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you're telling me that is GUNFIRE? that is from the gatling gun on this beast? oh my god they are going to put an eye out with that crap

I wonder if that effectively vaporizes a large part of the body. Instant vaporization would be a great way to go. You didn't think the conscious should be shut down gradually did you?

Pop the green smoke Identify friendlies, and contacted the ACT, tell them to check their fire. Where the hell is the FO (Forward Officer)?

Should never ever be standing up when those flying tanks are rolling in for an Danger Close air strike.

By the looks of the video I don't think they needed the strike, danger close means you are about to be overrun.

There are impacts before you hear the GAU firing...

>> ^NordlichReiter:
Pop the green smoke


The only smoke i'd be popping is brown.

^ fuckin lawl.

Anywho, CAS or Close Air Support is designed to fire at ranges designated "danger close" which pretty much means right in front of the troops. However, Nordlich is right in that there doesn't appear to be any need for it.

There are impacts before you hear the GAU firing...

Thats the supersonic muzzle velocity of those Du(spent uranium) rounds. If you can hear the bullets they weren't firing at you.

I knew that, but its still unbelievably scary.

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They were luckier than Mark Anthony Graham, Canadian:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/09/04/afghanfriendly.html

>> ^dmac:
There are impacts before you hear the GAU firing...
Thats the supersonic muzzle velocity of those Du(spent uranium) rounds. If you can hear the bullets they weren't firing at you.


Ummm.... I've never seen / heard of a "gun" that does not fire supersonic rounds. All cartridge/bullet type rounds fire at super sonic speeds. So yeah.... So if your far enough, you'll see impact before you hear sound.

Although DU rounds are extremely fast and have a LOOOOOONG range, that thunderbolt could have been firing a .223 and you could get the same effect.

Ok.... on this video. The A10 Tunderbolt, commonly known as a "warthog" or "tank buster" is an American aircraft. I'm not sure as to the exact circumstances of what happend, but this attack was definite friendly fire from US to British troops. This incident resulted in the death of a British Lance-Corporal Matthew Richard "Matty" Hull. Read about it as here.

Looks like the US just can't keep itself from mistakingly attacking British forces. When the conflict first kicked off, US PATRIOT accidentally shot down 2 British Tornados. This was in part due to crew inexperience in the PATRIOT system, as well as gross errors of the pilot. I know because The Warrant Officer I work with was in the PATRIOT unit that shot these planes down when it happened. If you guys are curious, I can explain it more, but not here.

When the big gun is fired, the pilot comes in his flight suit, male or female I heard...
http://www.videosift.com/video/30-mm-mini-gun-A-10-Warthog-Test-Fire

Arsenault, there seems to be some confusion over where this was filmed. The incident you mentioned took place in Iraq, whereas the liveleak video states it was filmed in Afghanistan.

Personally I'm inclined to believe it was in Afghanistan, since we don't see an armored column and the British soldiers seem to be expecting it (but not quite so close) rather then confused.

Obviously there is a large room for error, but it almost seems like this took place in Iraq. I say this for 2 reasons: 1. Afghanistan is mountainous while Iraq is flat, and I don't see any mountains (of course it all depends on where you are) and 2. There is not nearly as much shit going down in Afghanistan as there is in Iraq. (again, it all depends.)

Another reason I suspect this is Iraq, is because this is not a common occurrence. What would the chances be that on two separate occasions, in two separate countries, a US A10 was called in for CAS and nearly shredded a *British unit?

Adding video to channels (British) - requested by arsenault185.

Ok, its been confirmed. VideoSift users are smarter than LiveLeak's. Here it is.

This incident definatley took place in Iraq, in Basra. According to the BBC the pilot of the A10 even came around for a second attack run. Lance-Corporal Matthew Richard "Matty" Hull was in the turret of his tank when it was hit, and the ammunition storage chamber burst into flames and the ammo went off, as well as the diesel fuel. The pilot of the A10 had over 25 years experience flying for the air force. How he didn't see the Union Jack painted on the tank through his optics, I don't know, but apparently, the forward observer attached to British forces told the pilots that there were no friendlies in the area. So once again, it looks as though fault lies on both side.

Digging through related BBC reports, I have found that the only other A10 attack was in Iraq back in '91. So this was definitely NOT Afghanistan.

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>> ^arsenault185:
>> ^dmac:
There are impacts before you hear the GAU firing...
Thats the supersonic muzzle velocity of those Du(spent uranium) rounds. If you can hear the bullets they weren't firing at you.

Ummm.... I've never seen / heard of a "gun" that does not fire supersonic rounds. All cartridge/bullet type rounds fire at super sonic speeds. So yeah.... So if your far enough, you'll see impact before you hear sound.
Although DU rounds are extremely fast and have a LOOOOOONG range, that thunderbolt could have been firing a .223 and you could get the same effect.


Any hunter knows there are plenty of subsonic munitions to be used for hunting with a muzzle velocity less then 300 meters a second, it avoids the loud cracking noise when you fire that scares your target away.

As for the gau-8, its Du only, and this time around they have dumped an order of magnitude more uranium in Iraq then the first run to Baghdad.

As for the .223 -
http://store.tacticaledgeproducts.com/223-127fasp20.html

^ok Me=stupid about the rounds. However, i am not sure as to what you are trying to say about the DU. I am also pretty sure that the weapon fires more than just DU rounds. I used to be on a Bradley and our main weapon was a 25mm. We had several different type of "warheads" from HE to DU to training. the weapon will fire whatever is on the end of the casing. It doesn't care.

Anyways, I did not know subsonic munitions were out there, and for that I apologize on being retarded, but that doesn't change the fact that the DU warhead really has nothing to do with the fact you can see it before you hear it. Thats just simple physics.

The GAU-8 Avenger on the A-10 Warthog is meant as a Anti-Tank weapon thus it is loaded with a combat mix munitions composed of Armor Piercing Incendiary (DU) and High Explosive Incendiary rounds.

"The GAU-8 Avenger fires a mix of both high explosive incendiary (HEI) and armored piercing incendiary (API) ammunition. A typical combat load for the GAU-8 would include 1,100 rounds of 30mm high explosive or armor piercing ammunition. The 30mm API is mixed with 30mm High Explosive Incendiary (HEI) at the factory and is called Combat Mix Ammunition. The ratio of API to HEI rounds in the Combat Mix is 4:1. Combat mix is a sequential mixture of DU and HEI rounds in which 1 HEI round followed by 4 DU rounds are fired by the AN/GAU-8 gatling gun. DU is the primary munition for the A/OA-10 in a combat environment."
FAS Article on the GAU-8 Avenger.

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^ I understand that they can be changed, and as far as changing mid-air goes, well I don't know for sure about the GAU-8, but my 25mm system was is also belt fed, and has 2 separate round boxes, so that the gunner can punch up whichever ammunition he wants.

>> ^arsenault185:
>>So if your far enough, you'll see impact before you hear sound.


I'm not 100% sure that makes sense. You were referring to the "If you can hear them, they weren't aimed at you" comment. If the bullet travels faster than sound; at any distance, you will be hit by them before you hear them.

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On the ground there is no need to consider the weight added to munition switching mechanization.

However for fixed wing aircraft there is considerable weight, spacing and redundancy fail safe considerations, it would add little functionality while adding more weight to a very heavy aircraft already.

Don't breathe that stuff. Atomized uranium will make you cough. The sound of that gun, that howl or roar, I don't know how to describe it, really frightened me. I can't imagine what it would be like to oppose that weapon.

@Danny - the whole "if you can hear them" thing confuses me, so I wasn't talking about that. I was just saying that if you can hear them, and you are far enough away from the weapon, then yeah your going to see the rounds impact before you hear them. Same thing applies to thunder and lightning.

@Farhad - The ammo switching mechanism adds hardly any weight, just a couple pounds maybe. The weapon system I am referring to uses 2 smaller ammo bins and two feed chutes rather than one large bin and one feed chute... so really the only thing your adding is the aluminum feed chute which weight practically nothing. 2 round selection, same weapon, so the same fail safes. Room is really the only issue you would have, as that aircraft is more than powerful enough to handle a few pounds extra weight. Being able to choose between HE and DU actually adds a significant amount of functionality in the benefit's of what the rounds were designed for. HE is great against troops and wheeled vehicles, while DU is great against armored vehicles. HE is practically worthless against an armored target, while DU is very inefficient against troops and light vehicles.

My mistake

These incidents involving American troops are far too common for the fault to be evenly split down the middle in all cases.

During the first Gulf War I saw some footage of a spotter calling in an air strike on what was obviously (even through the camera) a Bradley and not a BMP (as the spotter called it). Plane came down and killed 9 American soldiers in about a quarter of a second, pilot (over the radio), "I believe that was a friendly, over." Spotter (to camera crew), "Damn I was afraid of that".

3/4ths of American combat casualties in the first Gulf War were from friendly fire.

I visited with the 17/21st Lancers in England not long after Gulf war I, some of the Scorpion crews told us a story about how when their Colonel met up with his American counterpart in the neighbouring regiment the US Colonel looked at the Scorpion and said, "What the hell kind of Bradley is that?"

In the 2nd Gulf war the British forces refused to serve alongside American troops, which is why they had their own separate domain (Basra and surrounding area).

In my experience working with US soldiers they are barely literate, under educated, lazy and incompetent. I have no doubt that most or all of the blame in most of these cases lies with the American troops because of an overreaction to the pathetic hit ratio of ground forces in Vietnam (1 confirmed hit per million rounds expended for small arms). Now troops are trained to shoot before they think and this is the consequence.

Wow, that sound that finally arrives after the bullets hit is other-worldly like a groan from a giant mythical beast.

America! Fuck YEAH!!

Let's put things in perspective.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/GAU-8_avenger.jpg

Drachen, I'm inclined to take offense, and I'm sure MarineGunRock will be as well.

Ive been in the service for 5 years now, and sure there are a couple soldiers here and there who are on the slow side, but to say we're barely literate and lazy? Thats just bad form. A good deal many of us soldiers have college degrees. In fact, a lot more than you would think. Thats a pretty broad generalization, and an insulting one at that.

On top of that, your talking about lazy, uneducated, barely literate troops, and you reference air to ground blue on blue. In order to fly you have to be an officer with college. Get your facts straight.

"What at hell kind of Bradley is that?" Man, oh man. That could have been meant is 20 different ways. As far as you, this particular Colonel might have never worked with armor, and was a doctor, or a layer. You don't know. Maybe a chaplain? Just because one man is uninformed as to foreign armored vehicles doesn't mean shit. Maybe he was briefed that he would be looking at the UK counterpart to the Bradley and he meant it in jest, as it resembles a Bradley, but much smaller.

The utter absurdity of your comment has my mind spinning in circles. BLECH

And A185 - if there was a secondary feed chute on the GAU I doubt it would be aluminum. Rounds travel a LOT faster into that weapon system than into your 25mm gun. Higher speed + friction = more heat.

^very true, again, But even if it were made of a heavier material, the powerful engines on the A10 could probable handle it. I'm not outright saying they should do this, or that its even possible.. In fact, I'm kind of confused as to where that notion came from.

>> ^deathcow:
you're telling me that is GUNFIRE? that is from the gatling gun on this beast? oh my god they are going to put an eye out with that crap
I wonder if that effectively vaporizes a large part of the body. Instant vaporization would be a great way to go. You didn't think the conscious should be shut down gradually did you?


As the gun is designed to shread Armor, that is -tanks-, it would have to be somewhat overmatched for anti-personnel duty. Which is what the cluster muntions are for. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

That's not a gun. It's a Strider!

The A-10: America's Answer to the Stuka.

"As far as you, this particular Colonel might have never worked with armor"

Actually he was an Armored Colonel. Since when do Chaplains, Lawyers or Doctors command assaulting regiments? You're really overreaching here.

"Maybe he was briefed that he would be looking at the UK counterpart to the Bradley"

Maybe, if so the people who briefed him were idiots. The Scorpion is a light tank and plays a completely different role. In any case I didn't know a single soldier in my time with the armored who couldn't identify 99% of the armored vehicles in service from front or side silhouettes or from a picture ESPECIALLY not ones so common as a Scorpion and a Bradley. The zipperheads drilled on that stuff all the time.

When I was in Basic Training we had a US Marine who'd served for 5 years in the US forces in my platoon. He was a dual Canadian/US citizen and after working with the Canadian forces on an exercise he saw the difference in calibre and enrolled in the Canadian forces. He said that Canadian basic training was tougher than anything he'd gone through as a marine.

EVERY enlisted member goes through that training.

Really if you've never worked extensively with other forces what position are you in to compare?

In front of CFB Shilo there is an M109 which was LOST by American forces on exercise. For those who don't know an M109 is mobile artillery, it looks like a tank only taller. After a US exercise on a Canadian base it's common to find teepees made of M16s that have been left behind. These are not things competent soldiers do.

^ [Edit] never mind, I don't want to even dignify that crock of shit spewing from the interwebz.

Well you can ignore it but that doesn't make it any less true. Look at the "Winter Soldier" testimony for further evidence of incompetence, I'm not making this shit up.

^
upon careful persual of all comments above, i don't find that a185's ignoring any verifiable facts, drachen.

only the horseshit highly-subjective generalizations you've chosen to draw from them.

that is the baddest assest weapon i ever seen

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