...I... I don't really see the issue here... is that suppose to be a problem?

First!

*lies, Europe is doing fine.

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There's so much wrong with this report I wouldn't know where to start.

Lol - France doesn't understand why its divorce rate is so high (2.09/1000 people).

The US crude divorce rate is 3.4 (8th highest on the Wikipedia list). If this is important, maybe we should try communism (China is down at 1.28) or Islam (Qatar is 1.04).

I was having dinner with a few European colleagues in London a while ago. One of them told me a story of how he was in the States, in the south, and was complementing his american colleagues on the bad guys we had rounded up.

He said, "You got Bin Ladin, you got Quaddafi, you got the pirates....who's next?"

Without missing a beat, the two Americans said,"Obama!" He was of course shocked.

The other diners asked, with jaws gaping, "Do...do you feel this way?"

"Of course not," I said, and gave them a cliff notes version of the American South.

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Shows there is a chasm of perception between the states and Europe.

Well, that was a heartening story, maybe there's a glimmer of hope for mankind.

I especially like the part where Europe owes its culture, freedom, science and wealth to Christianity.

What a fucking joke. This is what you get from sifting the Christian broadcast network.

Religion makes babies?

More dogs than children? That's because european atheist dogs eat children.

HAHAHAHA Propaganda!

So Fucking What?!

>> ^Mammaltron:

Well, that was a heartening story, maybe there's a glimmer of hope for mankind.
I especially like the part where Europe owes its culture, freedom, science and wealth to Christianity.


To be fair, there is a cultural debt to Christianity. Religion has inspired many great works of art, but that's no reason to believe in it (anymore than you need to believe in hobbits to enjoy Lord of the Rings).
As for freedom and science... that's very marginal.
As for wealth, well it's probably true but not in a good way.

Oh, and "nothing can be said against muslims"? O Rly?

well shoot! I gots to go make some more babies. My baby son won't be able to hold off the horde of invading muslims all by himself!!

Wow, this stuff is really disgusting. How is this on CBS news? How is this not a fringe bloody Christian production? Disgusting.

I had a friend in High School that got more and more Christian, and as their Communication Project chose to show us Christian propaganda videos... including ones which decried Yoda as being dangerous and horrible because he espouses a Buddhist like belief, and meditation as a dangerous practice as it opens your mind to Satan.

This sort of shit is just so worrying. It's presented in the style of 'fact' and yet is ENTIRELY sourced from Christian sources.

HOW does this get onto a normal broadcast tv news?

>> ^njjh201:

>> ^spoco2:
Wow, this stuff is really disgusting. How is this on CBS news? How is this not a fringe bloody Christian production? Disgusting. [...] HOW does this get onto a normal broadcast tv news?

You misheard. It was CBN news. "Christian News, 24-7".
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/
Funnily enough CBN News (and their reporter Barbara Wintergreen) was the fictional American channel which supplied The Day Today with its US news segments, eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO9jGsgPTsk


Ooooooh... That makes much more sense. So yes, it is just another of the HORRIBLE propaganda bullshit stories that those fear mongering douches make.

cool, I can live with that

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couldn't the lack of children be as much due to a failing economy or an overpopulation of the planet as much as to an abdication of religion?

In any case, I say Good riddance and Goodbye to the godforsaken meme of religion.
"we had some.. times, we did."

Ah, good news for once.

It means Europe is better.

"To Europeans, Religion is the strangest and most disturbing Feature about (America)."

That's not the truth. It's those American People who try to enforce their religious beliefs into Politics, I think that's what's most disturbing to us.
Like this Santorum guy... no... have to stop myself before rage mode starts...

I used to note 'artistic inspiration' in conversation as a plus-side to Religion, but then grew to understand that the majority of great artists actually painted religious themes for exactly the same reason they painted important people of the times... money. So now, that plus-side is just 'funding some great artists'.

One look at the Pope and you can see religion has money to burn on ornamentation, and so great artists sought to be on great terms with that major patron.


>> ^ChaosEngine:

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To be fair, there is a cultural debt to Christianity. Religion has inspired many great works of art,

>> ^bamdrew:

I used to note 'artistic inspiration' in conversation as a plus-side to Religion, but then grew to understand that the majority of great artists actually painted religious themes for exactly the same reason they painted important people of the times... money. So now, that plus-side is just 'funding some great artists'.
One look at the Pope and you can see religion has money to burn on ornamentation, and so great artists sought to be on great terms with that major patron.


Undoubtedly true, but at the same time I think it would be wrong to say that none of the artists involved in creating great works were not genuinely inspired by their faith. I don't just mean the likes of the Sistine Chapel either, but lots of smaller non-commissioned work.

Although you could argue that that is art inspired by faith rather than religion.

Agreed; Dante's "Inferno" and the expressiveness of the Old Testament and Apocrypha in general no doubt have inspired reams of artistic works. I suppose my point was we often don't think of the day-to-day lives of celebrated old artists... and how a church/state commissioned 'Lamentation of Christ' alter piece that is now seen as a masterwork was at one time seen as a safe bet to generate some income, which could fund experimentation with capturing more personal themes and illustration of the natural world.

(I should say "may have been seen as a safe bet to generate some income", as this is my own impression)

>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> Undoubtedly true, but at the same time I think it would be wrong to say that none of the artists involved in creating great works were not genuinely inspired by their faith. I don't just mean the likes of the Sistine Chapel either, but lots of smaller non-commissioned work.
Although you could argue that that is art inspired by faith rather than religion.

I have to admit, it's very very strange to hear religion in politics, that kind of thing. At least to a brit. And other than fringe elements, there's no mention of religion in a science class. It's like suggesting to teach football in history class. But then again, that's a "rest of the world" opinion; i don't live there, that's just what i hear.

There's still lots of art and architecture made today in the style and theme of old European Catholicism by people who're completely atheistic. I think it's more stylistic and cultural inspirations than religious, because even though the style might've been developed by and incorporated into catholic art and architecture, originally it was from even older cultural and religious styles.

>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^Mammaltron:
Well, that was a heartening story, maybe there's a glimmer of hope for mankind.
I especially like the part where Europe owes its culture, freedom, science and wealth to Christianity.

To be fair, there is a cultural debt to Christianity. Religion has inspired many great works of art, but that's no reason to believe in it (anymore than you need to believe in hobbits to enjoy Lord of the Rings).
As for freedom and science... that's very marginal.
As for wealth, well it's probably true but not in a good way.
Oh, and "nothing can be said against muslims"? O Rly?


I wouldn't say religion inspired art, rather religion gave artists jobs. Sorta like "Video games inspired artists." No, video game companies give artists jobs. A small percentage of them are inspired by, but more often than not, it's the "gettin' paid" factor.

There is nothing atheism has in its bag of tricks equaling the statement: "All life has value."

Europe may not be "dying" but it's sure not thriving.

"Sacrificing" God leaves two choices for Europe: devolve into Muslimland as Muslims breed and take over sans assimilation, or another Soviet-style dictatorship, where the state is god and human life is as cheap and expendable as a Chinese.

>> ^quantumushroom:

There is nothing atheism has in its bag of tricks equaling the statement: "All life has value."

You have this backwards. It is atheists who are more likely to recognize that all life has value, whereas the religious minded are more likely to believe that all human life has value, or even more narrowly that all humans accepting their doctrine have value.

>> ^poolcleaner:


I wouldn't say religion inspired art, rather religion gave artists jobs. Sorta like "Video games inspired artists." No, video game companies give artists jobs. A small percentage of them are inspired by, but more often than not, it's the "gettin' paid" factor.


Pretty sure I already covered this a few posts ago. Yes, it is undeniably true that a great many artists created great works of art at the behest religious patrons.
But it would be churlish to refuse to acknowledge that many artists, musicians and writers were inspired by their faith.

Again, that doesn't mean they were right, merely that they were sincere.

On the bright side the only place this BS appears is on nutty christo networks and a little site that sifts talking cats.

>> ^quantumushroom:

There is nothing atheism has in its bag of tricks equaling the statement: "All life has value."



You mean like the Amalakites? Or gays? Or people gathering sticks on a Sunday?

We need a resurrection, it's *dead jebus.

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