squid sashimi is AWESOME.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^DerHasisttot:
>> ^Yogi:
Nuke'em again.

Hmm I guess you'd also like to see Jews in concentration camps again for circumcising their children? Or American Indians to move because they stand in the way of progress? Hacking off of limbs for crimes?

Think before you type, you something that would get me banned

Shut up. If you don't like inane obviously stupid statements said for overactive comic effect then you need to get off the internet.


There's a button for that. If you don't know how to use a button you need to get off the internet.

@Yogi: the problem is, some people (especially in the states) really think that... the sarcasm box would've helped us know you weren't one of them.

>> ^DerHasisttot:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^DerHasisttot:
>> ^Yogi:
Nuke'em again.

Hmm I guess you'd also like to see Jews in concentration camps again for circumcising their children? Or American Indians to move because they stand in the way of progress? Hacking off of limbs for crimes?

Think before you type, you something that would get me banned

Shut up. If you don't like inane obviously stupid statements said for overactive comic effect then you need to get off the internet.

There's a button for that. If you don't know how to use a button you need to get off the internet.


I don't care...I don't care what you think I don't care what you do. Shut up and leave me alone.

def. still alive:
http://videosift.com/video/Eating-live-squid

>> ^NinjaInHeat:

Lemme just say that before you go on an anti-Japanese rant here keep in mind that what you find revolting or even simply unconscionable behavior can be regarded as something completely opposite in other countries.
It's fine to feel that there should be some universal standard for humane behavior regarding the killing of animals for consumption. But finding yourself unable to grasp these behaviors is simply the product of a massive culture gap neither myself nor you can probably even begin to understand.
The truths we hold dearest, whether we like to admit it or not, are the result of social conditioning. Let me assure you that to a Japanese man some of our more common behavioral patterns would be perceived as borderline barbarian.


No, it doesn't work like that. You can't say "Their culture thinks that this is fine, therefore it is"

Nope, their culture saying not killing animals quickly and humanely is ok is just not ok. Them killing whales that are endangered and may be completely wiped out because they want to eat them is just not ok.

Other cultures (as mentioned above) skinning animals alive and leaving the skinned animal to die in the sun IS NOT OK.

I don't give a shit what 'their culture' deems acceptable. That's only something you can use when it's a case of what considered 'proper' or 'rude' or acceptable manners in a given country, not when it comes to the ethical treatment of people and animals.

@spoco2 That is so far removed from the point I was making that I wonder if you even bothered reading past the first paragraph.

Morality isn't black and white. You may think that there's some line like the "ethical treatment of people and animals" that some how transcends cultural differences, but there simply isn't. Whether it's discrimination of women, the 'immoral' treatment of animals or simply just how one behaves on the subway, it's all subject to be perceived differently in different cultures.

Our definition what is 'right' is different than a Japanese person's and you can't ignore that, simply because you can't understand it. What if I told you that in Japanese culture the perception of concepts like 'death' or 'pain' are completely different than ours?

I'm not trying to convince you it's "ok". Why do you think it's so hard to bring change on issues like whale-hunting? Because the Japanese are inherently immoral and take pleasure in the hunt? All I was saying is that some of the things you do in your everyday life may be twice as offensive to a Japanese person as this video was to you, does that mean that western morality is fucked?

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So, what do you all think about the way lobster is typically cooked then? Throw em in a pot and boil em alive. Listen to their screams as they die a horrible death. Nope, that's not barbaric at all, right? Totally civilized...

Some misconceptions I've read in this thread:
1) The squid is most definitely not alive/feeling pain. As seen in this video, the head is removed, leaving only the legs to spasm. No brain, no pain.

2) Any killing is barbaric. Fish suffocate when caught. Chicken are hung from hooks and electrocuted. Death row inmates are injected full of poison. It's all killing and all barbaric, but I'm still gonna eat meat (not prisoners, animals).

3) The Japanese never claimed to be "holy pillars of righteousness", that's America's job.

4) Judging an entire culture on one youtube video is pretty shitty.

>> ^nock:

Hot liquid? I think that's soy sauce. The sodium in it causes nerves to fire primitively. The squid is probably dead. Not any different than those dancing frog leg videos where salt was poured on them.


I am really glad someone mentioned this.

*undead squid is undead

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>> ^FancyL:

Some misconceptions I've read in this thread:
1) The squid is most definitely not alive/feeling pain. As seen in this video


except the brain isn't in "the head". at least not the part that's removed.