PA State Police Shooting Dashcam Video

The struggle between the motorist and the two state troopers seeking to arrest him lasted just one minute and six seconds.

The gun battle that erupted, only 41 seconds.

Story here:

http://www.mcall.com/news/police/mc-nws-pennsylvania-state-trooper-shooting-seth-kelly-testifies-20180627-story.html
Mordhaussays...

Authorities say the Nov. 7 clash started with a routine traffic stop that erupted in violence when Kelly and Seiple tried to arrest Clary on suspicion of driving under the influence of marijuana.

Should have just taken the arrest, now he is looking at attempted murder.

bobknight33jokingly says...

Where is the justice? I'm sick and tired Cops always shooting black men for no reason..

This is the reason young black men need to be armed -- to defend against the raciest cops.

Disgraceful, Cops attacking and shooting a black man all because he could not stand on 1 leg like they wanted. Hope these cops loose their jobs.

BSRsays...

First off you must acknowledge that there are great cops and bad cops. Racist cops fall into the bad cop category.

Arming anyone for the purpose of defending themselves against cops is nothing more than an emotional knee jerk reaction and highly unrealistic as a solution.

The starting point for this problem is better police training and stricter background checks and oversight.

Giving black men guns to defend themselves is a racist move in itself and a no win situation. The outcome will still be lives destroyed.

But I agree with your sentiment of black men being used as target practice for bad cops. We must still stand with the good cops.

bobknight33said:

Where is the justice? I'm sick and tired Cops always shooting black men for no reason..

This is the reason young black men need to be armed -- to defend against the raciest cops.

Disgraceful, Cops attacking and shooting a black man all because he could not stand on 1 leg like they wanted. Hope these cops loose their jobs.

newtboysays...

You must acknowledge that the great cops that stand with and protect the bad cops are also bad cops. Sadly, that's almost certainly > 98%. It's incredibly rare for a cop to testify against other cops, and the few that do are run out of the profession.
That needs to change before any progress can be made.

BSRsaid:

First off you must acknowledge that there are great cops and bad cops. Racist cops fall into the bad cop category.

Arming anyone for the purpose of defending themselves against cops is nothing more than an emotional knee jerk reaction and highly unrealistic as a solution.

The starting point for this problem is better police training and stricter background checks and oversight.

Giving black men guns to defend themselves is a racist move in itself and a no win situation. The outcome will still be lives destroyed.

But I agree with your sentiment of black men being used as target practice for bad cops. We must still stand with the good cops.

BSRsays...

Yes. That's where the "oversight" part comes in.

newtboysaid:

You must acknowledge that the great cops that stand with and protect the bad cops are also bad cops. Sadly, that's almost certainly > 98%. It's incredibly rare for a cop to testify against other cops, and the few that do are run out of the profession.
That needs to change before any progress can be made.

Mordhaussays...

There are numerous things that need to be overhauled with police, but in this video I feel the officers were justified in returning fire. The events that led up to that point are still primarily on the defendant.

He broke the law, operating a vehicle while under the influence, and then chose to escalate the situation by attacking the officers. This is not one of the situations where the person shouldn't have been treated this way.

BSRsays...

I have to agree somewhat. My first comment was about the command they were giving. I can't tell for sure if they are saying "Get on your back" or "Get off your back".

I seem to hear "Get on your back" which he already is. I believe what the police wanted was "Get on your stomach" but if the command was "Get off your back" I can see where confusion might come into play for the black man especially after having continuous stunning.

If the command was indeed "Get on your back" then that makes all the difference as he was already on his back and following commands.

BTW, the black man drove directly to a local hospital where the staff reported to police an ER patient with bullet wounds. They were not aware of the shooting but by law are required to report all gun injuries.

Mordhaussaid:

There are numerous things that need to be overhauled with police, but in this video I feel the officers were justified in returning fire. The events that led up to that point are still primarily on the defendant.

He broke the law, operating a vehicle while under the influence, and then chose to escalate the situation by attacking the officers. This is not one of the situations where the person shouldn't have been treated this way.

Mordhaussays...

The command was confusing, but I can see the officer's POV by that point. He had tried to grab one or both cop's actual firearms, I can see one attempt at :24. Then he tried to charge the cop with the taser out and punch him.

He got tased and missed, falling to the ground. They tased him for a bit, dragged him out of the road, and the other officer moved his backup gun that had fell out onto the ground out of reach. Then came the confusing comments. They were attempting to move him, so I think if he had stopped there it would have been over. But he kept fighting.

The crazy thing is, none of these actions seem to match those of someone high on weed. These are more like the stuff you see with PCP or crack. Multiple taser hits, extraordinary strength, shrugging off hits from two people, and being able to drive off with a bullet lodged in his head.

BSRsaid:

I have to agree somewhat. My first comment was about the command they were giving. I can't tell for sure if they are saying "Get on your back" or "Get off your back".

I seem to hear "Get on your back" which he already is. I believe what the police wanted was "Get on your stomach" but if the command was "Get off your back" I can see where confusion might come into play for the black man especially after having continuous stunning.

If the command was indeed "Get on your back" then that makes all the difference as he was already on his back and following commands.

BTW, the black man drove directly to a local hospital where the staff reported to police an ER patient with bullet wounds. They were not aware of the shooting but by law are required to report all gun injuries.

greatgooglymooglysays...

If they weren't so hell-bent on punching the guy, they might well have been able to keep control of him and eventually cuff him. 2 vs 1 and he still gets away? Those cops need some more training.

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