What a Foolish narrow minded fool. There is a GOD Just look around you are surrounded by HIS creations.

If there is a god, why are there so many of you rightwing assholes?

Can I get an AMEN?!

...Probably not. But thumbs up to Hitchens anyway.

>> ^bobknight33:
What a Foolish narrow minded fool. There is a GOD Just look around you are surrounded by HIS creations.


tell that to the people in Haiti...

>> ^bobknight33:
What a Foolish narrow minded fool. There is a GOD Just look around you are surrounded by HIS creations.


"Just look around" doesn't prove anything. Unless you're using science to "look around".

Also, why do religious people feel the need to insult (as we see here), or in extreme cases, actually kill those who disagree with them?

Hahahaha. Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder hahahahahaha.>> ^bobknight33:
What a Foolish narrow minded fool. There is a GOD Just look around you are surrounded by HIS creations.

Science can not prove the creation of the universe/man but you would rather believe this theory but not the Bible. Both are taken on faith. One takes the supposition that a meteor with some type of bacteria traveled through the radiated universe hit the earth and managed to live through the impact and evolved into what we see all around us today.

The other is believing that some great all knowing power made everything is 7 days.

Both take a boatload of faith.

One thing is for sure is that we all have had or know of some event that is not of this world. We all heard of some event like the sister living 3000 miles away and felt the presence of her just died sister in the room before she was told of the event. We all know that something IS out there, we just cant see it.

I don't understand why people say science requires faith, it completely discourages faith! Science needs proof, and even then it isn't convinced
>> ^bobknight33:
Science can not prove the creation of the universe/man but you would rather believe this theory but not the Bible. Both are taken on faith. One takes the supposition that a meteor with some type of bacteria traveled through the radiated universe hit the earth and managed to live through the impact and evolved into what we see all around us today.
The other is believing that some great all knowing power made everything is 7 days.
Both take a boatload of faith.
One thing is for sure is that we all have had or know of some event that is not of this world. We all heard of some event like the sister living 3000 miles away and felt the presence of her just died sister in the room before she was told of the event. We all know that something IS out there, we just cant see it.

^bobknight33:
Science can not prove the creation of the universe/man but you would rather believe this theory but not the Bible. Both are taken on faith.




Wrong.

The universe is OBSERVABLY 13.7B years deep, and is OBSERVABLY expanding uniformly, implicitly the known universe was all at one point 13.7B years ago. No faith required.

It is an OBSERVABLE fact that humans share >98% of their genes with the other primates, and that the genetic data agrees with the previous model of common decent, corroborating a well developed theory to such a high degree that suggesting that it is a mere coincidence would border on insanity. Again No faith required.

All we can observe about the bible is that it was written by semi-illiterates, and has been grossly modified for political reasons for the last few thousand years, and, of course, that all of its verifiable predictions and pronouncements are demonstrably false.

One thing is for sure is that we all have had or know of some event that is not of this world. We all heard of some event like the sister living 3000 miles away and felt the presence of her just died sister in the room before she was told of the event. We all know that something IS out there, we just cant see it.



Yes we have all heard about all sorts of superstitious garbage, Zeus, Apollo, Thor, Yahweh, FSM. As I'm sure you learned by the age of five, just because there is a story about something does not make it true.

We have looked for that "something", and it's conspicuously absent. The fact that people want their to be something, an employ selection bias to support it, can account for the entirety of the phenomenon, and with no more effect on reality than praying for a million dollars.

*talks

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Gee what are the odds that you would be thinking about your sister? It's a coincidence!

I don't see the logic in thinking that, because there are things that can't be explained (and your example can be explained... a LIKELY coincidence... nothign special about that story AT ALL), that means God exists.

I hope bobknight can stick around. It is interesting to have someone present to give the religious side of things. However I would say that bobknight should
a)don't be so predictable. We have all seen your reactionary first post here hundreds of times across countless "debates". The statement says nothing solid about anything other than that you yourself are overwhelmed by the world around you and interpret that into a religious feeling.
b)try to understand the topic your speaking on a little better. Scientific Theory is NOT the same thing as a theory referred to in everyday life, you cannot treat it as such and to do so only casts your own ideas in a poor light by those who know the difference.

Lastly don't lose your temper if you get frustrated here, flame wars accomplish nothing and only degenerate both sides. (This is not an accusation, just a statement)

>> ^bobknight33:
Science can not prove the creation of the universe/man but you would rather believe this theory but not the Bible. Both are taken on faith. One takes the supposition that a meteor with some type of bacteria traveled through the radiated universe hit the earth and managed to live through the impact and evolved into what we see all around us today.
The other is believing that some great all knowing power made everything is 7 days.
Both take a boatload of faith.
One thing is for sure is that we all have had or know of some event that is not of this world. We all heard of some event like the sister living 3000 miles away and felt the presence of her just died sister in the room before she was told of the event. We all know that something IS out there, we just cant see it.

First you say "There is a GOD Just look around you are surrounded by HIS creations." and then you say "We all know that something IS out there, we just cant see it." It only took you 2 comments to contradict yourself.


Science is the process with which we "see" what isn't so apparent to our limited senses and to understand our place in the universe and how we got here. We do this through experiment, data, hypotheses, and conclusions. How it differs from religion is that it's always progressing. As we learn more, we understand more. A faith-based world view is old, rigid and incongruent to what we know as possible, probable, and rational. If you believe the things that happened in the bible, then you don't have a firm grasp on reality and you're hiding from science and knowledge because it contests those things that we thought we knew thousands of years ago. I, for one, am glad I'm not reading the same texts of a man thousands of years ago as fact. It would be silly.

And what kind of statement is "There is a GOD Just look around you are surrounded by HIS creations" anyway? The argument isn't that there's things around us. The argument is whether it was created by a god. So just looking around doesn't do anything but make the inquisitive wonder and seek and make the laymen lazily "revel" in god's creation.

Let's say, for your sake of argument, that there is a being that created all that we experience. Let's say, too, that the being gives a damn about our journey. Why would he gift us with the ability to solve this puzzle of his creation, and not encourage us to use it? If we were created in its image, why then would it make us just to praise it from an ignorant standpoint and not from the understanding of its creation's intricacies and complexities? I'd say, if there were a god on a dimension we cannot comprehend, it'd appreciate the inquiring mind over the weak mind of one with blind-faith.

I'd like to shrink myself to a small size and ride the smooth parts of your brain like a water slide.

bobknight33 is like a tar baby. Be careful!

Nothing new here. It'll be nice when both the religious world and the atheist community have the courage to move away from guys (like Hitchins) who use selective mis-interpretation to make ridiculous arguements. These choads only like to pretend they represent the larger majority of sensible people. But the aforementioned majority wouldn't touch these kinds of bozos with a 10 meter cattle prod.

Josh? Josh, where are you?

"Atheist Community" .... fuck me.

See? Atheists are inherently promiscuous.

I love how all these British intellectuals give endless talks about how religious faith defies rational thought, who exactly are you trying to appeal to? what, if anything, in a religious man's understanding of life and the world he lives in stems from logic?

>> ^NinjaInHeat:
I love how all these British intellectuals give endless talks about how religious faith defies rational thought, who exactly are you trying to appeal to? what, if anything, in a religious man's understanding of life and the world he lives in stems from logic?

The ol' "like arguing with a wall" analogy. I agree. At the very least everybody ends up frustrated.

I've been trying to watch this since yesterday. I just get an error: "Technical difficulties have prevented this video from loading. Please reload the page to watch this." I get the same thing at the dailymotion site.

>> ^dgandhi:
^bobknight33:
Science can not prove the creation of the universe/man but you would rather believe this theory but not the Bible. Both are taken on faith.
Wrong.
The universe is OBSERVABLY 13.7B years deep, and is OBSERVABLY expanding uniformly,

WTF this is stupid, how do you not know the difference between accepted and proven and accepted and unprovable?

hey i'll be the first to admit that there's tons of ignorance out there. Given. But how is taking things out of context helping out? I'm talking about this thread and the vid.

Like @dgandhi said, the age of the universe and the time of the creation of the universe is observable. This is not disputed, it's not taken on faith, it is fact.

Therefore the "young earth hypothesis" proposed in the bible and believed by some people is demonstrably false.

It may be unprovable what happened before the universe came into existence as we know it, but after the initial big bang, we're pretty on the money, so to speak.

>> ^marinara:

>> ^dgandhi:
^bobknight33:
Science can not prove the creation of the universe/man but you would rather believe this theory but not the Bible. Both are taken on faith.
Wrong.
The universe is OBSERVABLY 13.7B years deep, and is OBSERVABLY expanding uniformly,
WTF this is stupid, how do you not know the difference between accepted and proven and accepted and unprovable?
hey i'll be the first to admit that there's tons of ignorance out there. Given. But how is taking things out of context helping out? I'm talking about this thread and the vid.

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