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17 Comments
Sagemindsays...I've been saying this for years.
Men have some real issues that hold them down.
But that doesn't mean we can't also acknowledge the issues that woman face at the same time.
siftbotsays...Boosting this quality contribution up in the Hot Listing - declared quality by Sagemind.
ChaosEnginesays...You could argue that the issues that hold men down are generally caused by the same issues feminists are fighting for.
One of the biggest issues affecting men is suicide, especially in younger males. And one of the primary drivers of this is "macho" culture; the idea that it's not "manly" to ask for emotional help.
The other issue I hear about is fathers rights (a court will almost always side with a mother in a custody dispute). Again, this is caused by the idea that the woman should be looking after the children.
The irony is that the fundamental difference between men's issues and women's issues is actually the fundamental similarity: both are caused by societal structures that dictate the role of men and women.
The difference is that historically (and let's be honest, even today), men hold the power and make the rules.
I've been saying this for years.
Men have some real issues that hold them down.
But that doesn't mean we can't also acknowledge the issues that woman face at the same time.
00Scud00says...At around 7:40 where she talks about suicide rates among men vs. attempted suicide rates among women I would say she totally nailed a problem I've always had with these issues. Why do people feel the need to treat this like a contest?
siftbotsays...Tags for this video have been changed from 'TED Talk, Mens Rights, Feminist' to 'TED Talk, Mens Rights, Feminist, Cassie Jaye, The Red Pill' - edited by Fantomas
CrushBugsays...A good video and assessment by her. But it also seems like she talked to the actual level-headed leaders.
The problem is, there are also many folks that claim the MRM banner in order to use it against women, like most extremists tend to do.
Jinxsays...Couldn't agree more.
I'm not sure if feminism and men's rights are quite the same thing though. Personally I feel that both movements should be for the betterment of society, for both men and women, but I think it is perhaps unavoidable that feminism has a focus on the issues women face. If men have their own banner to rally behind how do we avoid this boy vs girl playground bullshit that it tends to devolve to. Should we all not have a foot in each camp, men fighting for women's issues and women for men's. Would we call this feminism or something else?
You could argue that the issues that hold men down are generally caused by the same issues feminists are fighting for.
One of the biggest issues affecting men is suicide, especially in younger males. And one of the primary drivers of this is "macho" culture; the idea that it's not "manly" to ask for emotional help.
The other issue I hear about is fathers rights (a court will almost always side with a mother in a custody dispute). Again, this is caused by the idea that the woman should be looking after the children.
The irony is that the fundamental difference between men's issues and women's issues is actually the fundamental similarity: both are caused by societal structures that dictate the role of men and women.
The difference is that historically (and let's be honest, even today), men hold the power and make the rules.
newtboysays...That's something else....gender equality.
True feminists will never fight to end an inequality they benefit from, neither will a mascilinist.
Those wishing to support gender equality should avoid supporting either sexist movement.
Couldn't agree more.
I'm not sure if feminism and men's rights are quite the same thing though. Personally I feel that both movements should be for the betterment of society, for both men and women, but I think it is perhaps unavoidable that feminism has a focus on the issues women face. If men have their own banner to rally behind how do we avoid this boy vs girl playground bullshit that it tends to devolve to. Should we all not have a foot in each camp, men fighting for women's issues and women for men's. Would we call this feminism or something else?
bcglorfsays...This.
You don't get gender equality by pitting feminists against MLM, you get people to leave both sides and work towards equality.
You don't get race equality by pitting the KKK against BLM, you get people to leave both sides and work towards equality.
You don't get religious equality by pitting Christianity versus Islam, you get people to advocate for equality.
The trouble is, there are so many people with the deep seated knowledge of how RIGHT they are and how WRONG their enemies are.
That's something else....gender equality.
True feminists will never fight to end an inequality they benefit from, neither will a mascilinist.
Those wishing to support gender equality should avoid supporting either sexist movement.
Jinxsays...So I'm not a true feminist? I mean, I confess I wasn't born in Scotland but...
Semantics. I've argued them before.
I guess yes, feminism is as sexist as, say, affirmative action is racist. Making allowances for a disability, is, I suppose, a sort of discrimination too.
Anyway. What we call ourselves on the internet probably doesn't matter very much.
That's something else....gender equality.
True feminists will never fight to end an inequality they benefit from, neither will a mascilinist.
Those wishing to support gender equality should avoid supporting either sexist movement.
newtboysays...If you would ever advocate for a man's rights or against a woman's privilege, no, you would fail the feminist purity test, imo.
Absolutely, the label we use is less important than the actions we perform, but it's not meaningless.
Feminism is exactly as sexist as masculinism....but point taken.
Please note that affirmative action absolutely is racist, though. It divides people into races then treats the different races differently...the very definition of racism. I don't see how denying that fact accomplishes anything, it just sets up a future problem that mirrors the one you're working to solve. Ignoring that means you likely won't stop the pendulum swing at the center and we'll be right back where we started eventually.
So I'm not a true feminist? I mean, I confess I wasn't born in Scotland but...
Semantics. I've argued them before.
I guess yes, feminism is as sexist as, say, affirmative action is racist. Making allowances for a disability, is, I suppose, a sort of discrimination too.
Anyway. What we call ourselves on the internet probably doesn't matter very much.
Imagoaminsays...This woman billing herself as the "feminist that gave MRAs a fair shake" is disingenuous. Her "Red Pill" documentary was funded by some of the most vile MRAs like Paul Elam and Mike Cernovich, she portrayed them sullen figures put upon by everyone while completely ignoring things like outright advocating rape / violence against women, and immediately adopted their talking points at the end and since the documentary.
"Feminist converted by MRAs" was a marketing shtick.
Hiddekelsays...Men and women both suffer injustices based on gender, but women overwhelmingly suffer more. Men shouldn't be ignored, but the rights of women need to be equalised before the focus can be shifted to both.
bcglorfsays...First question, which country are you from? From what I'm familiar with , Canada and the US both have ALL the same legal rights for men and women. I suppose abortion rights in some states might be the one exception depending on your leanings. Could you share any other rights that need to be extended to women that have yet to be 'equalized' yet?
Men and women both suffer injustices based on gender, but women overwhelmingly suffer more. Men shouldn't be ignored, but the rights of women need to be equalised before the focus can be shifted to both.
Hiddekelsays...In America poor people have all the same legal rights as rich people (lightning fast response)
First question, which country are you from? From what I'm familiar with , Canada and the US both have ALL the same legal rights for men and women. I suppose abortion rights in some states might be the one exception depending on your leanings. Could you share any other rights that need to be extended to women that have yet to be 'equalized' yet?
bcglorfsays...You see, you also said:
the rights of women need to be equalised
In English that means that women do NOT have the same legal rights as men. Is that the case or not?
In America poor people have all the same legal rights as rich people (lightning fast response)
Hiddekelsays......I think I understand now
You see, you also said:
the rights of women need to be equalised
In English that means that women do NOT have the same legal rights as men. Is that the case or not?
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