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is anyone really surprised anymore?

Not in the least. If people aren't convinced Fox News is bullshit by now, they never will be.

Well we maintain that if people aren't convinced that ALL news corps are bullshit by now, they may never

The propaganda and diversion of socio-cybernetic engineering is the same no matter what your flavor.

True that, they could all use some more straightforward motto refreshments. Let me make recommendations:

"We incite disagreement, we profit."
"Your source for tearing humanity apart one issue at a time."
"Ignoring everything that matters."
"We don't try to report because trying is hard."
"OMG DID U HEAR ABOUT BRANGELINA PRINCE POPE!?"

Honestly, it's not that all news is bullshit, it's that most (all?) news outlets commit the same fallacious and detrimental information practices as always will happen in any system when experience is posited as "truth".

In the business world we are almost always working to change our perspective on how data flows and how best to store and distribute info; setting our educational bias aside when need be. One particular failed practice that does NOT get enough high level analyzing due to the nature of the bias in which the problem itself creates: Information siloing.

In this case, we have the American people silo'd (and if we don't have them silo'd, we actively seek to silo these "undecided" minds) as either liberal D or conservative R. Once you're silo'd, you now have the ability to be fed limited information, based upon limited experience, as the Truth. This is called a hook. A hook is exactly what you think it means and is not bad of itself, because hooks exist in all systems for better or for worse. Otherwise birds of a feather would not flock together. (They flock together because of hooks in their code and the world aka science around them which helps facilitate that hook.)

Now that the hook is in, we have separate news organizations that cater to the data bias you signed up for. You're a human with a blank slate, so don't you dare argue that your opinion is anything but inconsistent, even after education; because you assume that the patterns of existence taught as theoretical and scientifically posited "truth" scale in a reality based upon butterfly flaps of causation. Just accept it: You are fallible and the defects are inherent at every step of our civilization. (Algorithms of usefulness to engineers are only useful if they lessen the load on the user, otherwise we'd all be typing 1s and 0s; so the logic of simplicity suggests our systems are fucked and holding to them is an anarchy unto itself, where ultimate complexity becomes entropy -- LESSEN THE COMPLEXITY. That should be a rule for all government and economy.)

Liberals claim they cater to all sides and conservatives complain that if it wasn't for Fox, there would be no objectivity in the news. This further complicates the matter, but is itself a red herring because it's an argument that essentially says "YOU MUST GET YOUR NEWS FROM A MAJOR NETWORK." If you actually believe that these media giants are the end all be all to gaining information from the "truest" perspective possible, you are a dummy and you need to WAKE UP.

If you never made a thought pattern along these lines, you also need to wake up but I'm not mad at you. Information that deviates from a human's factory defaults (early family and life experiences in the form of fear induced bias) is difficult to objectively analyze. I fault you not, but your call to awaken is noted and will be remembered at the end of all (if you believe in any sort of karmic ending, Christians included). If you don't believe this, then your inability to rule the boundaries of your mind in the present is damning enough. Fuck you. And fuck your offspring. Subjective fear consume thee as your desperate and once nurturing stride for survival is abstracted into selfish, power seeking nihilism.

Information siloing creates tribal knowledge (which is information held by a select group, and then touted as negative patterns like nationalism and corporate thuggery), and tribal knowledge creates boundaries based upon a skewed perception of what the truth is; which in turn, creates subjective and often intangible competition within a system that should be making strides to improve its process via iteration.

MUD SLING AWAY. Or join me in narrowing the argument to its lowest common denominators and then objectively analyzing the system, starting at a generic starting point and building up to a truer understanding.

It would only be surprising if all news networks independently choose to broadcast the exact same thing all the time. If there were an equivalent thing of Bush receiving some honour, no way MSNBC would show that live. Their audience would tune out, and they'd lose advertising revenue. Whatever Rachel is implying about Fox's motives, the truth of it is just economics.

This freaking false equivalency argument really gets old, There is no equivalence here. We have Fox, who have repeatedly demonstrated that they intend to present a view of the world that is false, never happened, delusional. And then we have a show (not a network, a single show), that some claim that "if" there were an equivalent case, they'd do the same.

That's kind of the point...we don't need any hypothetical issues for Fox's behavior, we have facts. But nobody can present any factual evidence that Maddow's show does the same.

True. Not fair to just single one out

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Anyone getting on the MSNBC bandwagon needs to read this: http://billmoyers.com/2013/03/25/the-day-that-tv-news-died/

Fuck MSNBC, GE, News Ltd , Comcast, Time-Warner.

Cut your cable folks.

Comcast sadly, is the only provider with decent speeds for the needs around my general area-All the "G" networks blow for Mbps. Comcast's internet only package is about 10 bucks less than a bundle with cable so.......For the first time in about 30 years, there's television programming in the home.

After about 3 months now, I'll turn the thing on when I am washing dishes and all I do pretty-much is parody the adverts, re-scripting them in my head like I'm working on a pitch.

After so long without any alternative programming than that of my own (save a bit of F.M. radio whilst driving), my bullshit detector (located near the conarium at the cerebral juncture) goes off at the slightest movement of the continental plates in New Zealand.

I see myself doing without the internet in the future as well as mobile devices beyond a basic cellphone-Probably give them all up for a variety of diversions like welding, tending animals, and building all manner of objects d'arte, to sell to folks to put in their homes next to their televisions, or connect to their many devices-

Now you know my 20-year-plan, see you at 68, update in ten....

FUCK!!....I'm gonna need the internet again

There certainly is a difference in the amount of bullshit on each network. They may all of some amount, but not the same amount. Fox is especially egregious.

Done - My cable has been cut for 5 years now!
But somehow my kids see more screen media now than they did before I cut it!

Old news... The only cable I've had since '96 is for internet. It's only been recently that I've even started watching network sitcoms...since Netflix and Hulu started streaming them.

I have to say it feels kind of odd to just now be picking up on some of the old-to-everyone-else cultural references.

Honestly, I find Chris Hedges kind of one sided as well. Usually his insights aren't very deep. He's all knee-jerk leftyism.

Maddow is one mad dude.

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Yeah maybe, but the fact remains that Phil Donahue was fired from MSNBC for taking a stance against the Iraq war - that's telling about the true ideology behind the network.

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