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Excessive violence with kids, YAY!!!...?

It's no wonder the French have the reputation they do. They learn of the insanity of war from a very early age.

Fights like this happened when I was a kid because I have a great IMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGINATION! *makes rainbow with his hands*

What kind of reputation do the French have @Ryjkyj ?

None, you're right, I was drunk and smoking crack. There has been no popular comedic theme regarding the French and warfare... ever. That would be insensitive. I forgot. Please, please, please forgive me.

There's something oddly disturbing about this video...

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incoming french missiles in 3....2.........

>> ^Ryjkyj:

None, you're right, I was drunk and smoking crack. There has been no popular comedic theme regarding the French and warfare... ever. That would be insensitive. I forgot. Please, please, please forgive me.

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That was way better than I expected.

>> ^shponglefan:

There's something oddly disturbing about this video...


I agree. And I love it. It blurs the line between play and reality. One of the key features of play is that it has no real consequences, but this video shows what would happen if that barrier were to disappear. I think it does a great job too of contrasting the cruelty of the adult world with the innocence of children... or perhaps the cruelty of children with the naivety of adults who think of them as innocent? Either way, it is great.

I just watched this with the sound down because my kids are in the room and I didn't want them coming over to see what I was watching. I'm glad that I did too because that was pretty gruesome.

And AWESOME

Hmmm I downvoted... kids see this & kids are dumb = Dead kids

The glorification of violence by smiling kids 'killing' each other... There are kids right now in armies, killing each other. And they are not happily smiling, unless they're drugged out of their mind to keep theam attached to their army by addiction.

Edit: The kids smile, there are no consequences seen for their actions, to me, this is glorification. And yes, it's not aimed at children, but they'll see it. And they know where their dad has his hunting rifle.

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Oddly? I think just disturbing. *controversy.>> ^shponglefan:

There's something oddly disturbing about this video...

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This is exactly the way I used to play as a kid. I used to think GI Joe was the coolest thing on earth.

I am fascinated by guns. I know way more than the average person about guns. I know how they work and how to operate them. Yet I don't own a gun, and I don't plan on owning a gun.

OK, Jeffery, in this scene you start with your pistol raised, and then lower it and execution style shoot him rapidly in the head.

And yet Jeffery knows exactly what these directions mean.

But don't let him see Janet Jackson's nipple.

America. Jeesh.


>> ^deathcow:

OK, Jeffery, in this scene you start with your pistol raised, and then lower it and execution style shoot him rapidly in the head.

It's really strange, the things we teach our children.

snuff film for pseudo masochists..this is appalling for many reasons..if I ever have kids I am moving them to antartica and we will study penguins. symbolic downvote

>> ^DerHasisttot:

Hmmm I downvoted... kids see this & kids are dumb = Dead kids
The glorification of violence by smiling kids 'killing' each other... There are kids right now in armies, killing each other. And they are not happily smiling, unless they're drugged out of their mind to keep theam attached to their army by addiction.
Edit: The kids smile, there are no consequences seen for their actions, to me, this is glorification. And yes, it's not aimed at children, but they'll see it. And they know where their dad has his hunting rifle.


Oh for fuck sake, get off the insane, constructed PC horse. Who didnt play Cowboy and indians as kids (ooohh racist-alarm!!!) This is all such bogus nonsense. Kids play with guns, in video games or in the backyard. If you dont buy them plastic shit, theyll use a fucking stick, like I did when I was a kid. This video is a wonderful tribute to the imagination of kids. Get over it. If one of these kids grow up to be some sort of serial killer, its not going to be because someone made this video, same goes for any kid watching it. Get real.

> But don't let him see Janet Jackson's nipple.

That thing was unsanitary!

>> ^BicycleRepairMan:

>> ^DerHasisttot:
Hmmm I downvoted... kids see this & kids are dumb = Dead kids
The glorification of violence by smiling kids 'killing' each other... There are kids right now in armies, killing each other. And they are not happily smiling, unless they're drugged out of their mind to keep theam attached to their army by addiction.
Edit: The kids smile, there are no consequences seen for their actions, to me, this is glorification. And yes, it's not aimed at children, but they'll see it. And they know where their dad has his hunting rifle.

Oh for fuck sake, get off the insane, constructed PC horse. Who didnt play Cowboy and indians as kids (ooohh racist-alarm!!!) This is all such bogus nonsense. Kids play with guns, in video games or in the backyard. If you dont buy them plastic shit, theyll use a fucking stick, like I did when I was a kid. This video is a wonderful tribute to the imagination of kids. Get over it. If one of these kids grow up to be some sort of serial killer, its not going to be because someone made this video, same goes for any kid watching it. Get real.


Nothing bad can come from a widespread disregard for human life and the fragility thereof

>> ^DerHasisttot:
Nothing bad can come from a widespread disregard for human life and the fragility thereof


Oh, please.

Your link, if anything , proves my point, that poor man was shot partly because of the obsessiveness with danger from using weapons..

The guy was shot because, like the kids in this video, he used a "weapon" for fun, by doing something constructive with it. The PC protection obsession is what leads to a world where kids with a plastic gun can be shot on sight. He had harmless fun with his knife, just like these kids had with their waterpistols. And some obsessed maniac came along an interpreted it as a threat to society. Fuckin relax instead. live in the real world, where woodcarving, waterpistol shooting and the flashing of janet jacksons boob isn't viewed as a threat to our civilization, but for what it is: harmless fun.

>> ^DerHasisttot:

Hmmm I downvoted... kids see this & kids are dumb = Dead kids
The glorification of violence by smiling kids 'killing' each other... There are kids right now in armies, killing each other. And they are not happily smiling, unless they're drugged out of their mind to keep theam attached to their army by addiction.
Edit: The kids smile, there are no consequences seen for their actions, to me, this is glorification. And yes, it's not aimed at children, but they'll see it. And they know where their dad has his hunting rifle.


I respect your downvote... I'm cool with that. But I think you're highly exaggerating how "dangerous" this video is. Unless they are very young children (i.e. under the age of 6) they know the difference between make-believe and reality. If kids were truly that impressionable (i.e. gullible) there should be a slew of kids murdering each other in the streets after watching violent movies or playing violent video games. Yet, the FBI reports that violent crime stats have gone down this year--yet again. It's been on the decline for years now, even as violent games, movies, and TV shows--and childrens' access to them--have been on the rise.

As to dad having a hunting rifle... anyone owning firearms has the obligation to not only instruct their kids from an early age about how dangerous it is and keep it locked and away from curious hands, but also how to safely handle it (under supervision) in the event that the children ever do come across an unsecured firearm (maybe at a friend's house).

They need some of those garbage can lids over in Iraq and Afghanistan...

1. Yes, that poor man was shot multiple times with a lethal weapon because of the obsessiveness with danger from using weapons.

2. "The PC protection obsession is what leads to a world where kids with a plastic gun can be shot on sight." Really? Not the knowledge about the accessability of lethal guns for children? Not because a child playing with a lethal or toy- weapon for fun without malice is apparently enough reason to shoot the child in your scenario?

3."And some obsessed maniac came along an interpreted it as a threat to society." A police officer, brought up in a militaristic, gun loving culture. Who gets told he did the right thing by this society. Who is set free by this society. Who killed a human being with a gun in this society. And almost all are fine with that.

>> ^BicycleRepairMan:

>> ^DerHasisttot:
Nothing bad can come from a widespread disregard for human life and the fragility thereof

Oh, please.
Your link, if anything , proves my point, that poor man was shot partly because of the obsessiveness with danger from using weapons..
The guy was shot because, like the kids in this video, he used a "weapon" for fun, by doing something constructive with it. The PC protection obsession is what leads to a world where kids with a plastic gun can be shot on sight. He had harmless fun with his knife, just like these kids had with their waterpistols. And some obsessed maniac came along an interpreted it as a threat to society. Fuckin relax instead. live in the real world, where woodcarving, waterpistol shooting and the flashing of janet jacksons boob isn't viewed as a threat to our civilization, but for what it is: harmless fun.

>> ^SDGundamX:

>> ^DerHasisttot:
Hmmm I downvoted... kids see this & kids are dumb = Dead kids
The glorification of violence by smiling kids 'killing' each other... There are kids right now in armies, killing each other. And they are not happily smiling, unless they're drugged out of their mind to keep theam attached to their army by addiction.
Edit: The kids smile, there are no consequences seen for their actions, to me, this is glorification. And yes, it's not aimed at children, but they'll see it. And they know where their dad has his hunting rifle.

I respect your downvote... I'm cool with that. But I think you're highly exaggerating how "dangerous" this video is. Unless they are very young children (i.e. under the age of 6) they know the difference between make-believe and reality. If kids were truly that impressionable (i.e. gullible) there should be a slew of kids murdering each other in the streets after watching violent movies or playing violent video games. Yet, the FBI reports that violent crime stats have gone down this year--yet again. It's been on the decline for years now, even as violent games, movies, and TV shows--and childrens' access to them--have been on the rise.
As to dad having a hunting rifle... anyone owning firearms has the obligation to not only instruct their kids from an early age about how dangerous it is and keep it locked and away from curious hands, but also how to safely handle it (under supervision) in the event that the children ever do come across an unsecured firearm (maybe at a friend's house).


I agree, I should have set the focus more from the video to the society which sees no problem with the video. By no means I want to say that this video leads to streets littered with dead kids, but:
In my opinion, it contributes to the view of a society in which guns are presented as toys. It's not a great leap from toy to the real thing.

Children learn late in their development about death as an ever-present 'danger' to themselves and others, about 8-10 years of age. But the concept of action and consequence grows only with education.
If education is lacking, the lack of this concept can last up into the middle teens. This can lead to kids playing with guns, pointing at their friends or parents and sometimes pulling the trigger. Young Kids not properly educated don't see the seriousness in the relation of gun -> trigger -> bullet -> wound -> death ; until it has happened or they grow up. (I tried to find a good source, but atm i have only my german pedagogy lessons about child development; so you may disregard what i said about the action/consequence thing by the rules of good debate.)

"anyone owning firearms has the obligation to not only instruct their kids from an early age about how dangerous it is and keep it locked and away from curious hands, but also how to safely handle it (under supervision) in the event that the children ever do come across an unsecured firearm (maybe at a friend's house)."

Yes, but what about the kids whose parents do not own firearms? Are the kids of firearm-owners tested on their knowledge about guns? Are the firearm-owners tested on the fact that they have taught their children? Has every owner of a gun also received a mandated education on the subject?

@DerHasisttot

In response to your final question (about the education of firearm owners), it varies depending on the state. Some states require training in firearms safety when you make a legal purchase (of course, some people choose to buy illegally or through unlicensed vendors, but that's a different issue). Other states require a child-lock on the gun at all times when you're not using it. The NRA (National Rifle Association) in the US, which obviously is pretty pro-gun, are huge advocates of training all kids (whether their families are gun owners or not) about how to safely handle firearms. My family never owned a gun, but our neighbors did and they showed me how to treat a rifle with respect.

I've seen in the U.S. hidden camera video of kindergartners playing with an (unloaded) firearm that was left unsecured in a room with them and clearly they didn't understand the danger it presented--they aimed at other children in the room and pulled the trigger laughing. But I'm guessing this is because they assumed it wouldn't fire.

When interviewed afterwards, they all looked horrified and uncomfortable when the reporter doing the hidden camera story asked them what they would have done if the gun had accidentally gone off for real. They clearly understood it could seriously hurt another child. They just didn't think the gun they had found would actually go off. That's why I'm a bit suspicious when you say it takes from 8-10 years of age to understand the concept of death. Those kids were kindergartners (around 6 years old) and they clearly got the idea, although they hadn't thought far enough ahead to realize that would be the consequences of their actions at the time.

I agree with you partially about the glorification of violence in society--particularly U.S. society. I feel that all too often violence is portrayed in the media as an acceptable solution to problems that really could have been solved non-violently. In the U.S. we seem to take perverse pride in people who are behaving badly "getting what's coming to them" (i.e. violence). But I don't think this particular video glorifies that aspect of violence.

On the other hand, violence is a part of life. Violence and the threat of violence is necessary to maintain a stable society. For example, police need to be able to use violence to stop criminals who are actively attempting to hurt others and/or the officers. There are certainly times (self-defense) where individual violence is necessary. I don't think it does anyone--particularly children--any good to stick our heads in the sand and hide from that fact that violence is a part of human nature. As long as we are educating children about the moral and ethical implications of violence, I have no trouble with them viewing it.

And that includes videos like this which include imaginary violence. Let's face it, imaginary violence is fun! The reason is that it is free from the horrible consequences that accompany real violence. When we play cops 'n robbers as kids, we pretend to shoot each other. But part of the fun is that when everyone is "dead" we can all get back up and play again. And most kids (unless they've had some kind of psychotic break with reality) "get" the fact that this is because there is a difference between imaginary violence (the kind they see on TV or in video games) and real violence.

Like I said before, that's why I find this video to be one of the most artful music videos I've ever seen. It gets us to look at that imaginary violence of play in a new way. It is much more "realistic" than we expect. At the same time we realize it is still imaginary violence. Yet, though we realize it is imaginary it still makes us feel uncomfortable! Artistic brilliance, in my opinion.

To be honest, I'd love to see one of those "Kids watch..." videos that have been floating around the Sift tackle this video and get real children's ideas about the violence portrayed in this vid. I think it would be really illuminating.

"...Well, there goes another one.. Why is it when we show the home movies the neighbors always bolt out of our house screaming?".
-Luc Besson

[rant]Christ... just shut down the internet. Someone is offended.

PU FUCKING LEASE.

Get off your damned PC, helicopter parenting, bullshit.

Should you let a six year old see this? NO. Should we ban it because you are a fuckface? NO.

How about you don't let your kids on the internet unsupervised and we can all enjoy a satirical French video that is actually well-produced and entertaining.

FFS.
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If you live in America, you should be educating your kids about guns - Period