I don't drink it for the health implications as with all my non animal product choices.

oh gawd i need to share the horror.
*promote

fine lady,you have properly grossed me out enough to never drink milk or eat cheese.

whats next? eggs?

and is it my imagination or did she give a slight,under the table jab,at vegetarians for not being vegetarian enough?

this women is going to be an epic jewish mother!!!
(or italian)
(or german)
(or korean)
(or mexican)
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Don't care. At all.

Still, it's good to have the argument put to you so that you can reject it. Most people consume animal products because most people consume animal products, not because they've made an intelligent moral choice.

I see videos like this and mainly I think about how cool and elegant are the logistics involved in food production.

Epilepsy is also scary.

If we stop drinking milk and eating beef cows are really in trouble. How about enforcing some standards? Oh we do that. Should we change those standards or the way they are policed? No, apparently we should be scared to drink milk. No thanks.

And she is pretty discriminatory too. Yes, most vegetarians partake of such a diet because they are environmentally conscious. But many are not. Many cannot eat meat, or health-wise choose not to. Lumping people together is as old as cheese

Once again, they take the worst case scenarios and pretend that's how ALL milk is made, and all cattle are treated. It's a lie.
I'm getting pretty tired of that methodology, no matter who uses it.
Yep, lady, vegans are crazy....and liars, exaggerators, and attempted guilt purveyors....at least in your case.
Try honesty if you think you have a point to make....otherwise I'll see exaggeration and think 'Oh, I guess they DON'T have a real point to make, that's why they just lied to make their point'.
Yes, all these things happen, but not in all cases BY FAR. It may be a good reason to stop buying milk from factory farms that use these methods, but not a reason to stop altogether anymore than my wife's stated reason...she says that's it's just white cow pee. That's just about as honest as this video is.

Also, side note, when an organization that wants to reach people who care about animals do it by showing videos of animals being tortured, I'm turned off on the organization every time. It's why the SPCA won't ever get a dime from me. I don't reward attempted guilt trips. EDIT : This video is akin to the SPCA commercials of abused dogs ending with a statement about how this is why no one should be allowed to keep dogs.

"It is estimated that an average consumer of...milk who drinks 190 kg per year for 70 years is responsible for the deaths of 2.5 cows."

I think I can bear that on my conscience. Especially since I like cheese on my hamburgers.

*controversy

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It's not all dairy farms, but it's most. See http://www.ers.usda.gov/media/430528/err47b_1_.pdf or page 7 of http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/nass/sb/sb978.pdf (note my requirement of .edu not some blowhard blogger).

Namely:
The number of dairy farms with fewer than 500 cows (your "good places") has decreased significantly and the number with more than 500 has increased majorly. And those farms with more than 500 account for 50% of the milk made.

So, yeah. There are some good farms out there. But the number is shrinking and they're unable to compete with the large factory farms.

Also, from one of the docs cited above:
In 2000, about 71.1 percent of production came from
operations of 100 or more cows, up from 55.2 percent
in 1993. Production from the smallest herds, not a
large share to begin with, fell by about half—from 4.1
to 2 percent

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Rather than refute any of the other claims above, I'll just leave it at this. I have vegan exhaustion. My point is that these aren't just made up vegan facts from PETA, these are studies by the USDA.

My point. Honesty would go a long way, much farther than exaggeration to make a point. Things are bad enough without any need for exaggeration clouding the waters. The video strongly implied that this is how all milk is produced, while, as you indicated, as much as 50% is not produced using these methods. Those 50% should be mentioned, IMO, and applauded for taking the extra time and effort to give their animals a better, at least comfortable if not free, life.

Your stats sound like a reason to buy milk...from local smaller producers. Otherwise only the giant factory farms that are invariably the worst at care for the animals will be left. A better solution in my eyes is to support those doing it 'right'.

Your stats are confusing. In one paragraph, you say that 50% of milk is made by 'smaller' (<500 cow-'good') farms, then you have other statistics about tiny (<100 cow) farms. If under 500 cow farms are USUALLY the "good" kind, why mention the under 100 cow stat, unless it's just to show how few there are in what's likely the 'best' category? (or is it to include my family's farm techniques in the equation, since we've discussed it before?...so you know, we had 200+- head on 300 acres when we had them, free range...now we (well, they, I moved to California) have about 100+- angora goats) Again, the second set of stats would also seem to me to be a good argument for supporting local, small farmers that take much better care of their animals (and produce a better product), rather than a good reason to boycott farm products altogether....but that's just me.

EDIT: Can we agree that the tactic of, without warning, showing horrid animal abuse to people who love animals is not a good way to get them on your side?

I can and can't agree. I agree that most logical, decent people will be turned off by emotional, often biased, graphic arguments. This is true and is exactly why I prefer to advocate for animals by example, as I told you before.

However, for some people it does get through to them. They're also often the people that still think all farms are like Old McDonald's. But I agree with you. I think it'd be much more convincing to a larger group of people if you temper some of the yuck factor and make sure you put it into context.

Regardless, it is pretty horrifying that those conditions exist anywhere in a first-world country and no major action is being taken. Sure, you can have a party for all the good farms, but I think you can say categorically that all the factory farms, which there are tons of, are beyond abhorrent.

OK, we're pretty much on the same page then.
I don't have an answer to how one might warn those that are only turned off by those images while also getting those that don't believe the torture happens to see them, but I do fear they do your issue more harm than good as is.
While I may disagree with some of your points, I do agree with your (apparent) goal of ending unnecessary animal suffering.

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