Better quality final bit: http://www.billmaher.com/

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Obama put a bomb through Khadafi's window? When did that happen?

wow, even the elite left are perfectly sure our government is telling the whole story with bin laden. maybe i'd believe the tale too if it wasn't for the this:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/
and the fake "confession":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhctMpvszqQ&feature=related

not saying bin laden didn't hate america, or take action against this country. and maybe he was the "mastermind"...the ultimate boogey man. but i'm not so sure things are so tidy. and i'm pretty sure that the image of bin laden has been well crafted in both life and death.
and where has saudi arabia been in the discussion (ever?)
why is it that we accept that bush lied to get us into Iraq but we can't equally consider that our government lied to get us into afghanistan (some of the richest mineral deposits in the world)?
Our government is in the business of perception management and largely communicates to its people through crafted propaganda.
something is rotten in denmark

"some Mexican's pit bull has eaten a baby"

Maher implies Mexicans are bad dog owners. Racist speech is banned here.
I nominate this video to be killed.

*discuss

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Huh. I am so sorry, I didn't even hear this.

Seems a bit harsh to ban the whole thing for one phrase. Can I put something in the title or the description to point out that this is offensive and sorry that Bill went there? Would that be sufficient?

[edit] I went back and listened to it again. I can do a shorter version of this and cut out that first "joke".

Do you want to have a conversation about this, or do I just do the edit?

[another edit] Oh. Your bio says "God bless you! I just downvoted your stuff!" This implies a certain.... uber sensitivity? compulsive douchebaggery? it's fun to destroy and troll-ery? Or am I reading too much into it?

I'll wait to see how this plays out....

Racism isn't tolerated in the comment section, there are no rules about it in videos.

His joke is in bad taste (and racist, sure), but have you seen some of the other comedy acts we have on here? This will not be killed.

If you don't like it, downvote. And comment about it, to expose the racism - don't kill the video. Censorship hurts everyone.

*return

Returning this video from Sift Talk - return requested by gwiz665.

Oh shit, I'm wrong. We evidently have rules about it:

§35.2 of http://videosift.com/faq-en.php
"Please do not post videos that make fun of other races.

Because of the high volume of world-wide traffic on VideoSift, it is very easy to unintentionally offend a good number of people with material like this. If you think a video is questionable, it is probably not going to pass our standards, and you are probably better of not submitting it."

That said, we have far more racist videos than this.

I'm going to *discuss this again, to get the general opinion on it. Sorry about jumping the gun on ya, marinara.

I vote that this should stay.

This video is being sent to Sift Talk for discussion - discuss requested by gwiz665.

Clearly the community doesn't have a problem with the satirical "racism" in this sift, hence the 40-ish votes. If you don't like it, down-vote it.

A bad throw away joke shouldn't cause a whole video to be killed. If it were a serious rant that would be one thing, but it was a joke and I don't think Bill Maher seriously thinks most Mexicans are poor canine owners.

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I may be insensitive - but I don't see how this is racism. If he referred to Norway or Belgium would we be having this discussion? "Mexican" is a nationaity - he may be being insensitive to their national culture, but this is not racism IMO.

Personally I think its ridiculous it was even called out. Get a hobby marinara.

Can we return this now so I can upvote it?

I would return it now, but under the circumstances I'll let someone else do it. Do it now!

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>> ^dag:

I may be insensitive - but I don't see how this is racism. If he referred to Norway or Belgium would we be having this discussion? "Mexican" is a nationaity - he may be being insensitive to their national culture, but this is not racism IMO.


Mexican is a race. It's a mixture of the indigenous native north/central Americans and Spanish, however not all Mexican's carry the Spanish blood. To be more general, Mexicans are Native Americans. This joke aimed at Mexicans is the same as saying native Americans are all drunks.

...that being said, Mexicans aren't as bad as blacks at dog ownership, and at least they don't eat dog like the Koreans.

jokes like onions, bitches...

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But your parents could have moved from Germany and birthed you in Mexico. Are you not then Mexican - at least by nationality? Am I not American if I'm born in the USA - regardless of my ethnicity?

>> ^rottenseed:

>> ^dag:
I may be insensitive - but I don't see how this is racism. If he referred to Norway or Belgium would we be having this discussion? "Mexican" is a nationaity - he may be being insensitive to their national culture, but this is not racism IMO.

Mexican is a race. It's a mixture of the indigenous native north/central Americans and Spanish, however not all Mexican's carry the Spanish blood. To be more general, Mexicans are Native Americans. This joke aimed at Mexicans is the same as saying native Americans are all drunks.
...that being said, Mexicans aren't as bad as blacks at dog ownership, and at least they don't eat dog like the Koreans.

One pride movement that is starting, quietly, is the idea of Mexican Pride. I have only seen this a couple of places, and I am cheering it on.

Unfortunately, in America, the very word "Mexican" carries with it the echo of the phrase "dirty Mexican" -- one of the reasons we use back away to be "nice" and say Hispanic/Latino/Latina, when someone is clearly Mexican.

"Nice" becomes really ugly, when the word Mexican should be a descriptive word and not pejorative just by itself.

There are some Mexicans out there who are sick of it, and are starting to reclaim their national identity.

I had never thought of it this way, until I heard this famous actor interviewed (do wish I could remember who it was -- Salma Hayek? Someone smart and beautiful, I remember that.)

I have been trying to use the word Mexican ever since, and have screwed up, because it turns out I can't tell Guatamalen from Brazilian, so I end up insulting folks anyway. But I'm trying.

Mexican. Mexican. Mexican.

Nope.>> ^dag:

But your parents could have moved from Germany and birthed you in Mexico. Are you not then Mexican - at least by nationality? Am I not American if I'm born in the USA - regardless of my ethnicity?
>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^dag:
I may be insensitive - but I don't see how this is racism. If he referred to Norway or Belgium would we be having this discussion? "Mexican" is a nationaity - he may be being insensitive to their national culture, but this is not racism IMO.

Mexican is a race. It's a mixture of the indigenous native north/central Americans and Spanish, however not all Mexican's carry the Spanish blood. To be more general, Mexicans are Native Americans. This joke aimed at Mexicans is the same as saying native Americans are all drunks.
...that being said, Mexicans aren't as bad as blacks at dog ownership, and at least they don't eat dog like the Koreans.

Some people don't like "hispanic" because, essentially, it is referring to the Spaniards conquering a people, then raping their culture and their women. "Latino" or "Latina" is strange to me too, because I don't know where the reference to Latin is coming from other than the language.

The reason why it's harder to classify people than it is to classify animals is because we're all the same species. You can't call people of indigenous South American tribes "brownies" any more than you can call Jews "big noses" because people from the Middle East are also brown, just like Italians also have big noses. And Indians would really throw everybody off because they've got big noses like the Jews, dark skin like the Mexicans and hairy chests like Russian women.

The fact of the matter is, if it hasn't been conquered by the Spaniards or the British empire, it's probably a shit place to be. The French tried, but who the hell wants to go to Vietnam?

And that's how you offend a lot of people at once...>> ^bareboards2:

One pride movement that is starting, quietly, is the idea of Mexican Pride. I have only seen this a couple of places, and I am cheering it on.
Unfortunately, in America, the very word "Mexican" carries with it the echo of the phrase "dirty Mexican" -- one of the reasons we use back away to be "nice" and say Hispanic/Latino/Latina, when someone is clearly Mexican.
"Nice" becomes really ugly, when the word Mexican should be a descriptive word and not pejorative just by itself.
There are some Mexicans out there who are sick of it, and are starting to reclaim their national identity.
I had never thought of it this way, until I heard this famous actor interviewed (do wish I could remember who it was -- Salma Hayek? Someone smart and beautiful, I remember that.)
I have been trying to use the word Mexican ever since, and have screwed up, because it turns out I can't tell Guatamalen from Brazilian, so I end up insulting folks anyway. But I'm trying.
Mexican. Mexican. Mexican.

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Part of the problem is often the face of Mexican nationality in the US isn't the successful educated Mexican's, its the day laborers. Hired as skilled labor, but largely unskilled and paid next to nothing, often below legal limits if they're undocumented. They tend to do a shit job, cutting corners and generally not caring about the quality of work they do and trying to communicate with them through the language barrier is frustrating as all get out. Of course this only happens because companies, and it seems people as a whole, prefer cheap labor over quality labor. They only exist because the market for that kind of labor is huge, so large I think its degraded the quality of labor overall. But people don't make that connection, they see bad work being done by low paid unskilled labor who happen to be Mexicans thus Mexicans are dirty and lazy. The real connection should be that builders and contractors are greedy shysters.

>> ^bareboards2:

One pride movement that is starting, quietly, is the idea of Mexican Pride. I have only seen this a couple of places, and I am cheering it on.
Unfortunately, in America, the very word "Mexican" carries with it the echo of the phrase "dirty Mexican" -- one of the reasons we use back away to be "nice" and say Hispanic/Latino/Latina, when someone is clearly Mexican.
"Nice" becomes really ugly, when the word Mexican should be a descriptive word and not pejorative just by itself.
There are some Mexicans out there who are sick of it, and are starting to reclaim their national identity.
I had never thought of it this way, until I heard this famous actor interviewed (do wish I could remember who it was -- Salma Hayek? Someone smart and beautiful, I remember that.)
I have been trying to use the word Mexican ever since, and have screwed up, because it turns out I can't tell Guatamalen from Brazilian, so I end up insulting folks anyway. But I'm trying.
Mexican. Mexican. Mexican.

Have you never heard of the Chicano Movement? Chicano or mexican pride has been around for decades. >> ^bareboards2:
One pride movement that is starting, quietly, is the idea of Mexican Pride. I have only seen this a couple of places, and I am cheering it on.
Unfortunately, in America, the very word "Mexican" carries with it the echo of the phrase "dirty Mexican" -- one of the reasons we use back away to be "nice" and say Hispanic/Latino/Latina, when someone is clearly Mexican.
"Nice" becomes really ugly, when the word Mexican should be a descriptive word and not pejorative just by itself.
There are some Mexicans out there who are sick of it, and are starting to reclaim their national identity.
I had never thought of it this way, until I heard this famous actor interviewed (do wish I could remember who it was -- Salma Hayek? Someone smart and beautiful, I remember that.)
I have been trying to use the word Mexican ever since, and have screwed up, because it turns out I can't tell Guatamalen from Brazilian, so I end up insulting folks anyway. But I'm trying.
Mexican. Mexican. Mexican.

Hey, I'm just quoting a Mexican. Who isn't Chicano, right? Google tells me Chicano is Mexican-American.

Notice, please, that it is a Chicano movement. Not Mexican-American movement. So even they backed away from the word Mexican.

This is specifically about reclaiming the word Mexican, according to this smart, talented Mexican woman.

I have been stewing over @Crosswords post since I read it hours ago. Something about it bugged me.

I think what it is -- why bring up the reasons why the word Mexican has a bad rap? We know all that stereotypical stuff. Why not go the other direction and start to replace this narrow response to the word with other images of dignity?

Frida Kahlo. Diego Rivera. Entertainers, sports figures. Politicians. Cesar Chavez. The Dog Whisperer Cesar Millan. The millions of Mexicans who work hard, often living under a pall of fear of deportation, taking care of our children and our homes. Dedicated to their families, sending money back home. Mexican nationals who have lived their whole lives in America, choosing to become soldiers and fight for what they consider to be their country even though a piece of paper says otherwise. Even construction workers who work hard for a days pay, hoping that they will have a job the next day and in fact do a great job.

We need to start reprogramming ourselves to hear a different image when we hear the word Mexican. That is what I heard that famous Mexican woman talking about.

Mexican. Mexican. Mexican.

>> ^longde:

Have you never heard of the Chicano Movement? Chicano or mexican pride has been around for decades. >> ^bareboards2:
One pride movement that is starting, quietly, is the idea of Mexican Pride. I have only seen this a couple of places, and I am cheering it on.
Unfortunately, in America, the very word "Mexican" carries with it the echo of the phrase "dirty Mexican" -- one of the reasons we use back away to be "nice" and say Hispanic/Latino/Latina, when someone is clearly Mexican.
"Nice" becomes really ugly, when the word Mexican should be a descriptive word and not pejorative just by itself.
There are some Mexicans out there who are sick of it, and are starting to reclaim their national identity.
I had never thought of it this way, until I heard this famous actor interviewed (do wish I could remember who it was -- Salma Hayek? Someone smart and beautiful, I remember that.)
I have been trying to use the word Mexican ever since, and have screwed up, because it turns out I can't tell Guatamalen from Brazilian, so I end up insulting folks anyway. But I'm trying.
Mexican. Mexican. Mexican.

Hyper-racialized societies are an insult to enlightenment thinkers. Treat people like humans and get over yourselves.

I see the distinction now. Sounds like a good idea. What do mexicans/mexican americans call themselves in spanish?




>> ^bareboards2:
Hey, I'm just quoting a Mexican. Who isn't Chicano, right? Google tells me Chicano is Mexican-American.
Notice, please, that it is a Chicano movement. Not Mexican-American movement. So even they backed away from the word Mexican.
This is specifically about reclaiming the word Mexican, according to this smart, talented Mexican woman.
I have been stewing over @<A rel="nofollow" class=profilelink title="member since November 18th, 2007" href="http://videosift.com/member/Crosswords">Crosswords post since I read it hours ago. Something about it bugged me.
I think what it is -- why bring up the reasons why the word Mexican has a bad rap? We know all that stereotypical stuff. Why not go the other direction and start to replace this narrow response to the word with other images of dignity?
Frida Kahlo. Diego Rivera. Entertainers, sports figures. Politicians. Cesar Chavez. The Dog Whisperer Cesar Millan. The millions of Mexicans who work hard, often living under a pall of fear of deportation, taking care of our children and our homes. Dedicated to their families, sending money back home. Mexican nationals who have lived their whole lives in America, choosing to become soldiers and fight for what they consider to be their country even though a piece of paper says otherwise. Even construction workers who work hard for a days pay, hoping that they will have a job the next day and in fact do a great job.
We need to start reprogramming ourselves to hear a different image when we hear the word Mexican. That is what I heard that famous Mexican woman talking about.
Mexican. Mexican. Mexican.
>> ^longde:
Have you never heard of the Chicano Movement? Chicano or mexican pride has been around for decades. >> ^bareboards2:
One pride movement that is starting, quietly, is the idea of Mexican Pride. I have only seen this a couple of places, and I am cheering it on.
Unfortunately, in America, the very word "Mexican" carries with it the echo of the phrase "dirty Mexican" -- one of the reasons we use back away to be "nice" and say Hispanic/Latino/Latina, when someone is clearly Mexican.
"Nice" becomes really ugly, when the word Mexican should be a descriptive word and not pejorative just by itself.
There are some Mexicans out there who are sick of it, and are starting to reclaim their national identity.
I had never thought of it this way, until I heard this famous actor interviewed (do wish I could remember who it was -- Salma Hayek? Someone smart and beautiful, I remember that.)
I have been trying to use the word Mexican ever since, and have screwed up, because it turns out I can't tell Guatamalen from Brazilian, so I end up insulting folks anyway. But I'm trying.
Mexican. Mexican. Mexican.

If we're talking about racism here, I have to give Bill mad props for this video. The fact that a man like Osama was even uttered in the same sentence with Geronimo is insulting. We're still waiting for that apology, but I'm glad its finally being discussed in the senate. They need to be held accountable, we're not just going to stand by as one of our greatest heroes is dragged through the mud. Once again, I applaud Maher for bringing attention to it.

Maher's statement isn't satire of racism. It's just plain racism.
Moral failure here.

I imagine that taping in Los Angeles; Maher had one or two hispanics in his audience. Maher obviously doesn't care if they come back (and his audience is more white).

I should thank Maher for putting a friendly face on racism. Now I can explain to children why people allowed racism to continue for so damn long.

Having lived in California, you DO see the news covering pit bull attacks (Cali has a long history of pitbull laws, so they show up in the news all the time).. in neighborhoods that do happen to have buildings that look JUST like that.. and the news reports DO tend to involve ethnic people (I would guess this is simply a victom of statistical circumstance).

THAT'S The joke.. that this picture from the middle east actually DOES resemble something you see on the local news, with the subject he mentions.

You could just as easily say he's framing pit bulls as killer animals. I'm sorry, but I think you're delibratly connecting a dot between a joke involving associating of an image to outright racism. Yes the joke lacked taste, but some jokes are more crude than others.

Let me put it this way - how do you know he doesn't feel that the news tends to focus on ethnic people in an attempt to demonize them? The over the top "Ate a baby" seems to suggest a humorous take on that idea. Now my theory that his joke was actually about news channels being biased towards ethnic stories is just as valid as your theory that the joke is deliberatly racist (though I don't think it was meant to point towards either direction.. it's just about the image shown vs what we see on the news).

IT'S THE CHICKEN COMMENT, GODAMNIT!!11!!

/please see this as satire
//please see this as satire

Storm in a teacup.

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Bill also called white people "crackers". RACISM!

This is silly. It was a joke. As Dennis Miller said:

"...it wouldn't hurt if everybody held their cards a little closer to their vest. Don't let 'em know they've rattled you if it hits close to home. You should be able to take that joke right in the solar plexus, get up, get that two-cycle weed-whacker engine of a brain humming, and give as good as you got. And if you get bested, go home, sharpen your verbal machete, and get ready for the next thicket...And most important, for chrissakes, laugh at it all. Because the only thing separating holy writ from complete bullshit is your perspective. It's your only weapon. Keep the safety off, don't take yourself too seriously, and remember that at the end of the day, this is just an ant farm with beepers, and it takes zero politically correct assholes to screw in a light bulb, because they are perpetually in the fucking dark."

>> ^dag:

But your parents could have moved from Germany and birthed you in Mexico. Are you not then Mexican - at least by nationality? Am I not American if I'm born in the USA - regardless of my ethnicity?
>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^dag:
I may be insensitive - but I don't see how this is racism. If he referred to Norway or Belgium would we be having this discussion? "Mexican" is a nationaity - he may be being insensitive to their national culture, but this is not racism IMO.

Mexican is a race. It's a mixture of the indigenous native north/central Americans and Spanish, however not all Mexican's carry the Spanish blood. To be more general, Mexicans are Native Americans. This joke aimed at Mexicans is the same as saying native Americans are all drunks.
...that being said, Mexicans aren't as bad as blacks at dog ownership, and at least they don't eat dog like the Koreans.



I think it depends on your parents permanent home address. If you happen to be born while your parents are vacationing in Mexico, you are whatever nationality your parents are. Right?

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Maybe. But then if your German parents settle permanently in Mexico you would be Mexican - but of German heritage. Ethnicity, race and national identity = very confusing and complex.

Is "Japanese" a race? There are indigenous Ainu people who got there before the main contingent of the Japanese population and Koreans who have lived in Japan for generations.

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:

>> ^dag:
But your parents could have moved from Germany and birthed you in Mexico. Are you not then Mexican - at least by nationality? Am I not American if I'm born in the USA - regardless of my ethnicity?
>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^dag:
I may be insensitive - but I don't see how this is racism. If he referred to Norway or Belgium would we be having this discussion? "Mexican" is a nationaity - he may be being insensitive to their national culture, but this is not racism IMO.

Mexican is a race. It's a mixture of the indigenous native north/central Americans and Spanish, however not all Mexican's carry the Spanish blood. To be more general, Mexicans are Native Americans. This joke aimed at Mexicans is the same as saying native Americans are all drunks.
...that being said, Mexicans aren't as bad as blacks at dog ownership, and at least they don't eat dog like the Koreans.


I think it depends on your parents permanent home address. If you happen to be born while your parents are vacationing in Mexico, you are whatever nationality your parents are. Right?

>> ^dag:

Maybe. But then if your German parents settle permanently in Mexico you would be Mexican - but of German heritage. Ethnicity, race and national identity = very confusing and complex.
Is "Japanese" a race? There are indigenous Ainu people who got there before the main contingent of the Japanese population and Koreans who have lived in Japan for generations.
>> ^Opus_Moderandi:
>> ^dag:
But your parents could have moved from Germany and birthed you in Mexico. Are you not then Mexican - at least by nationality? Am I not American if I'm born in the USA - regardless of my ethnicity?
>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^dag:
I may be insensitive - but I don't see how this is racism. If he referred to Norway or Belgium would we be having this discussion? "Mexican" is a nationaity - he may be being insensitive to their national culture, but this is not racism IMO.

Mexican is a race. It's a mixture of the indigenous native north/central Americans and Spanish, however not all Mexican's carry the Spanish blood. To be more general, Mexicans are Native Americans. This joke aimed at Mexicans is the same as saying native Americans are all drunks.
...that being said, Mexicans aren't as bad as blacks at dog ownership, and at least they don't eat dog like the Koreans.


I think it depends on your parents permanent home address. If you happen to be born while your parents are vacationing in Mexico, you are whatever nationality your parents are. Right?



Agreed, it is confusing. Although, I don't consider "Japanese" a "race". They would be Asian (as would Korean or Chinese people). Being Japanese just means someone from the island of Japan. I'm sure there are plenty of Caucasian people from Japan. I think that "race" consists of specific physical features or heritage instead of actual locality. Look at South Africans, most of whom are Caucasian with English (or European) heritage, if I'm not mistaken.

Therefore, @rottenseed : I believe Mexican is a nationality, not a race. The race would be Spanish.

I think if everyone just stays where they are we could get this all worked out in a few generations.

>> ^Crosswords:

Part of the problem is often the face of Mexican nationality in the US isn't the successful educated Mexican's, its the day laborers. Hired as skilled labor, but largely unskilled and paid next to nothing, often below legal limits if they're undocumented. They tend to do a shit job, cutting corners and generally not caring about the quality of work they do and trying to communicate with them through the language barrier is frustrating as all get out. Of course this only happens because companies, and it seems people as a whole, prefer cheap labor over quality labor. They only exist because the market for that kind of labor is huge, so large I think its degraded the quality of labor overall. But people don't make that connection, they see bad work being done by low paid unskilled labor who happen to be Mexicans thus Mexicans are dirty and lazy. The real connection should be that builders and contractors are greedy shysters.
>> ^bareboards2:
One pride movement that is starting, quietly, is the idea of Mexican Pride. I have only seen this a couple of places, and I am cheering it on.
Unfortunately, in America, the very word "Mexican" carries with it the echo of the phrase "dirty Mexican" -- one of the reasons we use back away to be "nice" and say Hispanic/Latino/Latina, when someone is clearly Mexican.
"Nice" becomes really ugly, when the word Mexican should be a descriptive word and not pejorative just by itself.
There are some Mexicans out there who are sick of it, and are starting to reclaim their national identity.
I had never thought of it this way, until I heard this famous actor interviewed (do wish I could remember who it was -- Salma Hayek? Someone smart and beautiful, I remember that.)
I have been trying to use the word Mexican ever since, and have screwed up, because it turns out I can't tell Guatamalen from Brazilian, so I end up insulting folks anyway. But I'm trying.
Mexican. Mexican. Mexican.



Maybe that was your experience with day laborers but, it is not representative of all day laborers or people of Mexican nationality (but, Spanish as far as their race). I have worked with and hired transitory day laborers and most of them do a better job and work just as hard (if not harder) than any permanent (usually unionized) worker.
And as for hiring them, they were paid well over the average wage of most American workers. They were paid beforehand and proceeded to work quickly and efficiently. The money they make in the U.S. is worth so much more in their country. THAT'S why they're willing to work for lower wages than most Americans. I currently work with a guy that said the money he makes in 2 hours at his job here in the U.S. would last a week in El Salvador.
The market wouldn't exist if people were unhappy with the end product. So, to say that their work doesn't meet quality standards doesn't make much sense. If they were producing inferior products nobody would be hiring them.

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:
Therefore, rottenseed : I believe Mexican is a nationality, not a race. The race would be Spanish.

Spanish is a nationality. It's pretty easy, really... any descriptor whose base is the name of a nation (Canadian, Iraqi, Mexican, Japanese) is a nationality. American, oddly, is considered a nationality even though America isn't a nation. United Statish probably just sounds too goofy.

Spain's indigenous population is Caucasoid and a whole lot of Mexicans are as well. I've seen the native peoples of Mexico labeled as everything from Australoid to Mongoloid; I'm not sure there's any agreed-upon racial classification there. Of course many of them are also a mix; Mestizo or Zambo.

I thought, at the end of the day, that "race" is a made-up (meaning no scientific basis) social classifier, that differed by society. So alot of this discussion about who is a race seems pointless.

Japan is an example of both an ethnic group and a nationality. In addition, if you are japanese, you would also consider yourself a separate race from other groups.

http://www.pbs.org/race/001_WhatIsRace/001_00-home.htm

[edit] Looks like you are correct. Good on you.

>> ^longde:

I thought, at the end of the day, that "race" is a made-up (meaning no scientific basis) social classifier, that differed by society. So alot of this discussion about who is a race seems pointless.
Japan is an example of both an ethnic group and a nationality. In addition, if you are japanese, you would also consider yourself a separate race from other groups.

@xxovercastxx and @longde - Bravo!