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sixshotsays...Well, the guy was lucky to have the scene captured on video. But I don't see his problem with the supposed confederate flag.
Playing a bit of the devil's advocate here... but I'm sure most people here understands it anyway.
Why do they hate the confederate (battle) flag so much? It makes no sense. Do they just hate because they want to hate? I hear these excuses saying that it's a symbol of hate or racism. Yet I don't. I don't see it as a symbol for those two. I see it for what it is, the flag that people associated with as the confederate. I see historical value in it.
The people who are angry over a mere flag needs to wake the F up. The people who are hating it needs a reality check. That flag and its symbol has been a part of history for many years. It has represented a part of American history that should not be forgotten. These flags should not be taken down just because people are angry or hating over it. As long as the confederate flag is flown below the American flag, I am fine with letting it be displayed.
newtboyYou can't really be that dense, can you?
Flying the battle flag represents love and support of the 'confederacy' and what it stood for, which was clearly based on racist dehumanization of millions of people (just read what the confederacy's founders said at the time, it's clear). You can ignore that it's a symbol of racial hatred, you can listen to those that claim it's about 'heritage', but you must consciously ignore that the heritage it represents is one of complete subjugation of a people based on the amount of melanin in their skin, and a clearly stated superiority of those with less melanin. That IS the history of the flag, it is not, and never was about any other part of Southern culture.
Your mistaken feelings about this flag indicate that you think Germany should still fly the swastika, just below the current German flag? It's pretty much the same thing, and the same level of insult to the victims of the confederacy as the swastika would be to Jews/Polish/French/Belgians/etc.
Well, the guy was lucky to have the scene captured on video. But I don't see his problem with the supposed confederate flag.
Playing a bit of the devil's advocate here... but I'm sure most people here understands it anyway.
Why do they hate the confederate (battle) flag so much? It makes no sense. Do they just hate because they want to hate? I hear these excuses saying that it's a symbol of hate or racism. Yet I don't. I don't see it as a symbol for those two. I see it for what it is, the flag that people associated with as the confederate. I see historical value in it.
The people who are angry over a mere flag needs to wake the F up. The people who are hating it needs a reality check. That flag and its symbol has been a part of history for many years. It has represented a part of American history that should not be forgotten. These flags should not be taken down just because people are angry or hating over it. As long as the confederate flag is flown below the American flag, I am fine with letting it be displayed.
SagemindLets be honest.
Most of didn't know anything about the flag when we were kids.
We all knew it as the flag that was on the roof of the Duke boy's car.
We thought it was cool, becuase it symbolized the General Lee "CAR" Don't forget the horn blast.( https://youtu.be/zAKksqKR3pI )
As we got older, we started to learn more about the flag, and what it represented.
But it's hard to let go of the happy childhood memories of watching the Dukes of Hazard every week and loving the car and the flag. And that is part of what stands in the way of us seeing what the flag symbolizes.
For most of us, we've imprinted a new meaning on the flag, so we don't always see it at a hate flag.
For those who view the swastika, we don't always see the symbol of peace it was for decades before the Nazi's appropriated it. We now only see it for the hate that redefined it.
Just some interesting thoughts....
Edit: I'm not defending the flag and it's use.
I don't celebrate tradition for tradition's sake - I think that's a poor excuse for flying the flag. It does represent bigotry in the Southern States, anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
I'm up in Canada, very detached from the bigotry down there, to me, it's the flag that was on the Duke's car.
ChaosEngineGreat comment. As someone who grew up in Ireland my only exposure to the flag was on the General Lee. And it's a car that jumps over bridges. That's cool. How can you not love that when you're 7?
It wasn't until years later when I happened to watch a rerun of Dukes that I actually made the connection.
First thought: wow, that is fucked up.
But hey, people were a little racist in the 70s (and 80s too). Hell, everyone was a lot homophobic in the 80s and 90s.
That's no excuse to learn and move on.
TL;DR: the A-team was better anyway.
Lets be honest.
Most of didn't know anything about the flag when we were kids.
We all knew it as the flag that was on the roof of the Duke boy's car.
We thought it was cool, becuase it symbolized the General Lee "CAR" Don't forget the horn blast.( https://youtu.be/zAKksqKR3pI )
As we got older, we started to learn more about the flag, and what it represented.
But it's hard to let go of the happy childhood memories of watching the Dukes of Hazard every week and loving the car and the flag. And that is part of what stands in the way of us seeing what the flag symbolizes.
For most of us, we've imprinted a new meaning on the flag, so we don't always see it at a hate flag.
For those who view the swastika, we don't always see the symbol of peace it was for decades before the Nazi's appropriated it. We now only see it for the hate that redefined it.
Just some interesting thoughts....
Edit: I'm not defending the flag and it's use.
I don't celebrate tradition for tradition's sake - I think that's a poor excuse for flying the flag. It does represent bigotry in the Southern States, anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
I'm up in Canada, very detached from the bigotry down there, to me, it's the flag that was on the Duke's car.
brycewi19*nsfw
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MordhausMeh, I don't think states should fly it, but I will defend to the last an individual's right to fly it if they choose to do so. I don't have to agree with them, but I would still defend it. Trying to shove people's first amendment rights down the gutter of political correctness has done nothing to help us. If anything it has made it harder to identify the crazy people.
PaybackSeriously? You're going with that?
Dude, the A-Team is worse shots than the Empire's Stormtroopers. At least the Empire was able to hit a planet.
A-Team couldn't hit a bullet with the side of a barn.
Great comment. As someone who grew up in Ireland my only exposure to the flag was on the General Lee. And it's a car that jumps over bridges. That's cool. How can you not love that when you're 7?
It wasn't until years later when I happened to watch a rerun of Dukes that I actually made the connection.
First thought: wow, that is fucked up.
But hey, people were a little racist in the 70s (and 80s too). Hell, everyone was a lot homophobic in the 80s and 90s.
That's no excuse to learn and move on.
TL;DR: the A-team was better anyway.
ChaosEngineDude, better theme music, better vehicle (a team van > general lee), Mr T and George freaking "I love it when a plan comes together" Peppard!
/argument
Seriously? You're going with that?
Dude, the A-Team is worse shots than the Empire's Stormtroopers. At least the Empire was able to hit a planet.
A-Team couldn't hit a bullet with the side of a barn.
Hanover_Phistsays...If southern pride and heritage are so important to you that you don't mind being mistaken for a horrible racist bigot, guess what? You're a horrible racist bigot. Congratulations.
newtboyOh, you had me until your arguments WHY A-team was better.
Lets see...black 'rape' van better than a high flying, 'street legal' racing Charger? I respectfully disagree.
Better theme song, not to my ears, but both are good.
Peppard, better than Uncle Jesse, depends on the episode to me. Mr. T, OK, he's better than any single Duke character...but Murdock wasn't 1/4 the comedy relief of Roscoe P Coltrane, Enos, and Flash....and the Team had nothing to answer Daisy!
"I love it when a plan come's together", great line (I still say it all the time), but then again, so was "Luke, how come you didn't stop for me?" asked by Bo after diving in the window of the General at about 30 mph!
Then you have the military supermen that can't hit a person-ever VS the country boys that can hit moving targets from moving targets with arrows wrapped with dynamite and moonshine Molotov's! COME ON!
But all that said, 9/10 episodes of Hazard were basically the same story, Boss Hog is stealing something and the boys need to escape the crooked law to stop him. At least A-Team had more story variation, more explosions, and just as many car flips/jumps. Kind of an apple/orange thing to me. My 12 year old self was glad they were not on at the same time, no DVR back then.
Dude, better theme music, better vehicle (a team van > general lee), Mr T and George freaking "I love it when a plan comes together" Peppard!
/argument
ChaosEngine"Rape" van?!? Jesus, newt, that's a bit much... and yeah, it was cooler. They turned the damn thing into a freaking tank half the time. Also, no confederate flag painted on it and not named for a general on team slavery, therefore cooler.
I will admit that the respective token women on the A-Team weren't a patch on Daisy.
Finally, what's with this nonsense about the A-Team being bad shots? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to fire an assault rifle at someone on full auto and not accidentally hit them? Look at this picture. Any idiot can hit the black section, but it takes almost superhuman marksmanship to unload a full clip into the white section!
The A-Team are like Batman. They could easily roll in and murder the hell out of everyone, but they choose the hard path. Want more proof?
Here's Murdoch (the least combat capable of the team) hitting a tire on moving target from a chasing car.... with a handgun and in one shot! And he does it in such a way that van does an epic roll and everyone inside is still ok. That's not just good, that's god like.
And while we're recapping 80s shows, Knight Rider was also better than the Dukes. </stirring>
Also, I love that this has turned into a discussion on the A-team vs Hazzard. It's exactly as much respect as those confederate flag waving douchebags in the video deserve.
Oh, you had me until your arguments WHY A-team was better.
Lets see...black 'rape' van better than a high flying, 'street legal' racing Charger? I respectfully disagree.
Better theme song, not to my ears, but both are good.
Peppard, better than Uncle Jesse, depends on the episode to me. Mr. T, OK, he's better than any single Duke character...but Murdock wasn't 1/4 the comedy relief of Roscoe P Coltrane, Enos, and Flash....and the Team had nothing to answer Daisy!
"I love it when a plan come's together", great line (I still say it all the time), but then again, so was "Luke, how come you didn't stop for me?" asked by Bo after diving in the window of the General at about 30 mph!
Then you have the military supermen that can't hit a person-ever VS the country boys that can hit moving targets from moving targets with arrows wrapped with dynamite and moonshine Molotov's! COME ON!
But all that said, 9/10 episodes of Hazard were basically the same story, Boss Hog is stealing something and the boys need to escape the crooked law to stop him. At least A-Team had more story variation, more explosions, and just as many car flips/jumps. Kind of an apple/orange thing to me. My 12 year old self was glad they were not on at the same time, no DVR back then.
PlayhousePals*length=1:52 poetic justice? hahahahahaha
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newtboyI had a no window van, and I always called it my rape van. It even had the locking cage in the back. (It was for racing, to hold my tools and stuff securely).
Gotta give it to you on almost every point, but I'm still team Hazard, but only by a fraction.
I can't believe no one else seems to remember Automan.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084978/
"Rape" van?!? Jesus, newt, that's a bit much... and yeah, it was cooler. They turned the damn thing into a freaking tank half the time. Also, no confederate flag painted on it and not named for a general on team slavery, therefore cooler.
I will admit that the respective token women on the A-Team weren't a patch on Daisy.
Finally, what's with this nonsense about the A-Team being bad shots? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to fire an assault rifle at someone on full auto and not accidentally hit them? Look at this picture. Any idiot can hit the black section, but it takes almost superhuman marksmanship to unload a full clip into the white section!
The A-Team are like Batman. They could easily roll in and murder the hell out of everyone, but they choose the hard path. Want more proof?
Here's Murdoch (the least combat capable of the team) hitting a tire on moving target from a chasing car.... with a handgun and in one shot! And he does it in such a way that van does an epic roll and everyone inside is still ok. That's not just good, that's god like.
And while we're recapping 80s shows, Knight Rider was also better than the Dukes. </stirring>
Also, I love that this has turned into a discussion on the A-team vs Hazzard. It's exactly as much respect as those confederate flag waving douchebags in the video deserve.
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