Lest We Forget: The Big Lie Behind the Rise of Trump

Bill Moyers and four historians dissect the big lie Trump rode to power: the Birther lie.
bobknight33says...

Utter Bull shit.-- The Liberal Left still don't get it.

Trump won because it is promising jobs and to make America great again.

No one gave a shit that Obama was 1/2 black.
The birth certificate -- fake as a $2bill.

But the left are using these as the reasons for the massive Democrat party loss.

Keep it up -- live in bubble and keep loosing.


I wanted Cruz
But it was between Trump and Clinton. A millionaire crook or a billionaire businessman. And the left blames it on racism and the Russians. Delusional.

After the huge loss the Clinton Foundation is closing it doors. Guess it had no more favors to sell.

MrFisksays...
bobknight33said:

Utter Bull shit.-- The Liberal Left still don't get it.

Trump won because it is promising jobs and to make America great again.

No one gave a shit that Obama was 1/2 black.
The birth certificate -- fake as a $2bill.

But the left are using these as the reasons for the massive Democrat party loss.

Keep it up -- live in bubble and keep loosing.


I wanted Cruz
But it was between Trump and Clinton. A millionaire crook or a billionaire businessman. And the left blames it on racism and the Russians. Delusional.

After the huge loss the Clinton Foundation is closing it doors. Guess it had no more favors to sell.

Noodlesnopesays...

If you mean "fake as a $2 bill" in the sense that it, too, is completely real and valid, then sure.

Be careful, your stupid is showing.

bobknight33said:

Utter Bull shit.-- The Liberal Left still don't get it.

Trump won because it is promising jobs and to make America great again.

No one gave a shit that Obama was 1/2 black.
The birth certificate -- fake as a $2bill.

But the left are using these as the reasons for the massive Democrat party loss.

Keep it up -- live in bubble and keep loosing.


I wanted Cruz
But it was between Trump and Clinton. A millionaire crook or a billionaire businessman. And the left blames it on racism and the Russians. Delusional.

After the huge loss the Clinton Foundation is closing it doors. Guess it had no more favors to sell.

Drachen_Jagersays...

Whoo, a lot to unpack here.

Trump is an "it" now? Are you admitting he's some sort of androgynous alien, or a robot?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_two-dollar_bill
I presume you meant that literally about the birth certificate, right?

What should we "loose" the dogs of war?

I think the very language you choose, the weakness of your arguments, and the stupidity of picking a metaphor which absolutely contradicts the argument you appear to be attempting show us all we need to know. Bob, I'm sorry to say this, but you're not very smart. I know you think you are, frankly Trump thinks he is as well, which is perhaps why you like him.

Stupidity doesn't inherently make you wrong, but in this case you simply don't have any good arguments. Yes, Trump won, but not for any of the reasons you propose. He's not a good businessman, to the point where NO major American bank will even consider giving him a loan (and this has been the case for over a decade). He is, however, a fairly effective con-man and as his first week in office shows, there's no thought, no rationale. He just promised the moon and now it's time to deliver he has no idea how he'll follow through.

America wasn't destroyed by Obama (even though you promised us it would be), but it very well might be by Trump. All one has to do is go through your old posts during the Obama era to see you're basically wrong about everything all the time. The only possible reasons you keep it up are a) your memory is simply too short to encompass things you said years ago, or b) you're just a troll and don't really care that you're wrong.

bobknight33said:

Utter Bull shit.-- The Liberal Left still don't get it.

Trump won because it is promising jobs and to make America great again.

No one gave a shit that Obama was 1/2 black.
The birth certificate -- fake as a $2bill.

But the left are using these as the reasons for the massive Democrat party loss.

Keep it up -- live in bubble and keep loosing.


I wanted Cruz
But it was between Trump and Clinton. A millionaire crook or a billionaire businessman. And the left blames it on racism and the Russians. Delusional.

After the huge loss the Clinton Foundation is closing it doors. Guess it had no more favors to sell.

newtboysays...

Why must it be an either/or scenario....I say C) all of the above.

Drachen_Jagersaid:

The only possible reasons you keep it up are a) your memory is simply too short to encompass things you said years ago, or b) you're just a troll and don't really care that you're wrong.

Fairbssays...

Bob, I double dog dare you to read this and let me know what you think...

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/21/can-globe-trotting-clinton-foundation-thrive-in-populist-trump-age.html

bobknight33said:

Utter Bull shit.-- The Liberal Left still don't get it.

Trump won because it is promising jobs and to make America great again.

No one gave a shit that Obama was 1/2 black.
The birth certificate -- fake as a $2bill.

But the left are using these as the reasons for the massive Democrat party loss.

Keep it up -- live in bubble and keep loosing.


I wanted Cruz
But it was between Trump and Clinton. A millionaire crook or a billionaire businessman. And the left blames it on racism and the Russians. Delusional.

After the huge loss the Clinton Foundation is closing it doors. Guess it had no more favors to sell.

newtboysays...

That's a pretty stark contrast to Trump's private" charitable" foundation that he's been legally barred from shutting down (like he tried to do) until the multiple investigations into his personal abuses and legal violations are completed.
Too bad they can't rate it, because it's private so he doesn't have to release proof of philanthropy, but the few donations it has made were to 1 star rated charities (oh, and apparently to Trump personally)....while the Clinton foundation itself is >4 star.

Great comparison-
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/sep/23/politifact-sheet-comparing-clinton-and-trump-found/

Fairbssaid:

Bob, I double dog dare you to read this and let me know what you think...

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/21/can-globe-trotting-clinton-foundation-thrive-in-populist-trump-age.html

articiansays...

I wish your comment weren't downvoted on this, because I feel you're right. Trumps message was hopeful to a lot of disenfranchised Americans in the same way Obama's was to a different portion of them. Its just a shitty situation that it comes down to that, and redrawing lines where they're been lain for centuries.
Ultimately, we're all being manipulated by some shitty powers, but I wanted to voice support for your perspective in this.

bobknight33said:

Utter Bull shit.-- The Liberal Left still don't get it.

Trump won because it is promising jobs and to make America great again.

No one gave a shit that Obama was 1/2 black.
The birth certificate -- fake as a $2bill.

But the left are using these as the reasons for the massive Democrat party loss.

Keep it up -- live in bubble and keep loosing.


I wanted Cruz
But it was between Trump and Clinton. A millionaire crook or a billionaire businessman. And the left blames it on racism and the Russians. Delusional.

After the huge loss the Clinton Foundation is closing it doors. Guess it had no more favors to sell.

newtboysays...

If he could express that thought without couching it in insults on top of lies, like the Clinton foundation closing (it's not) he wouldn't be downvoted so much.

articiansaid:

I wish your comment weren't downvoted on this, because I feel you're right. Trumps message was hopeful to a lot of disenfranchised Americans in the same way Obama's was to a different portion of them. Its just a shitty situation that it comes down to that, and redrawing lines where they're been lain for centuries.
Ultimately, we're all being manipulated by some shitty powers, but I wanted to voice support for your perspective in this.

greatgooglymooglysays...

Trump was in a position to win because the media gave him airtime over his ridiculous birth certificate claims. If he had been relegated to merely a couple minutes a week on a reality tv show, I don't think he would have had the appeal to launch a campaign.

shagen454says...

I was about the reply to Bobknight - to say basically the same thing.

Unfortunately, a lot of us who are "liberal" can't understand this. There is truth to it, I'm not going to say that it isn't batshit crazy but for instance, I worked 5 days at a design temp job (before I quit and got the job of a lifetime a week later) and the owner was an older lady. She listened to FOX news ALL DAY long, totally in the box and in the zone for the alt-right mentality.

She, as a small business owner, who probably has other "conservative"(extremist) friends on the Chamber of Commerce (of which she was a part of) really believed that Trump as a "BUSINESS" person would be a great president in creating a better economy for"business"(tax loopholes everywhere, YES!!! No living wage or minimum wage increases, YESSS!!! fucking dicks the lot of em). I had to listen to this shit for those 5 days, but yeah - people really believe(d) it. There are business people out there, who aren't Bobknights eating doritoes in that wheel-less, rusted, mobile home in the trailer park waiting for the next tornado to plop down on tornado alley and give them the ultimate ride to the otherside, that believed in having a business person in the white house a good thing (fucking capitalists and terribly ignorant poor people IMO lol).

Media is in a real shithole these days. I mean, I still listen to Democracy Now! & NPR... but everything is slanted one-way or another...

articiansaid:

I wish your comment weren't downvoted on this, because I feel you're right.

poolcleanersays...

Of course he's right lol -- just like it's right saying that people who had more money than Charles Manson made him jealous enough to direct his cult to murder Sharon and friends, even though he was mad at the prior rich fucks at the same residence.

Great,It's so brilliant how Bob Knight describes why idiots do what a psychopath tells them about their own insecurities. Jesus. When was the media NOT a shithole?

shagen454said:

I was about the reply to Bobknight - to say basically the same thing.

Unfortunately, a lot of us who are "liberal" can't understand this. There is truth to it, I'm not going to say that it isn't batshit crazy but for instance, I worked 5 days at a design temp job (before I quit and got the job of a lifetime a week later) and the owner was an older lady. She listened to FOX news ALL DAY long, totally in the box and in the zone for the alt-right mentality.

She, as a small business owner, who probably has other "conservative"(extremist) friends on the Chamber of Commerce (of which she was a part of) really believed that Trump as a "BUSINESS" person would be a great president in creating a better economy for"business"(tax loopholes everywhere, YES!!! No living wage or minimum wage increases, YESSS!!! fucking dicks the lot of em). I had to listen to this shit for those 5 days, but yeah - people really believe(d) it. There are business people out there, who aren't Bobknights eating doritoes in that wheel-less, rusted, mobile home in the trailer park waiting for the next tornado to plop down on tornado alley and give them the ultimate ride to the otherside, that believed in having a business person in the white house a good thing (fucking capitalists lol).

Media is in a real shithole these days. I mean, I still listen to Democracy Now! & NPR... but everything is slanted one-way or another...

shagen454says...

I understand what you are saying I would say though that in the past, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away- media in this country was a bit more "journalistic". Able to take multiple views and be the devil's advocate, if need be. Now everything is streamlined and slimmed down with an agenda set by their corporate sponsors and shareholders. It wasn't ALWAYS like this in the very specific way that it is now.

I think I abstracted my point, sure - Trump would be great for capitalism and business and I do understand why many asshats think "in the box" for that sort of utopian status quo bullshit. Unfortunately, we're no longer in the 50's & 60's... we have MANY issues that demand progressive answers.

Welp, my friends - soon we might just have to join a Snorkel Colony. Thanks Trump, alt-right-wingers & capitalism! I always wanted to go back to my roots in the ocean!

poolcleanersaid:

Of course he's right lol -- just like it's right saying that people who had more money than Charles Manson made him jealous enough to direct his cult to murder Sharon and friends, even though he was mad at the prior rich fucks at the same residence.

Great,It's so brilliant how Bob Knight describes why idiots do what a psychopath tells them about their own insecurities. Jesus. When was the media NOT a shithole?

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