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I really like this guy. He's got some George Carlin in his soul.

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Don't know if it's blocked or dead or just mean.

Plays for me in Canada, but I am having a VideoSift-wide problem right now where I can't play any YouTube videos.

Damn he's becoming WAY more diplomatic than I would ever believe a comedian could be. His comments on the Beer meeting at the Whitehouse were similarly astute and even handed. I'm starting to think he should write an actual book.

Louic CK is my favorite comedian...

My favorite bit is about showing how retarded political correctness is, and anyone should be able to say any words.

here he explains and shows in joke form nigger, faggot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuLrBLxbLxw


He's 100% dead on that anyone should be able to say any word and fuck the political correct movement who wants to redefine words just like '1984's newspeak'

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He's 100% dead on that anyone should be able to say any word and fuck the political correct movement who wants to redefine words just like '1984's newspeak'


He sure is faggot

Every "gay+manliness" discussion reminds me of this:

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Me too. Love that clip.>> ^hpqp:

Every "gay+manliness" discussion reminds me of this:
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Weird to see Louis apologising for this sort of thing. I see no positive angle on Morgan's words, unfortunately.

On a side note, Louis needs to invest a couple bucks in some pit stick.

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

Weird to see Louis apologising for this sort of thing. I see no positive angle on Morgan's words, unfortunately.


He's not apologising for it. How did he apologise? He tried to explain it. He is trying to think where Tracy was coming from in saying that. He also said that it should have been a starting point for discussion, which is SO SHOULD have been (I missed this whole thing, but it certainly sounds like it should have)... having a non-accusatory, non-combative discussion about what led to him to make that joke, why he would have a problem with his son talking like that/ being that sort of gay person would have been great.

He never apologised, he just said it could have been handled better.

I should have been clearer. He's not apologising, rather acting as an apologist. Sorry.
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>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
Weird to see Louis apologising for this sort of thing. I see no positive angle on Morgan's words, unfortunately.

He's not apologising for it. How did he apologise? He tried to explain it. He is trying to think where Tracy was coming from in saying that. He also said that it should have been a starting point for discussion, which is SO SHOULD have been (I missed this whole thing, but it certainly sounds like it should have)... having a non-accusatory, non-combative discussion about what led to him to make that joke, why he would have a problem with his son talking like that/ being that sort of gay person would have been great.
He never apologised, he just said it could have been handled better.

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
I should have been clearer. He's not apologising, rather acting as an apologist. Sorry.
>> ^spoco2:
>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
Weird to see Louis apologising for this sort of thing. I see no positive angle on Morgan's words, unfortunately.

He's not apologising for it. How did he apologise? He tried to explain it. He is trying to think where Tracy was coming from in saying that. He also said that it should have been a starting point for discussion, which is SO SHOULD have been (I missed this whole thing, but it certainly sounds like it should have)... having a non-accusatory, non-combative discussion about what led to him to make that joke, why he would have a problem with his son talking like that/ being that sort of gay person would have been great.
He never apologised, he just said it could have been handled better.



I agree. Because empathy, honesty, understanding and reason are approaches to conflict that need to be framed in more honest terms...as weakness.

Diplomacy is nothing more than surrendering to the opposition. The opposition that should be correctly labeled in dehumanizing terms, like "gay", "socialist", "terrorist".

Every conflict should be handled by busting down doors, guns blazing; shock and awe; give no ground to the enemy. Resolution only comes when the scapegoat is sacrificed and everyone walks away poliarized and with their pride in tact.

America! FUCK YEAH!!!

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

I should have been clearer. He's not apologising, rather acting as an apologist. Sorry.
>> ^spoco2:
>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
Weird to see Louis apologising for this sort of thing. I see no positive angle on Morgan's words, unfortunately.

He's not apologising for it. How did he apologise? He tried to explain it. He is trying to think where Tracy was coming from in saying that. He also said that it should have been a starting point for discussion, which is SO SHOULD have been (I missed this whole thing, but it certainly sounds like it should have)... having a non-accusatory, non-combative discussion about what led to him to make that joke, why he would have a problem with his son talking like that/ being that sort of gay person would have been great.
He never apologised, he just said it could have been handled better.



I'm gonna take a lesson from you and not talk. Because talking is the wrong the to do in every situation. Lets just react, no need for rational thought ever right?

Yeah fuck you.

@TheFreak @Yogi

Er, yeah, wow, I've been a bit of an idiot. It's surprising to find oneself called a reactionary, but that is indeed what my comment was, and you two are right to call me on it. But my initial reaction was just that - another homophobe, another joke about gay kids being murdered for their sexual identity, fuck that guy. But my initial reaction isn't the end of my thinking on the subject, so forgive me my knee-jerk reaction and allow me if you will to claw back a little bit of my reasonableness.

I agree with Louis that the gay community has missed the opportunity to ask Tracy Morgan why he feels the way he feels about gay men - such dialogue would be helpful in highlighting some of the attitudes people have to effeminately-voiced gay men. Since my speaking voice is not effeminate, many people don't guess that I'm gay on first meeting me, and in the period before they do realise (which is usually when I get drunk on pink cocktails and start talking about Sondheim), I've put up with a lot of blokey jokes about gays, and have witnessed the shift in men's attitudes when they realise that a gay man is in their midst. The gay jokes dry up immediately, which is kind of a shame because I enjoy offensive jokes of all kinds, and can usually counter jokes about "queers" with equal numbers of jokes about "breeders". I've noticed first-hand the difference in the way that people regard non-obvious gay men like me, and the way they treat the more effeminate and flamboyant members of (er) "my tribe". I've been explicitly told that I'm not included when they criticise gays, because I'm "straight enough". Sigh!

What I've realised is that, in a way, I'm more supportive of Tracy Morgan's joke than I am of Louis's rationalisation of it. Tracy Morgan can make such a joke if he chooses, and I can think him a sad man with backwards views on masculinity if I choose. Where I disagree with Louis is that he sees Tracy Morgan's joke as a kind of "progress" towards acceptance, but I don't see how making jokes about killing his gay son doesn't sound like he's "trying to figure out" gay male masculinity or that he's somehow less homophobic for qualifying precisely what it is that makes him want to stab some gays as opposed to stabbing all of them.

Hey, @FlowersInHisHair, none of this mature, rational discussion! This is the internet, you're supposed to give knee jerk reactions.

I've never understood the effeminate voice - it seems unnatural and forced, which in turn makes it distracting to listen to. It's like wigger street slang, whatever the person is saying, 50% of my brain is just thinking "why are you putting on that stupid voice?". This is probably unfair. It's certainly not a comment on sexuality, at the risk of making a "some of my best friends" defence, look at my previous discussions with one of the Sift's more, um, Santorumesque posters. I think the effeminate voice, being (to my ears) unnatural makes it seem like the person is trying to be something they're not - which is a major symptom of homophobia. That's a pretty screwed up idea now that I think about it. It's also predicated on the presumption that it is unnatural or forced.

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This kind of thoughtful reply is all too rare on the Internet - and I'm proud that it's here on VideoSift.>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

@TheFreak @Yogi
Er, yeah, wow, I've been a bit of an idiot. It's surprising to find oneself called a reactionary, but that is indeed what my comment was, and you two are right to call me on it. But my initial reaction was just that - another homophobe, another joke about gay kids being murdered for their sexual identity, fuck that guy. But my initial reaction isn't the end of my thinking on the subject, so forgive me my knee-jerk reaction and allow me if you will to claw back a little bit of my reasonableness.
I agree with Louis that the gay community has missed the opportunity to ask Tracy Morgan why he feels the way he feels about gay men - such dialogue would be helpful in highlighting some of the attitudes people have to effeminately-voiced gay men. Since my speaking voice is not effeminate, many people don't guess that I'm gay on first meeting me, and in the period before they do realise (which is usually when I get drunk on pink cocktails and start talking about Sondheim), I've put up with a lot of blokey jokes about gays, and have witnessed the shift in men's attitudes when they realise that a gay man is in their midst. The gay jokes dry up immediately, which is kind of a shame because I enjoy offensive jokes of all kinds, and can usually counter jokes about "queers" with equal numbers of jokes about "breeders". I've noticed first-hand the difference in the way that people regard non-obvious gay men like me, and the way they treat the more effeminate and flamboyant members of (er) "my tribe". I've been explicitly told that I'm not included when they criticise gays, because I'm "straight enough". Sigh!
What I've realised is that, in a way, I'm more supportive of Tracy Morgan's joke than I am of Louis's rationalisation of it. Tracy Morgan can make such a joke if he chooses, and I can think him a sad man with backwards views on masculinity if I choose. Where I disagree with Louis is that he sees Tracy Morgan's joke as a kind of "progress" towards acceptance, but I don't see how making jokes about killing his gay son doesn't sound like he's "trying to figure out" gay male masculinity or that he's somehow less homophobic for qualifying precisely what it is that makes him want to stab some gays as opposed to stabbing all of them.

GOD-FUCKING-DAMMIT!!! HOW in the living FUCK am I supposed to Argue with this sensibleness! You complete and UTTER reasonable asshole!

Fuck off and don't come back till you're calling me a fucking baby raper!!!

Awesome thread.

Full Nightline interview

@FlowersInHisHair

Hmm...my natural reaction to your respectful reply runs counter to my original theory on conflict resolution.

I...might have to think about this....crap. I must be in the wrong place, I thought this was the internet.

Smart guy. Looking at the matter in multiple angles. *promote

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Does Louis have anything to say about his own misogynistic statements, or is he only offended by homophobes?