He handles the bigotry well.

Racial riots suck. I will say he makes many assumptions about things he personally didn't witness and that hearsay is an evil--but enough racial evils are committed each day to warrant his concerns.

I thought the BBC was better than that. He did a great job getting his message through in spite of the bias.

If those rioters are in fact just thugs then a crack down would fix it, but if they are rioting because of abuse and a lack of voice - then a crack down will only inflame things far worse.

If I was being stopped and searched everyday for no reason I'd be rioting too, so I certainly would not be agreeing that it's not a proper reason to riot like she was trying to say.

>> ^CaptainObvious:

I thought the BBC was better than that. He did a great job getting his message through in spite of the bias.
If those rioters are in fact just thugs then a crack down would fix it, but if they are rioting because of abuse and a lack of voice - then a crack down will only inflame things far worse.
If I was being stopped and searched everyday for no reason I'd be rioting too, so I certainly would not be agreeing that it's not a proper reason to riot like she was trying to say.


To be honest mate, even the poorest in my country have it better than a lot of fucking people, they're just greedy and have been promised a superstar future so they take shit.

From what i've heard over here on the news and seeing them myself, these guys are just thugs and idiot kids thinking it's party time and they're free to do what they want. Half of them are just going along with it. If there was a revolution a lot of people would happily join in but this is just an exercise of fun for them.

Btw - this guy OWNED her, seriously.

I just listened to a BBC radio report that allowed the Chief of police to simply rant about how there is no excuse for this behavior, they are only doing this because they're criminals.

There may not be an excuse for rioting...but you can be sure there's a reason. If the chief of police thinks that the only thing is that all these people are just criminals trying to steal and making up stories about why they're rioting then this place is in a LOT more trouble than we think.

Excellent comment. I especially like the distinction between "excuse" and "reason". It's not excusable behaviour, but there's a valid rationale behind it.>> ^Yogi:

I just listened to a BBC radio report that allowed the Chief of police to simply rant about how there is no excuse for this behavior, they are only doing this because they're criminals.
There may not be an excuse for rioting...but you can be sure there's a reason. If the chief of police thinks that the only thing is that all these people are just criminals trying to steal and making up stories about why they're rioting then this place is in a LOT more trouble than we think.

Darkus or Marcus? Classic

Like it says. Or you can always google it.>> ^Kofi:

Darkus or Marcus? Classic

Wow. I can't believe they interrupted him so many times, simply because of his skin color. And he's old too. They have no respect.

>> ^chilaxe:

Wow. I can't believe they interrupted him so many times, simply because of his skin color. And he's old too. They have no respect.


Ummm, what makes you think they interrupted him simply because of his skin colour? I'm the first person to jump down the throat of casual racism, but i saw nothing to suggest that here. If you're american, maybe that happens a lot over there, but i've never seen such a thing happen here. This was a standard report to my mind.

I know a few black professionals in the UK, and from what they tell me, disrespect like this is not uncommon in professional settings. Not saying the Brits are rabid racists, but crap does happen more than it should. >> ^dannym3141:
>> ^chilaxe:
Wow. I can't believe they interrupted him so many times, simply because of his skin color. And he's old too. They have no respect.

Ummm, what makes you think they interrupted him simply because of his skin colour? I'm the first person to jump down the throat of casual racism, but i saw nothing to suggest that here. If you're american, maybe that happens a lot over there, but i've never seen such a thing happen here. This was a standard report to my mind.

>> ^longde:

I know a few black professionals in the UK, and from what they tell me, disrespect like this is not uncommon in professional settings. Not saying the Brits are rabid racists, but crap does happen more than it should. >> ^dannym3141:
>> ^chilaxe:
Wow. I can't believe they interrupted him so many times, simply because of his skin color. And he's old too. They have no respect.

Ummm, what makes you think they interrupted him simply because of his skin colour? I'm the first person to jump down the throat of casual racism, but i saw nothing to suggest that here. If you're american, maybe that happens a lot over there, but i've never seen such a thing happen here. This was a standard report to my mind.



Happening once is happening more than it should for this sort of thing, but there is a big leap in the imagination to turn this video into racism if you ask me.

Why not? If you are someone who is on the receiving end of this behavior too often, I can't blame you for thinking this is part of the professional climate. On the other hand, people who are oblivious to those "micro-inequities" probably would think race has nothing to do with this.

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^longde:
I know a few black professionals in the UK, and from what they tell me, disrespect like this is not uncommon in professional settings. Not saying the Brits are rabid racists, but crap does happen more than it should. >> ^dannym3141:
>> ^chilaxe:
Wow. I can't believe they interrupted him so many times, simply because of his skin color. And he's old too. They have no respect.

Ummm, what makes you think they interrupted him simply because of his skin colour? I'm the first person to jump down the throat of casual racism, but i saw nothing to suggest that here. If you're american, maybe that happens a lot over there, but i've never seen such a thing happen here. This was a standard report to my mind.


Happening once is happening more than it should for this sort of thing, but there is a big leap in the imagination to turn this video into racism if you ask me.

>> ^longde:

Why not? If you are someone who is on the receiving end of this behavior too often, I can't blame you for thinking this is part of the professional climate. On the other hand, people who are oblivious to those "micro-inequities" probably would think race has nothing to do with this.
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^longde:
I know a few black professionals in the UK, and from what they tell me, disrespect like this is not uncommon in professional settings. Not saying the Brits are rabid racists, but crap does happen more than it should. >> ^dannym3141:
>> ^chilaxe:
Wow. I can't believe they interrupted him so many times, simply because of his skin color. And he's old too. They have no respect.

Ummm, what makes you think they interrupted him simply because of his skin colour? I'm the first person to jump down the throat of casual racism, but i saw nothing to suggest that here. If you're american, maybe that happens a lot over there, but i've never seen such a thing happen here. This was a standard report to my mind.


Happening once is happening more than it should for this sort of thing, but there is a big leap in the imagination to turn this video into racism if you ask me.



But that's a preposterous stance to take. In that way, everything that happens to a black man is racism. "Oh, you are simply not savvy enough with 'the way things are' to realise that this is racism."

If you think this is racism, i almost feel that you are being racist. This woman didn't treat him differently because he's black, this is how she'd treat any interviewee, she's a shit. I've seen these interviews before, black, white, everyone gets that.

Everything or every slight that happens to a black man is racism? Absolutely not.

I would think that every unprofessional, unwarranted slight that a black person experiences that he/she does not observe happening to a white person would be perceived as racism.

Given that, for this situation, some of the calculus would be: hmmmmm.....when was the last time this type of behavior was directed at a white professional in this setting. Is this unusual behavior?

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^longde:
Why not? If you are someone who is on the receiving end of this behavior too often, I can't blame you for thinking this is part of the professional climate. On the other hand, people who are oblivious to those "micro-inequities" probably would think race has nothing to do with this.
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^longde:
I know a few black professionals in the UK, and from what they tell me, disrespect like this is not uncommon in professional settings. Not saying the Brits are rabid racists, but crap does happen more than it should. >> ^dannym3141:
>> ^chilaxe:
Wow. I can't believe they interrupted him so many times, simply because of his skin color. And he's old too. They have no respect.

Ummm, what makes you think they interrupted him simply because of his skin colour? I'm the first person to jump down the throat of casual racism, but i saw nothing to suggest that here. If you're american, maybe that happens a lot over there, but i've never seen such a thing happen here. This was a standard report to my mind.


Happening once is happening more than it should for this sort of thing, but there is a big leap in the imagination to turn this video into racism if you ask me.


But that's a preposterous stance to take. In that way, everything that happens to a black man is racism. "Oh, you are simply not savvy enough with 'the way things are' to realise that this is racism."
If you think this is racism, i almost feel that you are being racist. This woman didn't treat him differently because he's black, this is how she'd treat any interviewee, she's a shit. I've seen these interviews before, black, white, everyone gets that.

>> ^longde:

Everything or every slight that happens to a black man is racism? Absolutely not.
I would think that every unprofessional, unwarranted slight that a black person experiences that he/she does not observe happening to a white person would be perceived as racism.
Given that, for this situation, some of the calculus would be: hmmmmm.....when was the last time this type of behavior was directed at a white professional in this setting. Is this unusual behavior?
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^longde:
Why not? If you are someone who is on the receiving end of this behavior too often, I can't blame you for thinking this is part of the professional climate. On the other hand, people who are oblivious to those "micro-inequities" probably would think race has nothing to do with this.
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^longde:
I know a few black professionals in the UK, and from what they tell me, disrespect like this is not uncommon in professional settings. Not saying the Brits are rabid racists, but crap does happen more than it should. >> ^dannym3141:
>> ^chilaxe:
Wow. I can't believe they interrupted him so many times, simply because of his skin color. And he's old too. They have no respect.

Ummm, what makes you think they interrupted him simply because of his skin colour? I'm the first person to jump down the throat of casual racism, but i saw nothing to suggest that here. If you're american, maybe that happens a lot over there, but i've never seen such a thing happen here. This was a standard report to my mind.


Happening once is happening more than it should for this sort of thing, but there is a big leap in the imagination to turn this video into racism if you ask me.


But that's a preposterous stance to take. In that way, everything that happens to a black man is racism. "Oh, you are simply not savvy enough with 'the way things are' to realise that this is racism."
If you think this is racism, i almost feel that you are being racist. This woman didn't treat him differently because he's black, this is how she'd treat any interviewee, she's a shit. I've seen these interviews before, black, white, everyone gets that.



To suggest that this reporter is racist based on this interview alone, that is a clear case of treating someone differently due to the colour of their skin.

That and the fact i've already told you, this was not unusual for this kind of interview.

@longde this isn't going far is it. Look, we may never agree. All i'm saying is, this reporter is a bitch, but let's not be unfair to her and accuse her of racism when there was no evidence for it. Just call her a bitch and leave the racism bit out, she didn't deserve that.

Edit: I don't live and i never hope to live a life where, if i call someone an asshole, i have to worry about the colour of their skin in case i get accused of racism. Because by the same line of reasoning, i could be accused of racism when my motives would not be racist.

Also, critiqing someone's motivations for crass behavior makes me a racist? That's a pretty obtuse definition of racism you're using.

In the states, this is actually a common tactic used by racists to deflect criticism. Any accusation, no matter how cut and dry, is given a kneejerk deflection by the accused or apologists. It's been taken to such an extreme that even a cross-burning klansman would call his critics racists.



>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^longde:
Why not? If you are someone who is on the receiving end of this behavior too often, I can't blame you for thinking this is part of the professional climate. On the other hand, people who are oblivious to those "micro-inequities" probably would think race has nothing to do with this.
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^longde:
I know a few black professionals in the UK, and from what they tell me, disrespect like this is not uncommon in professional settings. Not saying the Brits are rabid racists, but crap does happen more than it should. >> ^dannym3141:
>> ^chilaxe:
Wow. I can't believe they interrupted him so many times, simply because of his skin color. And he's old too. They have no respect.

Ummm, what makes you think they interrupted him simply because of his skin colour? I'm the first person to jump down the throat of casual racism, but i saw nothing to suggest that here. If you're american, maybe that happens a lot over there, but i've never seen such a thing happen here. This was a standard report to my mind.


Happening once is happening more than it should for this sort of thing, but there is a big leap in the imagination to turn this video into racism if you ask me.


But that's a preposterous stance to take. In that way, everything that happens to a black man is racism. "Oh, you are simply not savvy enough with 'the way things are' to realise that this is racism."
If you think this is racism, i almost feel that you are being racist. This woman didn't treat him differently because he's black, this is how she'd treat any interviewee, she's a shit. I've seen these interviews before, black, white, everyone gets that.

1. An accusation of racism would be due to her behavior towards the black person, not because she is white. A black interviewer in the same situation would be subject to the same accusation. I'm not one who distorts the meanings of words. You calling one a racist for questioning whether behavior is racism is really absurd.

2. If you say she does this all the time, I believe you. The way it was presented made it seem like this was unusual.>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^longde:
Everything or every slight that happens to a black man is racism? Absolutely not.
I would think that every unprofessional, unwarranted slight that a black person experiences that he/she does not observe happening to a white person would be perceived as racism.
Given that, for this situation, some of the calculus would be: hmmmmm.....when was the last time this type of behavior was directed at a white professional in this setting. Is this unusual behavior?
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^longde:
Why not? If you are someone who is on the receiving end of this behavior too often, I can't blame you for thinking this is part of the professional climate. On the other hand, people who are oblivious to those "micro-inequities" probably would think race has nothing to do with this.
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^longde:
I know a few black professionals in the UK, and from what they tell me, disrespect like this is not uncommon in professional settings. Not saying the Brits are rabid racists, but crap does happen more than it should. >> ^dannym3141:
>> ^chilaxe:
Wow. I can't believe they interrupted him so many times, simply because of his skin color. And he's old too. They have no respect.

Ummm, what makes you think they interrupted him simply because of his skin colour? I'm the first person to jump down the throat of casual racism, but i saw nothing to suggest that here. If you're american, maybe that happens a lot over there, but i've never seen such a thing happen here. This was a standard report to my mind.


Happening once is happening more than it should for this sort of thing, but there is a big leap in the imagination to turn this video into racism if you ask me.


But that's a preposterous stance to take. In that way, everything that happens to a black man is racism. "Oh, you are simply not savvy enough with 'the way things are' to realise that this is racism."
If you think this is racism, i almost feel that you are being racist. This woman didn't treat him differently because he's black, this is how she'd treat any interviewee, she's a shit. I've seen these interviews before, black, white, everyone gets that.


To suggest that this reporter is racist based on this interview alone, that is a clear case of treating someone differently due to the colour of their skin.
That and the fact i've already told you, this was not unusual for this kind of interview.

This conversation is getting stranger. I don't know how you got to klansmen.

Here's what i'm saying;
Not everything negatively said to a black person is racism. To claim that it is really undermines real racism that's happening out there. And think exactly how it can affect someone; this woman may just be an idiot, and you accuse her of racism, how might she feel? Say she never intended this to be racist, and she's sat at home thinking oh my god, these people are accusing me of being racist, i'm not a nasty person, etc. etc.

I think it's really fucking unfair to claim that this is racist, really unfair. And that's my final say. And if it turns out she was being racist - fuck her, i'll be annoyed too. But we don't know that, so leave the poor, stupid, interrupting, bad interviewer alone or at least insult her for those traits.

RE: critiquing someone's behaviour and questioning whether it was racist - that wasn't what i said, but you'll get what i meant if you want to. I'm pretty sure we agree on things here, misunderstanding or no.

Last things I'll say:

1. The strangeness began with your circular logic that says people who think others may be racist are themselves racist.
2. "Not everything negatively said to a black person is racism. To claim that it is really undermines real racism that's happening out there." Strawman argument. Noone made or makes this crazy claim.
3. "...how might she feel?" Looks likes her claim to fame is being a topgrade asshole. Who cares how she feels?

Darkus Howe is and always has been a complete douche. Its not comparable to the Arab Spring. They fought for democracy while the UK rioters did it for trainers and TV's.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Darcus, Howe, police, violence, race, racism, unreasonable, search' to 'Darcus Howe, riot, police, violence, race, racism, unreasonable, search' - edited by xxovercastxx

I was gonna sift this under the title "Why London is on Fire".

I could give a shit about the news drone trying to stifle Darkus Howe, I think everyone needs to hear what Darkus Howe says because in just 4 minutes he completely explains to you what's really happening in London, which apparently the BBC (and stateside media) obviously doesn't want you to hear.

Stop focusing on the lame attempts to stifle him, and revel in what he has to say.

*quality

Boosting this quality contribution up in the Hot Listing - declared quality by NetRunner.

This whole argument is getting on my nerves! There is only so much you can pin on the fact that the cops killed Mark Duggan. I understood the riots, the kick-offs at the heavy handed, I'm sure often racist tactics enforced by the police. But then it stopped being about that and started being about theft and destruction OF THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES.

If your argument is of police racism, then target the police stations, cop cars, whatever if you really feel you want your vengeance in this way. But to try and justify greed and theft and ruining peoples homes and livelihoods because you're oppressed? Fucking spare me. All they're managing to do is turn the majority of the UK against them and I really resent that I am one of them

This is just some middle of the road, middle england mid-morning BBC presenter trying to stop unsubstantiated and potentially dangerous anti-police rhetoric going out to the country. The BBC are the most reliable mainstream news source in the UK except maybe for the Guardian but they do have a 'look after the country and include everyone' agenda. Hardly the worst problem to have with a news agency.

Darkus has been vociferously sharing his opinion with the BBC for my whole life. He's OK by me and he has a good point about black kids being pissed off with the cops, nothing new there.

But this guy Duggan *ALLEGEDLY* had a loaded 9mm in his hand when the armed police came to get him. IF that's true (and remember de Menezes before believing them) then its a very short step to getting shot from there. As an excuse for a horde of chav 14 year olds to pile out of the estates into sports shops and steal trainers and flatscreens it's off message enough to be irresponsible to broadcast.

The real problem, that the BBC will stay will clear of on the morning news, is 30 years of unregulated capitalism, training kids to build their self esteem around what they have and relying on the market to get it to them. The market isn't looking after these families any more, and that means no one is. No brains, no prospects, no jobs, no money and still a constant barrage of adverts telling them what to desire. More trouble to come..

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^chilaxe

If you're american, maybe that happens a lot over there, but i've never seen such a thing happen here.


Wait ...what? "If you're American, maybe that happens over there?" Thanks for the casual insult. Why 'might' it happen over in America as opposed to lets say any other country? Why would you say something that dumb?

London riots: BBC apologises for accusing Darcus Howe
The BBC today apologised for a live interview on its news channel in which the veteran campaigner Darcus Howe was accused of taking part in riots.


More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8693842/London-riots-BBC-apologises-for-accusing-Darcus-Howe.html

>> ^Confucius:

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^chilaxe

If you're american, maybe that happens a lot over there, but i've never seen such a thing happen here.

Wait ...what? "If you're American, maybe that happens over there?" Thanks for the casual insult. Why 'might' it happen over in America as opposed to lets say any other country? Why would you say something that dumb?


Settle, petal. I know a lot of people on the sift are american. Well, and i know what fox news are like.

@longde"When was the last time this type of behavior was directed at a white professional in this setting."

Why would we compare the interview to one with a professional? The man in this interview comes off like a crazy old guy on the bus, not as someone with basic communication skills, mannerisms, and personality management.

Standards of professional communication skills shouldn't be lowered for him; He's perfectly capable of acting as professional and intelligent as Colin Powell or Will Smith.


Generally related: photos of the rioters seem to show the majority of them being typical white chavs, so idealizing them as democracy activists seems weird.

>> ^alien_concept:

This whole argument is getting on my nerves! There is only so much you can pin on the fact that the cops killed Mark Duggan. I understood the riots, the kick-offs at the heavy handed, I'm sure often racist tactics enforced by the police. But then it stopped being about that and started being about theft and destruction OF THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES.
If your argument is of police racism, then target the police stations, cop cars, whatever if you really feel you want your vengeance in this way. But to try and justify greed and theft and ruining peoples homes and livelihoods because you're oppressed? Fucking spare me. All they're managing to do is turn the majority of the UK against them and I really resent that I am one of them


Sorry if my quality came across as irksome. I wasn't really endorsing the rioters, so much as someone giving voice to what the grievances of the riots really are.

Here in America we're getting the standard BS about thugs and opportunism, without really giving us any sense of what people are pissed off about.

Whew, I'm glad I wasn't in the middle of this one.

Thanks for the sift, @messenger
Information is always good.

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Confucius:
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^chilaxe

If you're american, maybe that happens a lot over there, but i've never seen such a thing happen here.

Wait ...what? "If you're American, maybe that happens over there?" Thanks for the casual insult. Why 'might' it happen over in America as opposed to lets say any other country? Why would you say something that dumb?

Settle, petal. I know a lot of people on the sift are american. Well, and i know what fox news are like.


Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and guess you didnt double-down on your bigotry.e

In any case, I also know what <insert British Analog of Fox News> are like.

I like the part where Brits make fun of Americans always and then this shit happens.

>> ^blankfist:

I like the part where Brits make fun of Americans always and then this shit happens.

To make fun of Americans, one need only point at blankfist and the United Kingdom collectively grasp the punchline

The revolution will not be televised.

BBC Slanders Activist for Daring to Put Riots in Political Context:
...
The corporate media has concentrated on the criminal aspect of the British riots and all but ignored the social and political dimension of the unrest. ...

Fiona Armstrong immediately attempted to slander Howe after he made the connection between the riots in England and civil unrest elsewhere in the world.

It is the job of Armstrong and the corporate media to put the elite’s spin on the violence and property damage. Like the Brixton riots of 1981, the unrest spreading across Britain is a direct result of social and economic problems of the country’s poor and working classes.
...

Police were ordered to stand down as London burned:
...
According to eyewitnesses to the initial riots in Tottenham, police were seen “standing back and allowing rioters to cause havoc,” a trend that continued during subsequent nights before Prime Minister David Cameron ordered 10,000 extra police officers to patrol London last night.

This has now been confirmed by sources within Scotland Yard who said police were ordered to “stand and observe” even as brazen acts of violent crime were committed against both people and private property, a directive which prevented them from arresting any of the troublemakers.
...
The police’s inadequate response quickly led to calls for martial law, curfews and the use of water cannons on streets in England for the first time, a power that Prime Minister David Cameron has now authorized.

Britain’s most widely-read newspaper The Sun ran a poll today which found that two thirds of Brits support the use of rubber bullets to deal with rioters, while 33 per cent supported the use of live bullets.

“Curfews are backed by 82 per cent, using tear gas got 78 per cent support and Tasers 72 per cent,” states the report.

I like the pointless woman at the end who says that the biggest knock-on effect of the riots is the cancellation of a fucking football game. Sports journalism ≠ journalism.

God I can't watch this. That bitch disgusts me.

yeah he's right. the world workforce as a whole is starting to get pissed, and we're talking to one another.

If he were trying to defend honorable resistance, instead of thuggery and anarchy, he might have some high ground. As it is, he has none and they should have cut to a commercial.

Who knew plasma screens and electronics were needed to advance the cause of revolution?http://videosift.com/video/News-Reporter-Confronts-London-Looters

>> ^blankfist:

I like the part where Brits make fun of Americans always and then this shit happens.

I'm actually Italian not American, I just hate bigotry of any kind (especially the smug arrogant kind). If you would have made fun of Canadians or Brazilians I would have stepped in too.

And FYI you're doing a very good job of fitting American stereotypes of the British.

I think the DailyMail put their arrow in the gold on this. These aren't race riots. This is merely the end result of socialism as a matter of public policy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html

The money quote...

"So there we have it: a large, amoral, brutalised sub-culture of young British people who lack education because they have no will to learn, and skills which might make them employable. ... They have no code of values to dissuade them from behaving anti-socially or, indeed, criminally, and small chance of being punished if they do so. They have no sense of responsibility for themselves, far less towards others, and look to no future beyond the next meal, sexual encounter or TV football game.

They are an absolute deadweight upon society, because they contribute little and yet cost the taxpayer billions. Liberal opinion holds they are victims, because society has failed to provide them with opportunities to develop their potential. Most of us would say this is nonsense. Rather, they are victims of a perverted social ethos, which elevates personal freedom to an absolute, and denies the underclass the discipline which alone might enable some of its members to escape from the swamp of dependency in which they live."

Thus, the fruits of liberal left-wing ideology on society. This is socialism's end-product.: fractuous, wasted societies that drift from illusion to nothing with only fits of rage to break the monotony. HG Wells said it well in "The Time Machine". 'We are kept keen on the grindstone of pain and necessity...' Socialism's constant condemnation of the grindstones of discipline, consequence, thrift, respect, and earnestness produce nothing but cretins such as these rioting yobs. With no whetting to smooth men into tools, they remain primitive stones suitable for little but fruitlessly hurling themselves at the windows of the industrious.

>> ^Confucius:

>> ^blankfist:
I like the part where Brits make fun of Americans always and then this shit happens.
I'm actually Italian not American, I just hate bigotry of any kind (especially the smug arrogant kind). If you would have made fun of Canadians or Brazilians I would have stepped in too.
And FYI you're doing a very good job of fitting American stereotypes of the British.


I know those are English words, and I recognize the proper sentence structure, but still I couldn't glean your meaning. Sorry.

Hmmmmm.....so liberalism in America has spawned Teabaggers and right wing republicans? 'Cause those lines would describe their profile and behavior very well.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
I think the DailyMail put their arrow in the gold on this. These aren't race riots. This is merely the end result of socialism as a matter of public policy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html
The money quote...
"So there we have it: a large, amoral, brutalised sub-culture of young British people who lack education because they have no will to learn, and skills which might make them employable. ... They have no code of values to dissuade them from behaving anti-socially or, indeed, criminally, and small chance of being punished if they do so. They have no sense of responsibility for themselves, far less towards others, and look to no future beyond the next meal, sexual encounter or TV football game.
They are an absolute deadweight upon society, because they contribute little and yet cost the taxpayer billions. Liberal opinion holds they are victims, because society has failed to provide them with opportunities to develop their potential. Most of us would say this is nonsense. Rather, they are victims of a perverted social ethos, which elevates personal freedom to an absolute, and denies the underclass the discipline which alone might enable some of its members to escape from the swamp of dependency in which they live."
Thus, the fruits of liberal left-wing ideology on society. This is socialism's end-product.: fractuous, wasted societies that drift from illusion to nothing with only fits of rage to break the monotony. HG Wells said it well in "The Time Machine". 'We are kept keen on the grindstone of pain and necessity...' Socialism's constant condemnation of the grindstones of discipline, consequence, thrift, respect, and earnestness produce nothing but cretins such as these rioting yobs. With no whetting to smooth men into tools, they remain primitive stones suitable for little but fruitlessly hurling themselves at the windows of the industrious.

Hmmmmm.....so liberalism in America has spawned Teabaggers and right wing republicans? 'Cause those lines would describe their profile and behavior very well.

Quite to the contrary. The Tea Party is certainly not shy about its objectives - but they are not violent. That particular dubious honor is held by liberals or the various stooges of liberal groups.

Let us bury this myth about Tea Parties being some sort of radical fringe group. They are not. The Tea Party and Tea Party sympathizers are the mainstream of the United States.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/tea-partiers-fairly-mainstream-demographics.aspx

However - there is one thing that the Tea Party is conspicuously NOT - and that is a bunch of violent liberals. The Tea Party is generally comprised of educated, working citizens who are sick of the government's impossible fiscal policies. By definition that means they trend away from the Democrats and liberalism.

However - that does not in any way mean they are anything like these rioting yobs who are disgruntled largely over nothing, and who use violence as a means of alleviating their ennui.

The Canadians here and anyone else paying attention to the G20 riot in Toronto last year shudder at this. Deja vu all over again. Saturday, the cops let the "black bloc" (white kids trashing storefronts) do their thing.

Sunday, the cops responded with the savage beatings/kettling actions.

Seeing it once looks like an awful mistake. Seeing it a second time... troubling.

>> ^marbles:

Police were ordered to stand down as London burned:
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According to eyewitnesses to the initial riots in Tottenham, police were seen “standing back and allowing rioters to cause havoc,” a trend that continued during subsequent nights before Prime Minister David Cameron ordered 10,000 extra police officers to patrol London last night.
This has now been confirmed by sources within Scotland Yard who said police were ordered to “stand and observe” even as brazen acts of violent crime were committed against both people and private property, a directive which prevented them from arresting any of the troublemakers.
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The police’s inadequate response quickly led to calls for martial law, curfews and the use of water cannons on streets in England for the first time, a power that Prime Minister David Cameron has now authorized.
Britain’s most widely-read newspaper The Sun ran a poll today which found that two thirds of Brits support the use of rubber bullets to deal with rioters, while 33 per cent supported the use of live bullets.
“Curfews are backed by 82 per cent, using tear gas got 78 per cent support and Tasers 72 per cent,” states the report.