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80 years overdue. Statist idiots.

Oklahoma and Kansas will be the last states to legalize.
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When I watch this, I don't feel overwhelming support for this bill. I feel so much disappointment that such an idiotic ban has been in place for so long.

This just falls into the "duh" category so much.

@blankfist: I feel the need to point out that this does NOT legalize it. It ends the Federal prohibition, and transfers the power to the individual states to regulate it. I make this point because I feel that if the general public was in the mindset that it legalized it, it would go nowhere. If they thought that it only gave power to the states, it has a chance.

Also, what fucking logic are people using when they claim that legalization will have a direct effect on consumption? If someone wants to smoke, they will, regardless of legality.

>> ^MarineGunrock:

@blankfist: I feel the need to point out that this does NOT legalize it.


And I feel the need to point out that my dick is in your mouth right now, jarhead. Would you mind scratching your chin? My balls itch.

Ugh, you must be gay. I can tell because your cock tastes like shit.>> ^blankfist:

>> ^MarineGunrock:
@blankfist: I feel the need to point out that this does NOT legalize it.

And I feel the need to point out that my dick is in your mouth right now, jarhead. Would you mind scratching your chin? My balls itch.

>> ^MarineGunrock:

Ugh, you must be gay. I can tell because your cock tastes like shit.>> ^blankfist:
>> ^MarineGunrock:
@blankfist: I feel the need to point out that this does NOT legalize it.

And I feel the need to point out that my dick is in your mouth right now, jarhead. Would you mind scratching your chin? My balls itch.



So, I was fucking you in the ass and then you reached back and grabbed my balls and I was all like, "Whoa! Dude, what are you, gay?"

Sorry. Sometimes I just get caught in the heat of the moment. >> ^blankfist:

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Ugh, you must be gay. I can tell because your cock tastes like shit.>> ^blankfist:
>> ^MarineGunrock:
@blankfist: I feel the need to point out that this does NOT legalize it.

And I feel the need to point out that my dick is in your mouth right now, jarhead. Would you mind scratching your chin? My balls itch.


So, I was fucking you in the ass and then you reached back and grabbed my balls and I was all like, "Whoa! Dude, what are you, gay?"

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you hijack a thread-- Oh fuck, this was my video!!! FFFFUUUUUUUUuuuuu!

>> ^blankfist:

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you hijack a thread-- Oh fuck, this was my video!!! FFFFUUUUUUUUuuuuu!


Let the free market decide whether the thread is hijacked.

I don't think the idea that usage might increase can be ruled out so easily. Personally, all my life I've stayed away from marijuana because it's illegal. It's not that I think every law should be blindly obeyed, but they have made it genuinely inconvenient.I just don't want to deal with drug dealers, I don't want to have to worry about being hassled by the police, I don't want to pay black market prices and get inconsistent quality, and I don't want to smoke in secret. I wouldn't go through that sort of pain in the ass for alcohol either, because I'm just not that crazy about it.

But having said that, why do people who are in favor of legalization care if usage increases? If you believe that people have a right to choose for themselves, why would it matter if it's 10% or 20% of people that decide to partake? It seems like the argument should be that it can be enjoyed responsibly by most, and there should be compassionate help for the people who get dependent. Just like alcohol.

>> ^entr0py:

Personally, all my life I've stayed away from marijuana because it's illegal.


Wow, you are in the huge minority.

@entr0py, it's because society already sees use as something that's looked down upon as something evil.. In the fight to legalize it, were someone to be spewing the false statistic that usage would increase, some might see that as society's degradation and be against this bill's passing. Make sense?

"Would putting you in prison for about five years, do you think that would've helped you."

There's the entire point.

Thank you Ron Paul and Barney Frank.

@MarineGunrock

Yeah, I wouldn't assume that there would be a substantial increase, and I accept that I might be really unusual. Case studies of other countries that have legalized it would be the only good evidence, and even then it's hard to filter out the confounding factors.

But it just seems to me that it's arguing on the terms of the opposition. Going back to alcohol prohibition, a lot of people argue that consumption fell by 10% - 20% during prohibition. And maybe some light drinkers couldn't be bothered to go to go to the speakeasies or buy moonshine from shady characters. But that doesn't even begin to compare to the terrible cost of organized crime, or the injustice of treating ordinary people like criminals.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if casual use went up. But who the fuck cares? Only people who think MJ comes from the devil. Just stupid. It's no worse than alcohol, and in some respects much safer.

The real question is about usage of harder drugs like heroin and crack. And I respectfully submit that if those drugs were legalized, usage would go down because seeking treatment would be safer and easier. Treatment centers could be funded by taxes on the products. Furthermore, the addicts who are struggling with it would no longer have to associate with the criminal scum that are currently the only source.

Education is a much more powerful tool to stop drug abuse than prohibition. Simple as that.

I stay away from it for legal reasons. And I plan on going to the Pot Store once it is legal.

So yeah. I'm proof that casual use will go up.


>> ^MaxWilder:

I wouldn't be at all surprised if casual use went up. But who the fuck cares?

No. If it's easier to get it, more will use it. Same with guns.

That doesn't mean we should prohibit either though. Pot is less harmful than guns, or hell, arguably even cigarettes, why are they legal while pot is not?

Arbitrary laws based on flawed morality. Bah humbug.
>> ^MarineGunrock:

Also, what fucking logic are people using when they claim that legalization will have a direct effect on consumption? If someone wants to smoke, they will, regardless of legality.

>> ^blankfist:

>> ^entr0py:
Personally, all my life I've stayed away from marijuana because it's illegal.

Wow, you are in the huge minority.


I'm in an even larger one, I've stayed away from it because, although I have tried it, and it was REALLY good BC shit and I was baked, I came away feeling "Meh, that was a waste of an evening". Too much money, too little experience. I guess I just don't have any inner demons to unlock.

The drug war DEFINITELY costs money and DEFINITELY harms society by harassing and locking people up who would otherwise be working and paying taxes. All to keep substances that range from beneficial to highly addictive from MAYBE causing problems and MAYBE costing money. All while encroaching on our freedoms and rights. I think it would be hard for any reasonable person to argue that substances cause more harm than the "war" on the substances does.

Plus keeping addicts hidden is a great way for a youngster to grow up without realizing how shitty some drugs really are. The more crackheads my kids are exposed to the less likely that they will ever want to try crack, guaranteed. Maybe we could have a drug license (like driver license). You have to take a course and pass a test and be of age and then you can partake of whatever substances float your boat. Plants and plant derivatives could be sold like alcoholic beverages are and pharmacies could sell the rest. Growing your own should be fine just like you can make your own beer or wine. MDMA, LSD-25, opium, and cannabis would be popular while pretty much no-one would buy crack or meth or huff paint or huff gasoline. If you can get safer and better substances easily why would you turn to the shittiest stuff?

-Karl

Actually, it's already pretty easy to get. Easier than booze, I would argue.>> ^gwiz665:

No. If it's easier to get it, more will use it. Same with guns.
That doesn't mean we should prohibit either though.

>> ^blankfist:
>> ^entr0py:
Personally, all my life I've stayed away from marijuana because it's illegal.

Wow, you are in the huge minority.


Well, I second what entr0py said. Huge minority is not really wrong per se; in fact--you are a freakin liberarian! So you know all about huge minority.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

>> ^blankfist:
>> ^entr0py:
Personally, all my life I've stayed away from marijuana because it's illegal.

Wow, you are in the huge minority.

Well, I second what entr0py said. Huge minority is not really wrong per se; in fact--you are a freakin liberarian! So you know all about huge minority.


I didn't make an opinion about his comment one way or the other. I'm always impressed to see someone who's not tried pot specifically because it would be breaking the law.

>> ^blankfist:
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^blankfist:
>> ^entr0py:
Personally, all my life I've stayed away from marijuana because it's illegal.

Wow, you are in the huge minority.

Well, I second what entr0py said. Huge minority is not really wrong per se; in fact--you are a freakin liberarian! So you know all about huge minority.

I didn't make an opinion about his comment one way or the other. I'm always impressed to see someone who's not tried pot specifically because it would be breaking the law.


Whoops, I meant that as sarcasm/humor over the fact that libertarians are regarded lesser than perhaps they should be--and so are those who have not tried drugs. I meant to put in a -- -- but lost the translation.

Marijuana has been used by witches and occultists to tap into satanic realms for centuries. It is spiritual poison and invites demonic posession. Just say no kids.

Shiny, it's comments like that that truly help illustrate the level of your ignorance.

>> ^blankfist:
I didn't make an opinion about his comment one way or the other. I'm always impressed to see someone who's not tried pot specifically because it would be breaking the law.


Oh, to be clear, I have tried it like 3 times. Every time because friends offered. The first two times I felt no effect at all, and the 3rd just barely something. I'd try it again if offered, and I'd try it again if it was as easy to get as alcohol or cigarettes. Again, it's not really that I care that it's illegal, but being illegal tends to make it inconvenient and costly. I've also tried absinthe since it was legalized, but would never have cared enough to hunt it down on the black market a few years ago when it was illicit.

Just say no to trolling.>> ^shinyblurry:

Marijuana has been used by witches and occultists to tap into satanic realms for centuries. It is spiritual poison and invites demonic posession. Just say no kids.

We have to do something about the War on Drugs™ as it is out of control. Northern Mexico is basically a war zone and meanwhile we throw a huge amount of none-violent, and worse, non-harmful (maybe self-harmful) individuals into jail. There is no winnable ground in this war, we will always be losing and it will get more violent; essentially becoming history's the Mafia Part Two.

Illegal immigration may even feed into this now, who knows.

Those that would be tempted to try it (but find it distasteful, illegal, or evil--or whatever) need to grow willpower or go get preemptive addiction help. Worst discussion ever, it makes NO sense. You are essentially saying you'd use it 24/7 due to legality, but don't now. Get help, you need it already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvtt6QG4kOM

What you think about me has no bearing on my witness here. Even if no one believes me, at least they will have the information if they ever wake up. Satan is real, and anyone who doesn't know God has been utterly deceived by him. It's been well known amongst demon worshippers that marijuana opens you to spiritual realms controlled by Satan. Aliester crowley stated that very clearly in his book of the law. Drug abuse of any kind is sinful and satanic, and invites possession.

>> ^Ryjkyj:
Shiny, it's comments like that that truly help illustrate the level of your ignorance.

It's well known amongst demon worshipers?

See, you were just complaining about apostasy in another post today. And yet it sounds like you're sort of buying into some sort of weird, middle ages Malleus Maleficarum stuff here. Nowhere in the bible does it say that marijuana use is a sin. Am I wrong about that? Or is this something that god told you personally? To me, it sounds like you're just buying into the antiquated perception of mainstream society that says that marijuana use is "evil". So you're going to base your gospel (remember, you're the one who's preaching) on the words of Aleister Crowley now? All of a sudden Aleister Crowley is the last word on what's holy or unholy? Seems to me like he's the last person whose word you would want to take on the subject.

Oh, but you used the word "abuse" right? Drug "abuse" is sinful and Satanic? Well, isn't the abuse of anything sinful and satanic? So it's kind of a moot point right? Can't you just as easily abuse butter, or adrenaline or the bible?

Well what about the legitimate use of a drug? Is using aspirin sinful and satanic? It sounds to me like you're pretty much writing off the use of any marijuana ever. Well what about someone dying of leukemia who hasn't eaten in a week because they're so sick? I'd like to see you say to that person that they were worshiping demons for taking marijuana to help them eat. That the sick or the dying should not receive comfort because of something Aleister Crowley said.

It sounds to me like you're guilty of letting the devil convince you of something that God has yet to let us know about.

I won't even get into the whole "burning bush" thing since I know you prefer to take any bible verse that suits your purpose literally.

>> ^shinyblurry:

What you think about me has no bearing on my witness here. Even if no one believes me, at least they will have the information if they ever wake up. Satan is real, and anyone who doesn't know God has been utterly deceived by him. It's been well known amongst demon worshippers that marijuana opens you to spiritual realms controlled by Satan. Aliester crowley stated that very clearly in his book of the law. Drug abuse of any kind is sinful and satanic, and invites possession.
>> ^Ryjkyj:
Shiny, it's comments like that that truly help illustrate the level of your ignorance.

Right. And this bill will make it harder to get weed. Right now, weed is for sale in every high school in America. How much easier could it get? State control of weed would kill the illegal trade.>> ^gwiz665:

No. If it's easier to get it, more will use it. Same with guns.
That doesn't mean we should prohibit either though. Pot is less harmful than guns, or hell, arguably even cigarettes, why are they legal while pot is not?
Arbitrary laws based on flawed morality. Bah humbug.

Dear all,

Shinyblurry is either a staggeringly misinformed Christian proselytizer, or a troll. I think the latter, but the jury's still out. Either way, you're not having the conversation you think you're having.

We live in very different countries evidently. I have to go to some pretty seedy neighborhoods if I want weed here, which makes the "barrier to entry" relatively high. I'm all for selling it in pharmacies or even on the same level as cigarettes and alcohol. More people will try it, because they can get it legally, and that's fine.
>> ^messenger:

Right. And this bill will make it harder to get weed. Right now, weed is for sale in every high school in America. How much easier could it get? State control of weed would kill the illegal trade.>> ^gwiz665:
No. If it's easier to get it, more will use it. Same with guns.
That doesn't mean we should prohibit either though. Pot is less harmful than guns, or hell, arguably even cigarettes, why are they legal while pot is not?
Arbitrary laws based on flawed morality. Bah humbug.

My cards on the table, what I said about "every high school" was actually about Canada. I heard it from a police officer who gives talks about drugs to grade school students. I'm assuming the same is true in America. I'm also going to assume you're not high school aged anymore, and so like me, might have more trouble than the average 16-year-old finding a source.>> ^gwiz665:

We live in very different countries evidently. I have to go to some pretty seedy neighborhoods if I want weed here, which makes the "barrier to entry" relatively high. I'm all for selling it in pharmacies or even on the same level as cigarettes and alcohol. More people will try it, because they can get it legally, and that's fine.
>> ^messenger:
Right. And this bill will make it harder to get weed. Right now, weed is for sale in every high school in America. How much easier could it get? State control of weed would kill the illegal trade.>> ^gwiz665:
No. If it's easier to get it, more will use it. Same with guns.
That doesn't mean we should prohibit either though. Pot is less harmful than guns, or hell, arguably even cigarettes, why are they legal while pot is not?
Arbitrary laws based on flawed morality. Bah humbug.

This is only going to spike usage by gay demon worshipers.

>> ^deathcow:

This is only going to spike usage by gay demon worshipers.


count me in!

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