Never had a seventeen dollar burger but this makes me want to try one.

That's absurd. American "cheese"? What a waste.

It sort of makes sense, but i would ask for no cheese and just go across the street to about any American store and get at least the store bought cheddar or something by kerrygold like dubliner or anything ANYTHING that isnt a thinly congealed strip -- you cant even call it a slice of cheese..

I think a lot of people are down on American cheese based on its worst, cheapest variants. *Good* American cheese is, hands down, the best cheese for a cheeseburger. I mean, there's no debate there. It has a mild -- but not overwhelming -- cheesy flavour, and it has the perfect gooey consistency that melds with the beef in the best way possible.

http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/07/whats-really-in-american-cheese.html

I'd be totally down with that, except that I would ask to hold the onions on mine. There is only one acceptable form of onion to me and that is deep fried onion rings (further proof that anything can be made edible with deep frying).

How's their Boca burger?

I'll throw my vote in for American Cheese on burgers.

I make cheese at home and every once in a while one comes out with too soft and sticky a texture. The flavor usually isn't what I want either because the moisture content is too high during aging.

I started making pub-cheese with these failures and enjoyed the results. Then I threw some on a breakfast egg and sausage sandwich and it was better than cheddar but the consistency wasn't quite right once it got hot. So I experimented with other ingredients until I had something that melts well and is flavorful enough to stand up to breakfast sausage or bacon or jalapenos on a burger...whatever. It finally occurred to me the first time I made a grilled cheese sandwich with it that I've been making American cheese.

I love cheese, that's why I have a notebook full of my cheese making notes and a full-size stand-up freezer converted to a cheese cave. But damned if my homemade American cheese isn't the best thing to put on a burger.

People only think they love cheese, just as opioid addicts think they love opioids.

This is coming from an ex-cheese connoisseur

https://youtu.be/h3c_D0s391Q?t=81

I've had burgers that cost >$17 (with fries) and burgers worth >$17, but never one that cost $17 that was worth it. I'd give this one a shot, I like the technique, but where's the bacon?!...It must have crisp bacon or just forget it.

Second guessing how this guys makes a burger. You all just sound silly.

People only think they love their children but it's really just a trick of brain chemistry due to natural selection favoring those who care for their young. And still, I told my son to take the bus home from school because I wasn't finished cheddaring.

I have lots of hobbies and probably all of them are because my brain chemistry compels me in some way. Still, I'm experiencing new things and expanding my understanding of the world, instead of watching someone explain to me in great detail how everything I enjoy is meaningless. And I still even find time to tell my kids I love them. Even though, objectively, the love I feel is probably just a compulsion.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

Damn this looks awesome.

Sure, but an opioid addict would say the same thing, and remain close minded about the reality of the situation.

There is a difference between addiction and truly enjoying a hobby, and the video I linked explains it very well.

The feeling of shame is usually your subconscious reminding you that you are acting against your better judgement.
If you feel shame when you read a scientific fact, then take the time to explore that feeling.
If you aren't doing anything wrong then no amount of scientific facts would make you feel shame.

Once again (we've been on this ride together before) I do not feel the shame you try repeatedly to lay in my, and any other non vegan's lap.
That does not erase your constant attempts at food shaming.
This time you called us all cheese junkies....and you don't think we understand that you're trying to derisively shame us? Perhaps you need the self reflection.
You didn't offer scientific fact, only silly derision and a link to propaganda, as is your M.O.

Well if you don't feel shame, then I can't shame you. Simple.

Edit: I forgot you were the guy who says "If it's on the internet, it's not science".

I feel shame, just not for what I eat.
You can try to shame me, you'll just fail. You can annoy, however, with the constant vegan proselytizing, in the same way some religious zealots annoy but don't make atheists fear hell.
You succeeded with the insult, though, intentionally or not. I don't like the implication that we are all junkies, even cheese junkies.

You know full well I never said any such thing, and adding quotes as if you cut and pasted it is not honest. What I have said is your guru, an often discredited, exaggerating, data misrepresenting, cherry picking, hyper biased, internet "Dr" that makes his living selling pro-vegan lectures, books, and videos was not a good source for reliable science....you made up the rest. The internet was invented for science.

Meh, I would have had to watch more than 15 seconds of that video to really reply thoughtfully to your comment. Turns out, 15 seconds is all it took to realize the presenter was full of shit.

:-)

I feel no shame for eating cheese. I feel no shame for eating the eggs that my backyard chickens produce. I don't even feel shame when I occasionally have to wring one for getting sick or old...I just don't relish the necessity.
I didn't feel shame when I ate the freezer full of beef from the cow my kids had named. (Man-Eating-Cow, if you're interested)

I do have shame in my life. Any life lived fully and introspectively will include some moments of shame. But none of those moments have anything to do with consuming the food my body needs to survive. Or even the foods I don't need to survive...but really enjoy.

OK well here is the actual quote:
"NEVER get your science from the internet."
(https://videosift.com/video/Pig-Cookie#comment-1944942)


I'm not trying to shame you, I'm just providing information. I'm sorry that you're interpreting it with such hostility.

He's just presenting the science, he's wasn't involved in the research he's talking about.

But it's true, once you break the addiction cycle, cheese is no longer appetizing. It's very similar to quitting smoking in that sense.

I stand by that. Never get your science (solely) from the internet. As you've proven, it's not a good source.

When you conflate cheese eaters with opium junkies, you are trying to make cheese eaters feel bad for eating cheese. That is food shaming. It's sad that you are either unwilling or unable to admit that, it's unavoidable.

EDIT: Based on past experience with his claims, that's not presenting the science, it's completely misrepresenting it. It's what this guy does, he cherry picks someone else's data, totally misrepresents the study and it's conclusions, and makes huge leaps and extrapolations to say things like 'eating meat is now proven to be the same carcinogenic cancer risk as being a chain smoker'....but anyone who can understand the study he cites, limited to highly processed cured meats and mentioning the levels of possible carcinogens was not measured but are likely infinitesimal, can see it said no such thing, and didn't even come close to implying it. That type of misuse of data gets my goat....I think lying about science and data are crimes against humanity, and I wish they were actionable.

Bullshit, that's not true at all. My wife eats cheese about 3-4 times a year, and enjoys it those times. Same with beef. No addiction cycle exists with that long of a period that I'm aware of.
Food preference/taste is in no way the same as addiction, and any "doctor" telling you differently is a liar.
Habits and addictions are different concepts, that's why they are spelled and pronounced differently.

You have a wife????? You must a lot more reasonable in real life.

Just to be clear, you don't live in one of the states where bestiality is legal, do you?