Football (soccer) in a nutshell

Yogisays...

I suppose I could make the same argument about football, if I presented a clip of Suh doing something horrible I could paint all of the NFL in the same light.

This does happen in soccer but it's really that big of a deal, it certainly isn't as prevalent as dissent. Also anyone who says they stopped watching because of diving simply didn't like it very much in the first place, or only watched inferior leagues.

bmacs27says...

I don't like soccer because it's boring. The diving just makes it pitiful too. Sprinkle in a dash of settling games with penalty shootouts to really bring out that cheesy flavor.

Yogisaid:

I suppose I could make the same argument about football, if I presented a clip of Suh doing something horrible I could paint all of the NFL in the same light.

This does happen in soccer but it's really that big of a deal, it certainly isn't as prevalent as dissent. Also anyone who says they stopped watching because of diving simply didn't like it very much in the first place, or only watched inferior leagues.

thumpa28says...

Well as the guy says, each to his own. You could say the same about american football, the constant breaks, the changing teams, the fact its called football when they mostly use hands and dont use a ball... I have no doubt gaelic football would cause the same apathy in some individuals. However to say this video is representative of the game is just, well, daft. Firmly tongue in cheek.

bmacs27said:

I don't like soccer because it's boring. The diving just makes it pitiful too. Sprinkle in a dash of settling games with penalty shootouts to really bring out that cheesy flavor.

yellowcsays...

What makes it even sadder is that players are under no illusion they won't get caught, as long as they're not caught by the referee, they simply don't care.

To me this is even worse, they are happy to gain benefits by faking, even though they know the world can see them basically cheating, you can sugar coat it but gaining an advantage through ill means is cheating.

The post-match penalty should be much much greater and the fans should not go along with it as long as it's their team that benefitted, this is equally pathetic. I've seen stabbings on the street over a team winning from a bad call on a dive, yet not but a week before, the losing team had a similar situation.

All in all, I love the game but I absolutely despise the act of diving, I'm never going to just "accept it" as part of the game, what a load of shit.

dirkdeagler7says...

How is changing teams for defense (which has as much to do with specialized players as it does resting) or the breaks in play which are procedural rules in football compare to the use and acceptance of "flopping" to elicit an unjustified benefit in what is supposed to be a fair and competitive sport?

American Football players are under fire for lying about their health to keep playing and to maintain respect which sets a certain expectation for fans and basketball players are heavily criticized for flopping as well so it's not just hating on soccer....its just more accepted in soccer it appears to the uninitiated.

Also google why it's called football so you sound less ignorant. It makes complete sense why American Football is called football just like it makes sense for Rugby Rules, Australian Rules, and Association Rules (Soccer) to be called "football".

thumpa28said:

Well as the guy says, each to his own. You could say the same about american football, the constant breaks, the changing teams, the fact its called football when they mostly use hands and dont use a ball... I have no doubt gaelic football would cause the same apathy in some individuals. However to say this video is representative of the game is just, well, daft. Firmly tongue in cheek.

thumpa28says...

LOL easy, tiger. You've obviously missed the tongue in cheek reference and are way more emotional about this than I care to be.

I really have no interest in trying to convert the unintiated into the delights of football, ignorance is always a bad starting point, and lets be honest its about as likely as me coming to appreciate american football. I make no claims about that sport other than it is as rife with the diseases that plague high value professional sports as any other.The point is this video is not representative - you could find a hundred more videos where legs are broken by tackles. Doesnt mean thats part of the game or a reflection of anything more than a natural statistical by-product from the sheer quantity of games played all over the world.

take this video for instance - the guy is obviously playing on the fact that a deliberate hand to head (usually a punch) is an immediate red card offence, which puts the opposing team down to ten men and in all kinds of trouble. Its kind of akin to putting a cash bounty on tackling concussion prone players - within the game, but barely. Not very sportsmanlike.

As to the provenance of 'american football', it would make more sense to call it rugby, that being the original inspiration. But again, it obviously means more to you than it does to me so i'll pass on that debate.

dirkdeagler7said:

How is changing teams for defense (which has as much to do with specialized players as it does resting) or the breaks in play which are procedural rules in football compare to the use and acceptance of "flopping" to elicit an unjustified benefit in what is supposed to be a fair and competitive sport?

American Football players are under fire for lying about their health to keep playing and to maintain respect which sets a certain expectation for fans and basketball players are heavily criticized for flopping as well so it's not just hating on soccer....its just more accepted in soccer it appears to the uninitiated.

Also google why it's called football so you sound less ignorant. It makes complete sense why American Football is called football just like it makes sense for Rugby Rules, Australian Rules, and Association Rules (Soccer) to be called "football".

Yogisays...

Yeah I get annoyed by this and I'm gonna call you out on it especially since we had a major former NFL star in Junior Seau die from playing Football. Rugby is a very tough sport, made for very tough men, but they're not tougher than NFL football players because they don't wear pads. Players wearing pads hit eachother with a much greater velocity than Rugby players normally hit themselves...and they hit eachother in the head which is causing deaths.

I think you can make a similar comparison to boxing and bare knuckle fighting. In over 100 years of bare knuckle fighting no one has died from it, but an average of 4 people die from boxing related injuries in the US alone. The reason is because when you fight bare knuckle you don't go for the head as much...it hurts. In boxing you basically trade blows to the head for rounds and rounds severely damaging a brain.

So no, rugby players are not tougher than NFL players...or even soccer players. We should all do well to remember that we have similar DNA and sports with differing sets of challenges. I would say the toughest athletes in the world are ultra-marathon runners. Because nothing is more suggestive than the voice in your head telling you to stop.

So skinny little runners in short shorts that run over 100 miles in 120 degree temperatures are tougher than all of you. Have a nice day.

ChaosEnginesaid:

Meh, soccer, NFL, whatever. Girly sports for people too weak to play rugby.

Or hurling.

ChaosEnginesays...

First up, did you miss the smiley at the end of my post? That would be the hint that I wasn't 100% serious.

As it happens, I know a few guys who play gridiron in NZ and they're tough as nails.

The only athletes I have no time for are road bikers. Drug-taking, lycra-wearing pussies, the lot of them*.

Regarding boxing, I fully agree with you. Personally, I think we should go back to bare knuckle boxing for exactly that reason, but I know it'd never sell. People are perfectly happy to have boxers brain damaged, but god forbid we see some blood. That would be barbaric.

Finally as far as ultra marathon guys go, I have huge respect for them, but you're confusing fitness with toughness. But they don't have to be, any more than a rugby player needs to run at a constant pace for 3 hours.

*For the humour impaired, this is an example of hyperbole combined with an overly broad generalisation for a cheap laugh. I acknowledge that some road bikers don't take drugs, and that in general they're very fit. But they still wear lycra, so there.

Yogisaid:

Yeah I get annoyed by this and I'm gonna call you out on it especially since we had a major former NFL star in Junior Seau die from playing Football. Rugby is a very tough sport, made for very tough men, but they're not tougher than NFL football players because they don't wear pads. Players wearing pads hit eachother with a much greater velocity than Rugby players normally hit themselves...and they hit eachother in the head which is causing deaths.

I think you can make a similar comparison to boxing and bare knuckle fighting. In over 100 years of bare knuckle fighting no one has died from it, but an average of 4 people die from boxing related injuries in the US alone. The reason is because when you fight bare knuckle you don't go for the head as much...it hurts. In boxing you basically trade blows to the head for rounds and rounds severely damaging a brain.

So no, rugby players are not tougher than NFL players...or even soccer players. We should all do well to remember that we have similar DNA and sports with differing sets of challenges. I would say the toughest athletes in the world are ultra-marathon runners. Because nothing is more suggestive than the voice in your head telling you to stop.

So skinny little runners in short shorts that run over 100 miles in 120 degree temperatures are tougher than all of you. Have a nice day.

Yogisays...

I thought you were having some fun but I still felt it needed to be addressed, it's an oft repeated prejudice. Anyways I still contend that Ultramarathoners are tougher than anyone. Running 24 hours at a time...sometimes in high altitude with little oxygen or in 120 degrees through death valley. They're the toughest people on the planet in my view. It's one thing to play through pain, it's another to do it for hours upon hours. That's just my opinion, the voice in my head is the only thing that holds me back.

ChaosEnginesaid:

First up, did you miss the smiley at the end of my post? That would be the hint that I wasn't 100% serious.

As it happens, I know a few guys who play gridiron in NZ and they're tough as nails.

The only athletes I have no time for are road bikers. Drug-taking, lycra-wearing pussies, the lot of them*.

Regarding boxing, I fully agree with you. Personally, I think we should go back to bare knuckle boxing for exactly that reason, but I know it'd never sell. People are perfectly happy to have boxers brain damaged, but god forbid we see some blood. That would be barbaric.

Finally as far as ultra marathon guys go, I have huge respect for them, but you're confusing fitness with toughness. But they don't have to be, any more than a rugby player needs to run at a constant pace for 3 hours.

*For the humour impaired, this is an example of hyperbole combined with an overly broad generalisation for a cheap laugh. I acknowledge that some road bikers don't take drugs, and that in general they're very fit. But they still wear lycra, so there.

ChaosEnginesays...

No more so than the equally oft repeated prejudice that soccer is full of flouncy Europeans diving at every opportunity.

As for ultra marathoners, I guess it depends on how you define "tough". They're mentally tough as hell and physically super fit, but I don't think they'd survive being hit by an All Black

Yogisaid:

I thought you were having some fun but I still felt it needed to be addressed, it's an oft repeated prejudice. Anyways I still contend that Ultramarathoners are tougher than anyone. Running 24 hours at a time...sometimes in high altitude with little oxygen or in 120 degrees through death valley. They're the toughest people on the planet in my view. It's one thing to play through pain, it's another to do it for hours upon hours. That's just my opinion, the voice in my head is the only thing that holds me back.

Yogisays...

Oh yeah? Behold!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Goggins

David Goggins, Navy Seal and Ultramarathon runner.

Also yeah this whole thing was about trouncing prejudices.

ChaosEnginesaid:

No more so than the equally oft repeated prejudice that soccer is full of flouncy Europeans diving at every opportunity.

As for ultra marathoners, I guess it depends on how you define "tough". They're mentally tough as hell and physically super fit, but I don't think they'd survive being hit by an All Black

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