That's just wrong and funny at the same time.

Racist posts like this are why people can rightly call you a racist. No more whinging and whining about it.

*wtf

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Yeah---unequivocally you are a fucking racist. DONT KID YOURSELF you are a fucking racist @bobknight33

No, it's just wrong - the job applications are online only, and if you actually watch what they're stealing, it's almost entirely food.

And actually, most of them don't steal anything, they're there to vandalize, not for theft.

@bobknight33 is just channeling some of the same racist voices that commented on the youtube video,

Some highlights:

Richard Lionheart
4 days ago
The only thing they didn’t rob was the birth control section

Wes _Kada
4 days ago
They only thing those kids didn’t take was a job application.

Joe Dirt
2 days ago
Line them up and shoot them. Just going to grow up and be bigger criminals. At least spay and neuter them like the animals they are. No respect for other people's property. Looks like the whole neighborhood should be nuked to stop the gene pool.

@bobknight33
@BSR
@newtboy

It's not hard to find diversity among the "mob theft" crowd.

Yes. None of us are innocent.

I'm not saying we're all guilty of something, or that everyone is to blame. But Bob's "joke" isn't really a joke, it's not calling out the morality of anything these people are doing, it's just two back to back stereotype slurs.


Have you ever seen a thief take a job application? Take a greeting card?

Those things have nothing to do with what's happening here, it's just an attempt to reenforce racial bias under the guise of being a joke.

Well... no, it's funny also. If a black comedian like Kevin Hart said the same thing it would be funny. It's a stereotype that needs to be mocked. If only black people are allowed to mock black stereotypes, isn't that racist also.

As far as stealing food goes, if you are making the case that food is being taken to fight hunger, and compassion is in order, I don't think that's the case here. Its being taken just the same anything else is, regardless. A grabber is no different than a vandal in this scenario. You break it or steal it, you buy it.

Black or white, this is just mob mentality and anyone who participates knows what the consequences are. If any. If nothing else, the store has learned something hopefully.

As far as what @bobknight posted, he did push the "jokingly says" button so I can choose to believe he mocks the very stereotype that was posted. And I did say it was wrong too.

I don't think he's mocking the stereotype, he's spreading it under the guise of humor. If Hart did that for a laugh, you can be certain he would then call out white people in the front row for laughing.
Joking about your own groups foibles is a form of owning up to them, joking about another's group's perceived foibles is denigration.

I'm not that cynical. It's best I trust he was joking.

Edit: He would call out the people in the front row and that would be just as funny for the same reason.

While I in no way deny being a cynic, in this case it's not cynicism, it's experience.
*redacted cattiness*

He was joking, yes, but racist jokes are still racist....it's part of the term.
Btw, I call out non whites for racism too, but usually not with the same vitriol.

Moving this video to bobknight33's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.

The point of me quoting the youtube commenters was to illustrate that THOSE are the lines that the racist people on youtube are using with sincerity and being repeated here.

Here's some others - see them on the youtube link yourself

"These kids need fathers"
"Surprisingly, school supplies, birth control, and Father’s Day gifts remained untouched and in full supply!"
"Bunch of hoodlums without fathers in the home."
"Took everything but the Fathers Day cards"
"Took everything except job applications"
"If Obama had sons, nieces and nephews"

It's not a joke, it's an echo of the racism. Yes, what these kids did is criminal. Yes all of them should face real legal consequences. No, not because black people don't like working (taking job applications). No, not because single parent homes are a real problem in this country (father comment).

Yes. I get it.

I don't need to see no stinkin' quotes. I'm 64. I've heard it all for years. Nothing new here except the players.

Are you trying to win any of them over or are you just entangled in the fighting back and forth and name calling? Who do you think you are going to change by telling them they are racist? That makes you stuck in the echo chamber with no way to win the game.

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And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
We call it "Riding The Gravy Train".

Nothing you can say, but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy

This isn't a huge site by any means. I like the small community we have. I don't have to be doing either of those things you suggested.

I'm just calling someone out for what he is so I have a clear conscience.

How was your conscience just before that?

I needed to say something.

File that under the "Thoughts and Prayers" column. It does nothing.

Try this sometime. While you are riding around in your car and happen to see a black homeless person, pick one that's not holding out a cup. Someone that's not expecting it and give him or her $20 bucks and drive away. It will fill your heart and theirs. Watch their face in your rearview mirror. You will feel like you saved the world and you never spoke a word.

@BSR

I already donate regularly to my local children's hospital, give any spare change I have to people you describe, and work at an inner city school where I keep boxes of cereal (it's cheap and vitamin packed and the kids like it) because my students come up to me on a somewhat regular basis hungry.

But as an individual, it's easy to act alone. To combat what one considers bad-public-policy, one must join the conversation.

What are you really asking me to do here? Someone posts some racist memes and I'm to keep my mouth shut because it won't do anything. I do not agree.

I can act alone, but to change policy it starts by having conversations about perceived ills in society. Forgive me but keep your stoic silence to yourself and I'll keep talking if the spirit moves me.

Congratulations Jigga!

Level up for you! I never knew that about you. If you've mentioned it in the past, I missed it. You should speak about that more often. It gives more answers about how to not be a racist rather than convincing someone they are.

I'm glad were joined in the conversation together.

I'm not asking you to keep your mouth shut. I'm saying you're not being heard. Racism is symptom of a much deeper problem. If you don't get to the root you will always be pulling weeds.

Yes, you can act alone.


All alone, or in two's
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands
The bleeding hearts and the artists
Make their stand
And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall

Isn't this where -Pink Floyd

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There is magic at your fingers
For the spirit ever lingers -Rush

Speaking up does not do nothing.

Sometimes reasonable people make mistakes, and when shown the error of their ways, they change.

This is not the case here. Here, a race baiting video is posted by someone with a clear history of racist posts, thoughts, language, and who gives other racists his full support. That must be denounced strongly or others who are like minded or just ignorant might feel emboldened to repeat the racism....as Bob did, repeating the racist comments from YouTube, thinking the sarcasm button shields him from repercussions.

What does nothing is remaining silent or worse, defending the thinly veiled racism. Both of those actions, like ignoring measles or kudzu, allows it to spread and gain traction elsewhere until it's intractable. Nip it in the bud every single time is the only method that helps.


Btw, imo it's a better plan to find that homeless person and buy them a meal, or socks. Take them in a store (or restaurant if they're presentable enough to not bother other patrons), let them buy what they want or need, and pay for it. Yes, you have to interact with them longer and not just drop a bill to feel good about yourself, but the results are much better, and your gift won't be stolen by others or used for drugs. Those just looking for drug money will usually refuse the offer in my experience.

1) Everyone makes mistakes. When the error of their ways is exposed they may change or they may put a gun to their head. Only they can judge themselves.

2) Keep denouncing as long as you can. You will need to know how strong you were.

3) Nipping it in the bud every single time will be a waste of time. When the house is on fire and people are jumping, you need to be there to catch them just as they will be there to catch you.

4) No need to judge. Give as little or as much as you like without terms or conditions. They know better than you what they need.

1) I'm not opposed to suicide. If life makes you unhappy, I don't insist you suffer through it. People who judge themselves unworthy of life fall into that category.

2) I've been at it for 45 years+-. It has nothing to do with strength, it's about a compulsion to work towards fairness, knowing it won't ever be reached, at least in my lifetime. I'm strong enough to never condone or excuse clear racism as long as I draw breath.

3) ? You would catch the arsonists before the home owner and their children and not lay blame at their feet. I would let the arsonist burn, locking them inside the house they ignited after saving the family. He's the one with the gas can and lighter if you can't identify who is who.
Calling out wholly inappropriate behavior/speech is never a waste of time. Gaining the trust of racists at the expense of their victims and society as a whole is worse than a waste of time, it's supporting racism.

4) My point. Let them get it, while not allowing your gift to be stolen or misused for harm or other things they get judged harshly for. No judgement, no opportunity for misuse, not just throwing money at a problem, helping a person.

What would you do if it was a bolt of lightning that was the cause?

We Didn’t Start the Fire -Billy Joel

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

It's not about throwing money at a problem. It's about giving someone trust, inspiration and recognition.

Catch everyone who doesn't have a gas can and lighter in their hands. Anyone dumb enough to unambiguously look like an arsonist in a burning building gets a Darwin award posthumously.

Then why ignore the one asking for help to give to one who just looks like they need help? That's not trust, it's judgement. Maybe they're just dirty, not homeless or needy.

Edit: My point is most people don't help homeless or needy people because they think there's a good chance they're going to use the money for something they don't support or that they're not really needy (some panhandlers in SF have reportedly pulled six figure incomes, I knew of one at Stanford that drove to work panhandling in a nice Mercedes.) If you can take the time to buy them a meal of their choosing or what they need in a store, you have control and helped more...on top of treating them like a human being, not a problem or eyesore. Those wanting cash, not help, will refuse.
Yes, I understand it's asking more of people.

If they have their cup out they probably already have something in it. If I don't see someone more downtrodden, it goes in the cup.

Are you asking me to send you a check?

BTW, I only give the idea as an example. You know, baby steps.

Two assumptions you've made there.

Asking? No....but if you're offering, I won't say no. I would prefer a nice meal, though....and some thick socks.

@newtboy
@BSR

Think of it a bit like this (quote from Wilde)

"...surrounded by hideous poverty, by hideous ugliness, by hideous starvation. It is inevitable that they should be strongly moved by all this. The emotions of man are stirred more quickly than man’s intelligence; and, as I pointed out some time ago in an article on the function of criticism, it is much more easy to have sympathy with suffering than it is to have sympathy with thought. Accordingly, with admirable, though misdirected intentions, they very seriously and very sentimentally set themselves to the task of remedying the evils that they see. But their remedies do not p. 3cure the disease: they merely prolong it. Indeed, their remedies are part of the disease.

They try to solve the problem of poverty, for instance, by keeping the poor alive; or, in the case of a very advanced school, by amusing the poor.

But this is not a solution: it is an aggravation of the difficulty. The proper aim is to try and reconstruct society on such a basis that poverty will be impossible. And the altruistic virtues have really prevented the carrying out of this aim. Just as the worst slave-owners were those who were kind to their slaves, and so prevented the horror of the system being realized by those who suffered from it, and understood by those who contemplated it"
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And allow me to pop this out:
"the worst slave-owners were those who were kind to their slaves"
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This is a stark/bleak example. I don't personally agree with it entirely. As I said, I bring cereal for my students and it's there and free and available unless I don't have time to get to the store or unless I myself am out of pocket change to buy extra food.


I don't ENTIRELY disagree though ----> Which is not to say that I agree.

I would say, YES there are structural changes that need to take place, but I also believe that assistance needs to be there to handle some kind of transition period while a problem is realized.

ALL of that being said

Here is a perfect example of a societal ill in our current system that needs to be addressed. It's a disgusting by-product of a structurally unsound student loan system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db9NaPDtAmU


Source: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1017/1017-h/1017-h.htm