Crazy Lady Doesn't Like Skateboarding, or Little Bastards

Crazy Lady Doesn't Like Skateboarding, or Little Bastards
spawnflaggersays...

Fuck those little bastards. The lady was acting very reasonable - she's the manager, it's private property, those kids were 100% in the wrong. It also looked like the one that lost the board was intentionally trying to collide with her.

I hope this video gets popular, the police trace it down (dumb for uploading it...), and she presses charges against them. Of course since they are under 18, not much will happen, but hopefully they learn something.

newtboysays...

So, spawnflagger, it seems your theory is if someone upsets you, you can steal their property? They may have been wrong to be there, it does not excuse her behavior.
The stupid lady tried to get herself run into (so she could call the cops and claim assault? I've seen this tactic before) then tried to steal the kids property. If he had been hurt when she jumped in front of him and he fell, she would have a HUGE lawsuit coming. She wanted a confrontation, the kids wanted to leave. The kid that lost the board certainly seemed to have jumped off to avoid hitting her, not in an attempt to collide with her.
She has nothing to press charges for, the police won't usually come for trespass, and certainly wouldn't waste time investigating this.
I feel like she got what she deserved for trying to hit the kids and steal their things, she fell on her face. If she had caught them, it could have been assault at best, and possibly kidnapping and unlawful detainment, you just can't do that people. They might have been within their rights to beat her senseless until she let them go.

ChaosEnginesays...

She wasn't stealing it, she confiscated it while they were engaged in something they were explicitly told not to do... ON HER PROPERTY.

A few years ago, I went to see Inception at the cinema and some little scumbags kept shining a laser pointer at the screen. After about 30 mins I figured out who it was, walked up to them, and told them to give it to me, or there would be trouble. They did, I gave it back to them after the movie. Was I stealing?

"They might have been within their rights to beat her senseless until she let them go."

No, they wouldn't have. Not even close. She wasn't holding them against their will, she took their board. By your rationale, a student would be entitled to beat a teacher senseless if they took the cell phone off them in class.

Frankly, fuck them. She asked them to leave and they deliberately set out to provoke her. They're cowardly little shits and they can count themselves lucky if they don't get in trouble.

edit: upvote, because as @spawnflagger says, I hope they get nailed because of this.

newtboysaid:

So, spawnflagger, it seems your theory is if someone upsets you, you can steal their property? They may have been wrong to be there, it does not excuse her behavior.
The stupid lady tried to get herself run into (so she could call the cops and claim assault? I've seen this tactic before) then tried to steal the kids property. If he had been hurt when she jumped in front of him and he fell, she would have a HUGE lawsuit coming. She wanted a confrontation, the kids wanted to leave. The kid that lost the board certainly seemed to have jumped off to avoid hitting her, not in an attempt to collide with her.
She has nothing to press charges for, the police won't usually come for trespass, and certainly wouldn't waste time investigating this.
I feel like she got what she deserved for trying to hit the kids and steal their things, she fell on her face. If she had caught them, it could have been assault at best, and possibly kidnapping and unlawful detainment, you just can't do that people. They might have been within their rights to beat her senseless until she let them go.

ChaosEnginesays...

Actually, fuck it, while I'm on this soapbox....

I'm usually pro-skater. I firmly believe that skater should be able to use parks, sidewalks etc, and cities actually need to start thinking about incorporating skating as a valid transport mechanism. It's cheap, carbon neutral, provides exercise and creates almost no congestion.

Most skaters I know are awesome people, but these little scumbags give them a bad name.

newtboysays...

"confiscating" is a thing only the government can legally do, when private citizens "confiscate" we call it stealing. In your example you asked the offender for the laser, if you had ripped it from their hands it likely would be technically illegal (even without tripping them like she did). When you take another's property without permission it's stealing, it does not matter if you claim you intend to give it back later or if they are asshats.
I was talking about the end of the video where she tries to either grab or punch the kid running away, and falls doing it. If she had grabbed and held him, as it seemed she was trying to do, they could have freed themselves, whatever that took. That's what I was saying, of course they could not legally beat her because she stole their board. I did say "if she had caught them..." in the original post, but I guess that wasn't clear.
I agree, the kids were wrong and should have left when told to, she should have escorted them off the property and returned the board, not tried to bully them because they didn't listen to her right away. They did "offer" to leave if she returned their property. What she did could have easily put her in danger of being sued (successfully) had her timing been better, or beaten with skateboards if the kids had really been little scumbags, and she had other, better options.

edit: on a side note, my point that she's just bullying is born out by the fact that she tells the kids they can get the board back from the sheriff, but then later indicates she had not intended to really call the sheriff by saying "OK, now I AM calling." (this implies she didn't intend to call until they grabbed for their board).

ChaosEnginesaid:

She wasn't stealing it, she confiscated it while they were engaged in something they were explicitly told not to do... ON HER PROPERTY.

A few years ago, I went to see Inception at the cinema and some little scumbags kept shining a laser pointer at the screen. After about 30 mins I figured out who it was, walked up to them, and told them to give it to me, or there would be trouble. They did, I gave it back to them after the movie. Was I stealing?

"They might have been within their rights to beat her senseless until she let them go."

No, they wouldn't have. Not even close. She wasn't holding them against their will, she took their board. By your rationale, a student would be entitled to beat a teacher senseless if they took the cell phone off them in class.

Frankly, fuck them. She asked them to leave and they deliberately set out to provoke her. They're cowardly little shits and they can count themselves lucky if they don't get in trouble.

edit: upvote, because as @spawnflagger says, I hope they get nailed because of this.

lucky760says...

A sockpuppet is a false account someone else created just for self-service, e.g., to vote or comment on their own posts to help legitimize their spam or submit more spam. Sometimes people will use a sockpuppet simply because they want more votes. The posting guidelines clearly state only 1 account is permitted per person.

So, a sockpuppeteer is someone who operates a sockpuppet.

braschlosansaid:

What is a sockpuppeteer?

chingalerasays...

I used my skateboard for my primary means of transportation while living in San Francisco-Once, a cop approached me (never had been for 2 years while on my daily commute) quite gruffly with obvious control issues telling me to get off the board now. I did, and he proceeded to rant about ordinances and threaten me with arrest. I reminded him that I had immediately complied and began walking away from him. He escalated his rant, I dropped the board, mounted and sailed away.

My only encounter with the po-po on a board happened to be with a dickhead. I run from dickheads, especially alphas with issues that have been given unlimited power to fuck me.

All that to say, these skaters were dicks and had it been my property, I'd have taken the kids board and cracked his deck on my property, then given it back....or perhaps I would have simply pummeled them with eggs, grease, water, etc. from a window.

Confuciussays...

Lulz....since when can you legally confiscate anything anywhere even if its on your property? (BTW she was a building manager not an owner)

But sir...i didn't steal their wallet. I CONFISCATED it. Carry on then....

You're lucky you were able to bully those laser-pointer KIDS into giving you their pointer. They could have easily told you to buzz-off. Then What? Then you could have either awkwardly sat back down or you could have been the 'crazy lady' in a movie theatre.

The only legal thing to do is have a chat and if that doesn't work, call the authorities.

ChaosEnginesaid:

She wasn't stealing it, she confiscated it while they were engaged in something they were explicitly told not to do... ON HER PROPERTY.

A few years ago, I went to see Inception at the cinema and some little scumbags kept shining a laser pointer at the screen. After about 30 mins I figured out who it was, walked up to them, and told them to give it to me, or there would be trouble. They did, I gave it back to them after the movie. Was I stealing?

"They might have been within their rights to beat her senseless until she let them go."

No, they wouldn't have. Not even close. She wasn't holding them against their will, she took their board. By your rationale, a student would be entitled to beat a teacher senseless if they took the cell phone off them in class.

Frankly, fuck them. She asked them to leave and they deliberately set out to provoke her. They're cowardly little shits and they can count themselves lucky if they don't get in trouble.

edit: upvote, because as @spawnflagger says, I hope they get nailed because of this.

albrite30says...

Bravo. In my youth I once had a person attempt to "confiscate" my dirt bike, because he "thought" I was doing something I shouldn't have. The only thing I was doing was doing skidouts in the dirt at the end of a bike path on public property. People think they have all kinds of "right" when it comes to enforcing other people's behavior. The fact is that they DO NOT. The proper response in this woman's position would have been to politely ask them to leave. Then if they didn't leave call the police non-emergency number to report the trespass. Not 911! Most skateboarders will leave as soon as they are asked to and the rest will leave after the police are contacted.

Confuciussaid:

Lulz....since when can you legally confiscate anything anywhere even if its on your property? (BTW she was a building manager not an owner)

But sir...i didn't steal their wallet. I CONFISCATED it. Carry on then....

You're lucky you were able to bully those laser-pointer KIDS into giving you their pointer. They could have easily told you to buzz-off. Then What? Then you could have either awkwardly sat back down or you could have been the 'crazy lady' in a movie theatre.

The only legal thing to do is have a chat and if that doesn't work, call the authorities.

ChaosEnginesays...

You seem to labouring under the misapprehension that I was ASKING them. I told them to give it to me. If they hadn't, I'd have had them thrown out of the cinema.

And actually there is a legal precedent for this, it's called "ex turpi causa".

Besides, apply a bit of common sense here. If a kid hits a baseball onto your property, you don't have to gIve it back to them straight away.

These kids are self entitled little fucks (especially the un-self-aware idiot who whined about it being "so obnoxious... Stealing people's stuff")

Frankly, they were lucky, that THREE of them managed to overpower a small, middle aged lady. If the manager had been a bit more physically intimidating, this would've ended very differently.

Confuciussaid:

Lulz....since when can you legally confiscate anything anywhere even if its on your property? (BTW she was a building manager not an owner)

But sir...i didn't steal their wallet. I CONFISCATED it. Carry on then....

You're lucky you were able to bully those laser-pointer KIDS into giving you their pointer. They could have easily told you to buzz-off. Then What? Then you could have either awkwardly sat back down or you could have been the 'crazy lady' in a movie theatre.

The only legal thing to do is have a chat and if that doesn't work, call the authorities.

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