blankfist says...

I just built my first Droid app. Easy as pie, too. It's a shitty one screen app with the words 'Fuck Apple' I through together, but it works! It took me two days to figure out how to jailbreak the iPhone and then how to copy 3rd party apps to it. The Droid? It took me a couple hours at most to get all the SDKs working.

Viva Droid!

KnivesOut says...

Thats awesome. I did iPhone programming for a year when the SDK first came out, and really didn't care for it. Objective C is a nasty-ass language.

Java is sweet like candy.

blankfist says...

Yeah, I don't care to stray too far from my comfort zone, so if it's NOT ecma I don't bother. I looked over the iPhone SDK a couple years back, but laziness got the better of me and I quickly deleted it.

kronosposeidon says...

Not to rain on your Apple hate-fest, but couldn't HTML5 possibly spell the end for Flash on the web? I think that Steve Jobs is as big of a egomaniacal dickface as the next guy does, but isn't there a reasonable chance that he's right? If Flash went the way of the dodo on the web, that would severely weaken Flash in general, wouldn't it? And developing on a weakened platform would be a gamble of sorts, right?

I don't claim to be any kind of expert. That's why I framed my response in the form of questions. That, and I also watch Jeopardy a lot.

gwiz665 says...

@kronosposeidon I only think HTML5 can end flash for video. HTML5, as far as I know, is not nearly as robust for games and more complex things as flash is now.

@KnivesOut and @blankfist iPhone programming can be done in C++ with some small objective-c wrappers - which makes it WAY easier.

That said, cutting of compiling from flash to iphone is a complete dick move by Apple, not at all unexpected. I suspect, I'll avoid the iphone4 I was considering getting and get some droid instead.

dag says...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

What part of "magic and revolutionary" don't you understand Blankfist?

Steve Jobs is by all accounts a real asshole. I still like the products. Not because it's cool, trendy or makes me feel superior. I like it because it works best for me. I agree with @kronosposeidon that HTML5 and other open technologies will eventually supplant the stopgap that is Flash.

Google is pushing it themselves with their recent in browser game project for Chrome. They give faint praise to Adobe and talk about Flash collaboration, but I don't think there is love in the heart of the Google hacker for proprietary Flash. I do realize that the compiled .SWF format is kind of open- but the .FLA most definitely is not - am I right? I know there are some 3rd party tools that can compile SWF like Swift3D, but Adobe has a stranglehold on a "complete" authoring tool for Flash- and intends to keep it. Open indeed.

And just because I'm feeling cantankerous - I'll let Trip Hawkins put some icing on this cake - in a post aimed at professional developers who would actually like to make some money off their creations.

budzos says...

I share your rage about Apple deciding that only CoCo developed apps will be allowed through the app store.

But I don't sympathize with the autograph seeker in the video. You're not entitled to labour or use of time from one the busiest and most public CEOs on the planet. I look askance at all autograph seekers, but these ones who act like massively rich and industrious people are obligated to give you their signature with every random encounter are just fucking assclowns.

Payback says...

I didn't take him to be an asshole in that vid, more of a douchebag who thought he was being funny. We already knew he was a douche bag. A surprising video would have been him giving the autograph and then talking to the guy as if he were human.

blankfist says...

@kronosposeidon, only time will tell whether html5 will replace Flash. The plus for html5 is it's open source which allows for a huge amount of people to contribute to the development of the actual platform, unlike Adobe. However Flash has been around for a long time and continues to innovate. It's hard to say at the moment.

@dag, au contrair, mon ami. You don't have to pay a penny to download FlashDevelop or Eclipse and add the Flex SDK. That's about as open source as it gets. And Flash introduced a new XML based .XFL file, which is a folder structure with assets and text documents. You may need Flash CS5 to compile it still; that I don't know. But, it appears to allow for open source editing of the files.

One thing no one has mentioned is how integrated the Adobe products are, so you can go between things like After Effects and Flash. You can import layered PSDs to each. You can't do any of that with html 5. I think most people who don't use Flash see it only as a web platform, but it's always been more.

@budzos, I agree with you. You shouldn't feel obligated to give an autograph to anyone. However, this was the grand opening of the Apple Store on 5th Avenue, which implies that Jobs is there for PR. Whether signing autographs for fans is healthy for PR or not is up to debate.

blankfist says...

>> ^dag:

As dear leader would say ... oh, and one more thing.


The guy in the article wants Flash to make his mobile phone as fast as his desktop. He's delusional. When HTML 5 can do sites like this that play on both your browser and your iPhone, then he can make his beef.

spoco2 says...

Don't even START about fricken HTML5. That way lies the path to fricken fifteen million bloody different version of your code with a gazillion case statements to handle all the damn different ways each browser implements HTML. I had to go back and do some html coding recently and fricken HATED it... give me FLEX any day, ONE runtime on pretty much any environment as long as it's not Apple fricken mobile platform.

If HTML5 ever gets a way to run in a virtual machine or another way to remove the inconsistent rendering of content for each and every browser, then I might be on board, but until then... Flex me now, and Flex me hard.

Farhad2000 says...

HTML5 can do what Flash did about 10 years ago. The standard is catching up but the implementation is all over as each browser is falling over each other to implement shit faster.

Adobe already demonstrated a Flash to HTML5 smart paste functionality in DW5.

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