Dick Santorum is so stupid he is called out during interview

I enjoyed this deeply.
NetRunnersays...

To me the facepalm moment is the number itself -- 280 million jobs created? The US population is something like 300 million.

Santorum just digs it deeper by saying that the stimulus is bad if the estimate of jobs created ever gets revised down to a smaller, but still positive number, even when it still means the stimulus created millions of jobs that the economy would not otherwise have had.

*news
*fail

Mikus_Aureliussays...

230 million jobs? That's like 2 jobs for every working American. Is he referring to a monthly jobs report (230,000 sounds about right)? He does know that the standard presidential term is longer than a month right?

Right?

Oh well, another name for my "too stupid to be president" list.

bareboards2says...

I found this quote:

'Think Progress pointed out that there are currently 13.9 million people unemployed, and only 153 million in the entire U.S. labor force.

“If the Obama administration had created 240 to 280 million jobs, the unemployment crisis would have been solved several times over, and America would have so many jobs that it would need to start employing workers from all over the world just to fill all the available positions,” Think Progress’ Pat Garofalo wrote.'

Ah, the internet -- I found it in the President's report published on July 1 http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/cea_7th_arra_report.pdf:

"The analysis indicates that the Recovery Act has raised the level of GDP substantially relative to what it otherwise would have been and has saved or created between 2.4 and 3.6 million jobs as of the first quarter of 2011."

Basic slapdown point remains -- not creating as much as previously thought is not the same as jobs lost.

NetRunnersays...

>> ^Mikus_Aurelius:

Is he referring to a monthly jobs report (230,000 sounds about right)?


I do get some level of curiosity about where the lying talking points bobbleheads like Santorum come from.

My guess is that it's based on this report from the White House CEA, since I've seen a number of right-wing op eds out there that willfully misread it to say something bad about the effect of stimulus, even though the report doesn't say anything bad about the stimulus at all.

If he was willfully making the mistake of thinking a downward-revised estimate is a sign that the stimulus "cost jobs", then the numbers he meant to say were probably 2.8 million, falling to 2.4 million, since that sorta lines up with the revision of those estimates in the report. Though even that required cherrypicking the estimation methodology with the largest drop, and "rounding" 2.68 million up to 2.8...and then ignoring the conclusion of the report:

As of the first quarter of 2011, the report estimates that the Recovery Act raised employment by 2.4 to 3.6 million jobs relative to what it otherwise would have been.

heropsychosays...

And that's what a journalist should absolutely do in that situation. Call this crap out IMMEDIATELY! Absolutely ridiculous statement by Santorum, and the problem is there are a bunch of conservative nutjob voters who would hear that statement and think it's true because it's anti-Obama.

Slamming the stimulus for the long term effects on the economy and providing a long term explanation of how it hurts is perfectly fair and fine. But it's ridiculous to suggest a stimulus in the short term cost jobs. Utterly ridiculous....

lucky760says...

>> ^MrFisk:

Rick: You said you would give me $100.
Obama: I gave you $86.
Rick: You stole $14 from me!


Or more accurately:

  • Obama: Here's a stack of cash for you. It's estimated to be $280.
  • Santorum: I count only $240. Shit! Not only is my checking account now empty, but now I owe my bank $40!!!
Cue @quantumushroom's sensible defense here, which I'm guessing will include diverting attention to some unrelated complaints about Obama.

ObsidianStormsays...

Well of course he didn't budge. Do they EVER?

The neo-right wing way is to double down on EVERYTHING and never allow even the slightest hint of possibility that they could ever be wrong about anything.

If there is a conflict between what they say and reality, reality is wrong. Just check the Wiki...

Paybacksays...

>> ^lucky760:

>> ^MrFisk:
Rick: You said you would give me $100.
Obama: I gave you $86.
Rick: You stole $14 from me!

Or more accurately:

  • Obama: Here's a stack of cash for you. It's estimated to be $280.
  • Santorum: I count only $240. Shit! Not only is my checking account now empty, but now I owe my bank $40!!!
Cue quantumushroom's sensible defense here, which I'm guessing will include diverting attention to some unrelated complaints about Obama.


It's entirely possible he would agree Santorum is a moron figurehead.


...and THEN divert attention.

robbersdog49says...

>> ^ToastyBuffoon:

Wow, even after the anchor EXPLAINS it to him, he still refuses to budge.


I'm pretty sure he understands the mistake, and did before he made the statement. Unfortunately he knows that a good proportion of the people watching won't understand the mistake, and that's the important bit.

pmkierstsays...

It is similar to arguing that birth control is equivalent to abortion or that copying a CD is the same as theft. Some argue that if you take actions which decrease potential, it is the same as decreasing actuality. It isn't a mistake, really, it is an interpretation. IMO, a bogus one, but clearly he won't back down on his interpretation, since he does not consider it mistaken.

JiggaJonsonsays...

>> ^heropsycho:

And that's what a journalist should absolutely do in that situation. Call this crap out IMMEDIATELY! Absolutely ridiculous statement by Santorum, and the problem is there are a bunch of conservative nutjob voters who would hear that statement and think it's true because it's anti-Obama.
Slamming the stimulus for the long term effects on the economy and providing a long term explanation of how it hurts is perfectly fair and fine. But it's ridiculous to suggest a stimulus in the short term cost jobs. Utterly ridiculous....


You're right and note how the co-anchor here keeps quiet and tries to change the subject immediately. Pathetic.

Paybacksays...

>> ^pmkierst:

It is similar to arguing that birth control is equivalent to abortion or that copying a CD is the same as theft. Some argue that if you take actions which decrease potential, it is the same as decreasing actuality. It isn't a mistake, really, it is an interpretation. IMO, a bogus one, but clearly he won't back down on his interpretation, since he does not consider it mistaken.


He's basically setting you all up for taxation based on potential income, rather than actual.

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