footage at the very end made the upvote!

You're not fucking around with that title.

so i got this thing that fires metal faster than the speed of sound.

I expected shit on the floor afterwards. I was pleasantly surprised.

>> ^westy:

so i got this thing that fires metal faster than the speed of sound.


And that guy would still probably fuck you up 3 times before you'd managed to unholster it... ; )

Hit him in the pancreas?

I'm not sure if you're just making a joke or not, so I'll explain.

Pancrase is a Japanese combat sport that grew out of wrestling. It was meant to be similar to pankration from the ancient Olympics.

>> ^Payback:

Hit him in the pancreas?

>> ^westy:

so i got this thing that fires metal faster than the speed of sound.


I can almost understand why people repeat this stupid comment in light of self-defense videos, but this is a sport. Nobody talks about how they own a bulldozer when watching football.

>> ^gwiz665:

I expected shit on the floor afterwards. I was pleasantly surprised.


That's why they wear those air-tight shorts.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

>> ^westy:
so i got this thing that fires metal faster than the speed of sound.

I can almost understand why people repeat this stupid comment in light of self-defense videos, but this is a sport. Nobody talks about how they own a bulldozer when watching football.


I sure as hell fucking do! "Hey Everyone...LOOK at my Fucking Bulldozer!"

well this is the thing , i like marshel arts and all the other sports as a form of dance and way of getting fit , allso they are like a living musum of culture. but allot of the people that practise them ohnistly think of them as a practical wepon , when in modern socity its very rare that you would actualy need to know annything to be in the best servival outcom . nearly always if in a confruntatoinal situatoin your better running away , allso due to the nature of street fighting chances are annyone who actualy has intent to hurt you will have a kniffe or a gun , in which case your fucked.

there is allso a huge difference to knowing basics of self defence and keeping fit and limber , over sumone that trains as if they are going to be a gladeator.

the latter seems like a very unproductive usage of time ( in the sence of doing it for self protectoin) I have nothing against people doing it for enjoyment.

I allso find sport scence quite intresting , and thats what this guys kick techneek realy comes down to , utilising the muscles in the most efficent way to deliver force at a given piont of contact. but its so retardedly simplistic compared to other scencies or other thigns of intrest , yet the guys presenting it teach it as if its some sort of mystical oober magick , exsploiting peoples retarded respect for martail arts that has developed over the yers.

infact one of the things that the japanise ninja sucsesfully did was convince people that they had magic powers and that was a sort of mental wepon that would give them the upper hand in a battel. its amusing that morons are still going allong with it.

In modern life u just need to know how to handle a knife use and look after a gun , and identify potentail situatoins from a distance so you can avoid them or run away. skills such as how to make money , or cook grow capture varouse foods , or be educated are going to be far grator factors in avoiding phisical fights and having good servival in modern life.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

>> ^westy:
so i got this thing that fires metal faster than the speed of sound.

I can almost understand why people repeat this stupid comment in light of self-defense videos, but this is a sport. Nobody talks about how they own a bulldozer when watching football.

"You step in like this and then you let your hip explode ... and they will feel a hard stretch here, in the groin muscle"

Riiight.

Reminds me of the 'roid dude in GTAIV

>> ^Engels:

Reminds me of the 'roid dude in GTAIV


Funny you should mention that. Bas did the mocap for Niko and also was one of the hosts of The Men's Room in-game TV show.

>> ^radx:

"You step in like this and then you let your hip explode ... and they will feel a hard stretch here, in the groin muscle"
Riiight.


If you ask people who do suffer from exploding hip syndrome, that's pretty accurate. You often do feel a stretch first. I find it's best to sit down at that point.

High kicks are soooooooo easy to counter. You would get owned if you tried to use one in a real fight instead of this show-off martial arts bullshit.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

>> ^Engels:
Reminds me of the 'roid dude in GTAIV

Funny you should mention that. Bas did the mocap for Niko and also was one of the hosts of The Men's Room in-game TV show.


THAT'S where I've seen him! Thanks. Just got GTAIV on steam for 7 bucks, so I've just now started playing it.

>> ^jwray:

High kicks are soooooooo easy to counter. You would get owned if you tried to use one in a real fight instead of this show-off martial arts bullshit.


You've got to be joking. Tell that to anderson silva. There are many people in the real world who, in a real fight, could pound you into the floor with high kicks and there'd be nothing you could do about it.

Me or you couldn't pull it off in a real fight. But we're not experts.

MMA show matches are not real fights.

Same as WWF bullshit.

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>> ^jwray:

MMA show matches are not real fights.
Same as WWF bullshit.


They're not real in the sense that there are rules and restrictions, sure, but where does the World Wildlife Fund come in?

How about a shirt with sleeves if you got one, Romeo?

(sigh)

I clicked on the comments because the video was hilarious and I wanted to see if anyone else noted the underweight and terrified assistant holding the pads, but all I get is internet hater bullshit. Really, if you hate everything so much, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU ALWAYS HERE!

Returning again to my lurking ways.

I can't decide if I'm more shocked at the hostility to martial arts or the number of votes this is getting.

I sift martial arts videos all the time and they're lucky to make it to 10 votes.
>> ^Hawkinson:

all I get is internet hater bullshit.

I've been in two fights in my entire life. Neither of them involved weapons. For the most part, guns are illegal to carry around (with the exception of a few states). Whether you carry a gun, knife, or have only your own body in a confrontation, you're going to want to have training as to how best to use your weapon. Certainly avoiding the confrontation is always best, but a real fight will usually start before you realize there is something happening.

All I'm saying is that if you think you can learn to use a gun and ignore your hand-to-hand combat/self-defense training, you are ignoring the one weapon you always have with you. And that's just duuuumb.

"Oh, you want to kick my ass? Hold on while I get my .45 from the trunk of my car..."

Why kick someone in the chest when you can kick them in the nuts. It's faster, longer range, does a lot more damage, and puts you at much less risk of losing your balance in a counterattack.

>> ^westy:

allso due to the nature of street fighting chances are annyone who actualy has intent to hurt you will have a kniffe or a gun

Whilst I somewhat agree that the likelihood that years of martial-arts practice is going to one day save your life in a street fight is pretty slim, I would point out that Bas is from the Netherlands and Pancrase is centered around Japan. In neither of these countries are you likely to encounter people carrying guns on the street, like you would in America. At worst they would have a knife... and a trained martial artist would certainly be able to fend off a junkie with a knife.

>> ^jwray:

Why kick someone in the chest when you can kick them in the nuts. It's faster, longer range, does a lot more damage, and puts you at much less risk of losing your balance in a counterattack.


Sorry jwray, but i have to say your advice next to the advice of mr. rutten (who could pound just about any single person in a real fight) falls distincty short.

Let's not forget that this video right here is a demonstration of a technique for fighting in a certain style of MMA competition.

But he, and people in his sport, also give self defence lessons which relate to real fights.

Don't be under any illusion, jwray, this guy could kick most people's arses in a real world fight. You may as well pretend that lennox lewis is a pussy who'd get his ass kicked in a street fight because nail clawing, eye gouging, biting and kicking isn't allowed in boxing.

The bottom line is that these guys are experts in delivering punches, kicks, holds and throws - they're trained by repetition and baptism of fire to deliver them even under the worst of circumstances, when they're dog tired, when their nose is broken into 4 - AND THEY CAN KICK/EYE GOUGE/NAIL SCRATCH AND HAIR PULL BETTER THAN YOU BECAUSE THEY'RE USED TO HAVING THAT ADRENALINE OF THE FIGHT RESPONSE.

Honestly pal, if you think anyone near to the top of just about any MMA or boxing type competition is on an even footing to your average person in a street fight, you're kidding yourself. I pray to god, allah and budda that your over confidence doesn't lead you into a fight with one of these guys, cos you'd be lucky if they decided to stop very precisely short of killing you.

I'm no good physically, but strategy is strategy. If you put your leg that high you're giving your opponent a very good opportunity to knock you down and hit you while you're down.

well thats the thing in uk its the same almost noone has guns , but the times when sumone would stab you would be when your on a train or in a close space, and pritty much always the best thing to do would be to run away , or just get out the way , which is sort of thing u can do with no training , evan with training if sumone decides to stab you out the blue on a train or in an ally they will probably get you.

>> ^cbp2:

>> ^westy:
allso due to the nature of street fighting chances are annyone who actualy has intent to hurt you will have a kniffe or a gun
Whilst I somewhat agree that the likelihood that years of martial-arts practice is going to one day save your life in a street fight is pretty slim, I would point out that Bas is from the Netherlands and Pancrase is centered around Japan. In neither of these countries are you likely to encounter people carrying guns on the street, like you would in America. At worst they would have a knife... and a trained martial artist would certainly be able to fend off a junkie with a knife.

Yeah, running away is usually best. But in case they're bigger and faster than you, high kicks are epic fail.

^ All a matter of context I suppose. As I recall Bruce thought the same at one time, never make kicks above the waist. Your far better off targeting the shins, knees, thighs, and midsection. Mainly because their closer to the foot, utilizing both travel time and energy. Lower kicks can also fall beneath an opponents guard very easily. However, after training with several strong high kickers (i.e. Chuck Norris) Bruce changed his tune slightly, if the opportunity presents itself even a flashy high kick can be extremely devastating. Take one from the master, "be as water" nothing should be written in stone.

The problem is, the most popular dojos/dojangs you find today are either Tae Kwon Do or Karate and anyone who's been to a TKD/Karate tourney knows that high kicks are the only way to score points.

Wow, I'm surprise such a simple video could attract so many dumb mis/uninformed comments. (..mostly from jwray)

It's an MMA tutorial folks. Bas is instructing athletes on technique for their sport, not attempting to teach you how to be a ninja.

Let's try to remember that before you go ramblin' on about hypotheticals that have nothing to do with the context of the video, please. =]

No no no... this is the way to kick the shit out of someone:
Watch this
Go to around 1:20 and onwards...
(Shameless selfpromotion)

MMA isn't a sport, it's a barbaric spectacle that anyone with sense wouldn't participate in. Every knockout involves brain damage.

^I honestly hope your being sarcastic. You could easily make the same argument against football, rugby and boxing. Cheerleading is more dangerous than MMA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJYkzfs8JU

fast forward to 2:44 to see Bas Rutten getting owned when he tries to high kick.

>> ^Aniatario:

^I honestly hope your being sarcastic. You could easily make the same argument against football, rugby and boxing. Cheerleading is more dangerous than MMA.


And I would make the same argument against those sports.

Alright then, no arguments here. You go have fun bubbleboy.

I love all the excuses in this thread to *not* train yourself to be prepared for emergencies. I'm not saying that this one kick will save your life, but it is one tool among hundreds that could collectively prevent harm to you or a loved one. Or heck, even a stranger, in the event you decide to step up to the defense of the weak against a bully.

Just remember, even running away in an efficient manner requires training. I hope you will at least do that.

Six out of six former NFL players that were tested for chronic traumatic encephalopathy tested positive. Some of them died from the disease. The amount of brain damage it takes to kill you is orders of magnitude above what might fuck up your intellect.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/26/athlete.brains/index.html

Football/rugby/boxing/mma are uncivilized.

>> ^jwray:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJYkzfs8JU
fast forward to 2:44 to see Bas Rutten getting owned when he tries to high kick.


BWAHAHAHA!

That's a Pro Wrestling match. He got "owned" when he threw the high kick because that's what was in the script.

>> ^jwray:

MMA isn't a sport, it's a barbaric spectacle that anyone with sense wouldn't participate in. Every knockout involves brain damage.


I avoided MMA for a long time because I remembered the ads from the early days and I assumed nothing had changed. It was a pure bloodsport then: no rounds, no time limits, no gloves, no weight classes, few illegal strikes/holds.

A friend got me to watch it a few years ago and I'm glad he did. I find it's usually less brutal than a boxing match now. There's no 10-second count to see if a guy who gets fucked up will recover; if you can't defend yourself, the match is stopped immediately. The majority of fights don't end in actual knockouts. They're usually referee stoppage (TKO), a submission or they go to decision. Injury frequency is probably on par with any other contact sport (baseball, basketball, football).

I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong, because it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But if you've never watched it because you think it's probably a brutal, nasty bloodsport (like I used to), I might suggest you give it a chance. You may find it's not what you thought.

Basketball and Baseball are not contact sports. You can't legally grab, push, or hit another player in those sports.

Google says MMA injury rates are 20-30% per match. There is no way that the rate is that high in football.

I was just revisiting some of my videos and decided to do some research about this debate.

First, from a medical standpoint, basketball and baseball are considered contact sports as contact can and does occur. Boxing, MMA, NFL, etc are known as collision sports, where players impacting each other or the ground is a goal rather than incidental.

If you look at this report by Johns Hopkins University, they indicate 69 of the 171 matches in their sample set ended with injuries: 40%. That seems high until you look at the next page and see that 46 of those 69 injuries (48%) were cuts. In most cases, cuts just need time to heal and have no long-term effect save perhaps some scarring. If we take those out, we're left with 13% of the matches ending with injuries that have potential to be serious. There has been one death in sanctioned MMA but it was after the release of this study so it's not reflected.

Note their conclusion paragraph at the end: " Mixed Martial Arts competitions have changed dramatically since the first Ultimate Fighting Championship in 1993. The overall injury rate in MMA competitions is now similar to other combat sports, including boxing. Knockout rates are lower in MMA competitions than in boxing. This suggests a reduced risk of TBI in MMA competitions when compared to other events involving striking."

Unfortunately I can't find statistics on the NFL that can be directly compared, but here is an article talking about injuries. 60% of players report having suffered a concussion. This Wikipedia page cites statistics that the rate of direct fatalities has dropped to 4.3 per year on average from 1991-2006. I think these stats include people playing in their yards with no pads or helmets, though, so it's not easy to make a comparison to sanctioned MMA.

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