This gets fairly racist fairly quickly. *promote for discussion!

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I've been watching the conversation (yelling) about this trial and it's verdict. I think there's a simple disconnect that nobody seems to understand.

Black People live in a different America than White People.

I know people might get mad about that, but you haven't actually seen it so you don't really understand. So this might've been a miscarriage of justice or it might not have been. But if you've constantly been getting crap for being in this country then it's just one more thing.

People don't seem to understand that it wasn't long ago that it was illegal to be black and on the streets. They would arrest you just for hanging around while being black. Or you didn't even go to college, because that just didn't happen. The time signatures are all screwed up. Some people think we've put down the cudgel so you have to stop whining about it. That history of repression doesn't matter to people who haven't experienced it, it matters to those who DID experience it.

So most people's opinions of this don't matter, and they need to come at this from a different perspective and try to understand rather than scold.

blankfist. Once again on the wrong side of reality.

The media does not cares if blacks kills blacks. They report what is and is not news worthy.

The other week the When the plane went down is San Fran. There were 72 killings / shootings in Chicago and no National Media. From a gun violence point of view and there is a lot of that going around, still no one cares.


The Zimmerman/ Martin issue was made a race issue from the National Race Baiters Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson. They went down to Sanford and goated the DA for the arrest of Zimmerman. The circus show had begun. Even during and after the trail, MSNBC is pulling the race card. No wonder the country is divided.

The only defining issue to have is the state of mind of Zimmerman when he pulled the trigger. There was no defining evidence of willful intent or self defense hence he was acquitted.

Never mind.

Hi. I'm volumptuous, and I can't separate the content of video posts from the people who post them.

so shocked that @bobknight33 is posting. videos with blacks in them are catnip for ole bob.

I'm not a betting man, but even I would bet that if Martin was a white kid instead of a black kid then none of this would have happened in the first place. In a perfect world the color of a someone's skin should not make a difference, but in this world it means you don't belong in this nice neighborhood and are probably a thief.

although quite racist, i enjoyed listening to this man. he seems well educated on his local government, and he knows how to put it eloquently. coulda dialed down the racism a little.

I am confused about this case. Which part of Zimmerman is white? Isn't he Latino? And if there are no witnesses (according to the court case), how do we know if he is guilty or innocent? Why don't we get upset about this instead or as well? http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/florida-mom-marissa-alexander-serve-20-years-firing-warning-shot-while-george-zimmerman It feels as though we are getting swept along here in some sort of hysteria rather than a measured appropriate response to these events.

Whiter than he is black, sadly that is what is important to some people.

Also Marissa left the situation completely to get a gun and then returned and fired the shots at her husband to get him to leave. Her case was not a model for "stand your ground" as she proved that there was not immediate threat if she was free to go. Also she very well could have hit one of her children (she was apparently a lucky ricochet away). Lastly she was offered three years in a plea bargain because the prosecutor knew she would get a minimum of 20 years if it went to court, but she was stupid and went to trail to collect her minimum of 20 years.

Video is too old to be for the verdict. And I remember watching it back when the uproar over Zimmerman being charged was at it's height...it's from last year...about 1-2 months after the shooting.

Just click the youtube button while the video is playing and you can see that this very embed was posted over a year ago. So how did you come up with the title..?

funny how the mixed race thing works for conservatives. When they're accused of being racist towards Obama, suddenly Obama is half-white.

But when defending George Zimmerman, he's not white, he's half-Hispanic.

Such gymnastics!

Race aside, i think this law is shocking.

Zimmerman knew he had a gun on him, you obviously don't carry one by accident. He threw himself into a situation which eventually allowed him to use that gun, and if you ask me that is utterly fucking reckless. If you're allowed to carry a gun, then you sure as shit better do everything in your power to avoid using it, up to and including extricating yourself from a situation before it even escalates. You see someone walking around that you think looks suspicious? Ok, phone the police; your job is done.

No life was in danger until he followed that kid. Even if he thought that the kid was out trying to steal, or sell drugs, or whatever, it matters not to me. Until someone's life is clearly in danger, the addition of a gun to the situation only makes the situation more dangerous. Having a weapon did one thing here - it gave someone the confidence and feeling of safety that allowed him to put himself into a situation which he otherwise wouldn't have put himself in, and that is dangerous to everyone.

This law will always favour the shooter because that person will be the only person left standing.

Exactly, as a lot of us were arguing about this last year after it happened. As long as you are the only one alive when it's over...you can pretty much do anything you like then whip out the gun as soon as it's not going your way. Just don't leave any eye witnesses.

If anyone had seen that whole series of events play out involving Zimmerman's side...I don't think a reasonable person could say he acted with any sort of common sense for a common citizen who saw no crime taking place.

Also it's pretty damn threatening IMO to have people follow you into dark alleys/cross overs, etc after you saw them driving by and/or parked on the street moments before. Hell I've seen women in broad daylight get spooked when I walk to my car at the end of the parking lot and just happen to be in the same row as them. They could gun me down....since I was clearly following them to grab them. Now add in darkness, unfamiliar setting, and some strange guy following you.

I would be highly interested in what that jury was told to include and exclude from their decision. Because I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to make my change my mind that Trayvon had every right to feel threatened and should have been protected first and foremost under the law that Zimmerman used to kill him.

Latino isn't a race, it's a demonym. Latinos can be of any race or combination of races. Cameron Diaz, Sammy Davis Jr, Fernanda Takai, Sonia Sotomayor... all Latinos.

We don't know if he's guilty or innocent; we only know the case for guilty could not be adequately made. He is presumed innocent on that basis.

Show me where the dark allies are and I'll give you a cookie!

http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/07/10/Trayvon-map_final_v03.jpg

Boo, misleading title. This was Published on Apr 19, 2012 as stated above.

My dad is conservative as they come, gun lover from way back, and quite quickly will trot out any and all racist comments.

I asked him what he thought.

He said Zimmerman was guilty as hell.

And that is what a true gun lover would say. Not some gun-as-penis-wanna-be-big-man. But someone who absolutely respects the power that comes with a gun, who respects how deadly they can be. You don't mess around with guns.

Right up until the last comma I took your comment a completely different way. I thought you meant that if ZImmerman had killed a White boy in self defense, then something totally different would have happened.
1)The media would never have gotten involved.
2) Zimmerman would have been arrested on the site, charged with murder and unless the kid was a tattooed, white trash, white supremacist, gang member, Zimmerman would be in jail.
But you would never have known about it as there would be no cause to stand in the pulpit, no social ire that the Media could try to raise. They would ignore the whole situation, exactly how they would have ignored it if Zimmerman had been Black.
Seems that unfortunately the guy in the video is correct when he says that, "The life of a black man only has value when it is taken by a white man".

To that point it seems that Chicago is perfectly happy to let the violence in their city continue unchecked and unanswered. It seems that what is happening in Chicago barely get's any national media play. Certainly plays into the theory that the media is liberally biased and is trying to protect Rahm Emmanuel and President Obama from any backlash. Especially since they all seemed to project that Rahm could eventually run for President back when he won the mayoral race.

The place I got the video claimed it was after the verdict. Sorry if the title is misleading.

Isn't it funny how so many people think it's ok to be the Punisher?
What a great american fantasy to have.

Orrrr, dial it up about a hundred notches and start talking about how fucking stupid white folks are to have let a few sociopath-narcissistic white folks create a situation close to completely fucked??

Race baiting/conflict is a tool of the Babylonian machine

Your right but in Zimmerman neighborhood there have been break in by young black men. Hence young black thiefs' set the precedent for Martin to be followed.


If it were young white kids doing the break ins then Zimmerman would have followed them.

Its been later found but not allowed in the trial ( rightly so) that Martin had burgles tools and pot items in his locker, Woman's Jewelery. Also the pictures of him smoking pot and the gun photo on his phone and apparently he took a Swing at a bus driver.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html



In the end Martin is a young man embarking on his criminal carer and decided to teach Zimmerman a lesson and lost.

The location where Trayvon was shot. The only illumination in the area from photos taken were the back porch lights of people's apartment doors. Most barely lit their small yard. And it had some light blocks, like walls, high hedges, etc. All I remember from the photos at the time is that it was pretty dark looking from the photos.

I know having some guy get out of his vehicle and follow me in an unfamiliar neighborhood would put me on high alert..and add in a dark area. With no one really able to see what was happening...it'd be in the back of my head that this guy is after me.

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You vs Myself and Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley )clearly have different definitions of what an "Alley" is. If you need help understanding look at the photos!

You're making it sound to be a dark nightmarish where terrible things await when in reality it is a gated community!

Also Please note I'm not trying to be a dick, but as this story gets older people keep adding hyperbole and it really needs to be dialed back.

Here's some images of this place.

http://www.407re.com/RetreatatTwinLakes

http://goo.gl/maps/mR2Nq

Sorry no cookie for you!

Night photo of scene, Yellow Tarp is covering Trayvon's body.

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Daytime photo of scene:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://transferstation.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/spot-of-shooting.jpg&imgrefurl=http://marinadedave.com/journal/
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So, not hedges blocking view on sides, but fences and building facades. Small trees to some degree blocking view. Generally and unlit walkway/footpath/alley overall.

As for definition of Alley: An alley or alleyway is a narrow lane found in urban areas, often for pedestrians only, which usually runs between or behind buildings

So I guess you can argue how narrow it has to be to be "narrow" and how "urban" this area is. The buildings aren't sky scrapers, but they rival the height of some of the buildings in the wiki pictures.

I'll take a few extra cookies for doing the looking up you could have done.

Those buildings are almost 50 feet apart; that is not narrow man not by ANY sense of the word.

You know why those photos look dark? Someone is using a flash!

The trees? You mean the trees with no leaves? Cmon dude!

Before I thought you were just using hyperbole but now I can see you are clinging to this idea so desperately because you just want to believe it. You are welcome to believe whatever you want. That's the beauty of living in a free society!

Unfortunately I'm still keeping my cookies

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/textarticle_640/2013/06/13/sanford_florida_police_dept..jpg

http://www.craigboyce.com/w/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Trayvon-Martin_George-Zimmerman_Crime-Scene-Photos_038.jpg

You can't even SEE the other buildings and that has to be at least 20 feet right there end to end.

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nar·row [nar-oh] Show IPA adjective, nar·row·er, nar·row·est, verb, noun
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1.
of little breadth or width; not broad or wide; not as wide as usual or expected: a narrow path.
2.
limited in extent or space; affording little room: narrow quarters.

Well I was using your definition, but I think alley is the correct description of what is in the photos I put up.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/alley

And just pulling a few out to highlight here:

2. A path between flower beds or trees in a garden or park. (Goes between trees).
1. a narrow lane or passage, esp one between or behind buildings
1. a passage, as behind a row of houses, permitting access from the street to backyards, garages, etc. (goes behind housing, allows access to backyards)

But you give me the correct word for that location if you would, so I can berate your choice of vocabulary and make insinuations as to your intent.

Haven't posted here in months or maybe a year because of this petty definition bickering that seems to show up each time I post, and here it is again.

MSNBC cab't sell sex so they sell race instead.

Racism is still a problem in America, we'll know racism is behind us when we elect a black president someday.

Well many things would be different. Maybe the white kid would not have been profiled. Maybe he would not have become violent just because he was profiled. Remember, it takes a bigger man to walk away, and neither were a big man here.

Though Zimmerman was very racist, many Hispanics are. But I do think that if it was a white guy who dressed what's the word, typical of others yet justifiable, then Zimmerman would have. I look at my neighbors and see nice black men and women, even though the one had a crack record. I look at the white people down a house, and trash, tattoos and all. Now when you cross the block, wouldn't send my kids back to that area ever.

This man is a very crass Bill Cosby. I support him due to the reality he shines a flashlight on. Sad some people would downvote this.

The best way to not get legally shot is don't try to kill people with your fists and by banging their head into the pavement.

Even if you don't kill them, causing permanent brain damage would still send you to jail for a long time. Mr. Martin would have been arrested and charged with assault if he'd lived.

If someone is legally following you because you're an unknown guest in their community and their community is under siege from constant home invasion robberies, it's much smarter to use words rather than try to kill them.

Zimmerman is just another coward hiding behind a gun. Whether or not he was technically guilty, he is still a coward and has to live with that.

Better to have to live with it than have to die from it.

So every member of every armed force is a coward?

ok then.

I didn't say that at all and I don't believe it at all. I do believe there are a lot of cowards hiding behind weapons partially due to the false sense of fear that's been built up in this country.

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